Fish oil question
- 09-28-2010, 08:09 PM
Fish oil question
I am currently taking Udo's 3,6,9 blend throughout the day if you don't know what that is refer to http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend_en.htm would supplementing fish oil pills be necessary or beneficial to my diet even though im already getting loads of omegas. I also take CLA and Seasmin pills 2-3 times a day.
- 09-28-2010, 08:32 PM
It depends on what your current ratio is for omega i try to achieve a 4:1 Omega 3 to omega 6 ratio if you cant meet your needs for omega 3 then you should supplement with it but the reccomended amount of fish per week runs anywhere from 2 servings of 4-6 ounces or 12 ounces now obviously there could be some more benefits to dosing higher but youd like to get most of it from actual fish i read somewhere the omega in fish 90% is abosrbed while fish oil caps only 50%.
- 10-14-2010, 01:44 PM
Like jumpshot has mentioned, it depends upon your diet. If you are already eating a good amount of chicken, eggs, nuts, whole grains, vegetables, etc., then I think you would be getting too many Omega 6s by taking Udos Oil. You need to have a balance since Omega 3s have an anti-inflammatory benefit, while Omega 6s have a pro-inflammatory reaction.
Your body will not convert ALA (the Omega 3 in Udos Oil), into the amount of EPA and especially DHA levels that you get automatically from fish oils.
Many of the benefits from research on Brain, heart, lung health, etc can be attributed to DHA and to a lesser degree EPA. There is research on DHA and the role it may play on bone density.
So it depends upon your diet and the benefits that you're seeking, but I would suggest adding in some fish oil and cutting back on the Udos, unless you're eating salmon,sardines, mackerel, etc. 3-5 times a week. Sesamin also contains Omega 6s!
P.S. I would probable avoid these brands of fish oil: Nature Made, GNC, Now Foods, Omega Protein’s Omegapure, Solgar and Twinlab .
They were found to have high PCB levels when compared to other fish oils.PCB’s are pollutants found in the environment that can lead to toxicity, when ingested in high amounts. Common symptoms are skin sores, eye sores and lowered immune response. In addition, children may experience poor cognitive development.
10-17-2010, 02:09 PM
10-18-2010, 09:32 PM
Oximega might be a decent choice as well. I've only seen a Lab analysis from the Board Sponsor rep on PCBs, so I can't confirm heavy metal contamination, such as mercury.
As far as fish oil goes, I would only by high quality fish oil, where steps are taken to prevent oxidation. Once the fish oil is rancid, you might as well throw it out. Make sure you refrigerate it also.
10-19-2010, 02:11 AM
The pay on fish oil goes a long way. Nordic naturals is a good one. Udos i love on that same product that he takes, its packed full of omegas! and i am huge on that stuff.. kinda expensive but i can find it alot on sale and get a tone of it. The taste though...... yuk! lol. I cant help but make a face everytime i take it lol
10-19-2010, 08:29 AM
I take Carlson Labs fish oil and its lemon flavored. I take it straight and it has no fishy after taste. Top notch product in my book and very well recognized in the health industry for quality. I would never skimp on my fish oil for a lesser quality.
10-19-2010, 10:38 AM
I would look at Animal Omega. It doesn't have omega 9 in it but the human body is capable of producing enough omega 9 - at least that's what I have read. It is also convenient to just grab your pak and take it with you to work or whatever and have it with your lunch.
10-19-2010, 02:16 PM
10-20-2010, 02:23 PM
10-20-2010, 06:53 PM
10-21-2010, 04:32 AM
10-21-2010, 01:11 PM
10-22-2010, 12:09 AM
There is nothing wrong with Costco brand. Any "feeling" is in your head. Fish oil isn't something you feel, I don't care what you say. Another good brand is Carlson's, available in liquid for from amazon for about 23 bucks.
10-22-2010, 12:29 AM
I might not be the smartest person in the world but for about 7 months i've been taking 10g+ a day of fish oil, not really caring what brand it is.
10-22-2010, 12:34 AM
10-22-2010, 01:45 AM
If you're comparing different levels of EPA/DHA per capsule, then yes there is a difference. But if you're saying that your expensive brand with x amount of EPA/DHA is any better than Costco brand with the same amount EPA/DHA (the do make double and triple strength ya know), then like I said before, its all in your head. Placebo effect is real and some people believe that more expensive means better quality. That can be true, but in the case of fish oil, Costco is just as good as the more costly brands.
You honestly have no idea what you're talking about so don't try to explain the MOA of fish oil. You know it helps, so stick to knowing that. You couldn't explain why without a lengthy google search. If you haven't used the Costco brand exactly (which its pretty clear you haven't), don't comment on it.
10-22-2010, 06:37 PM
Here is a quote form an expert in the Omega 3 industry-
According to Dr. Moerck:
"[A]ll the reputable fish oil companies, the big boys in the industry… refine the fish oil and remove as many of the metals as they can.
When you buy fish oils always pay the highest possible price. Usually a price in this case is a good indicator of quality. A very cheap fish oil is not okay," Dr. Moerck warns.
"Don't ever buy it in the clear plastic bottle, or giant bottles like you see at some of these mall-type stores... because the light goes right through them. It's UV damaged. It's rancid. Also, if you have a big bottle of it, you better keep it in a refrigerator because it's going to go rancid.
… I believe very strongly that you do have some excellent fish oil being made. But it's very expensive. If you're going to buy that, you should buy it from a distributor that will ship it to you directly. You don't want to buy it off the grocery shelf because you don't know how long it's been there...
… As far as the fish oils we've seen out there, it's a very wide gamut of quality and stability and rancidity. I would say [25 to] 50 percent of them are rancid."
This is important to realize, because taking a cheap poor quality rancid fish oil will surely do you more harm than good.
"I think that there is some mislabeling going on," Moerck says, "[in] that the expiration date put on there is arbitrary and that the actual shelf life is less. I would bet my reputation on that that is the case – that there is fish oil that is mislabeled as far as expiration date.
We have tested these and we have found a very wide range of rancidity even in the same brand."
Now, keep in mind that any company can say their fish oil is USP or Pharmaceutical grade on their fish oil label, because there are no defined standards for using this term.
The fish oil should be bottled or encapsulated at the fish oil processing plant, and should have a nitrogen flush or nitrogen purge added (in the case of encapsulation).
Nordic Naturals and Carlson Labs both do this and get their fish oil from the artic (specifically Norway) and analytical testing has shown this fish oil to be superior in quality (lowest levels of PCBs and heavy metals) to virtually all fish oil.
I've worked for several natural dietary supplement companies in the past (neither of which were Carlson Labs or Nordic Naturals) and virtually everyone that I spoke with in the industry prefers to get their fish oil from those 2 companies. If you attend any Natural Product show, you'll notice a great deal of employees from other companies doing whatever they can to get samples from Carlson Labs and/or Nordic Naturals.
10-22-2010, 06:55 PM
This article/video transcription that you posted comes from an interview done by Dr. Mercola, who has a vested interest in selling Krill Oil supplements as shown on his site. Take it with a grain of salt.
10-22-2010, 08:07 PM
If you follow Dr. Mercola, you'll also know that he has also specifiably praised Carlson Labs fish oil, even though he does not sell it himself.
10-22-2010, 09:06 PM
Please disprove my "MOA" on the clinical research of the consumption of fish based n-3 PUFA, human in vivo 22:6(n-3) plasma levels vs consumption of plant based 18:3(n-3) human in vivo 22:6 (n-3) conversion plasma levels.
Are you telling me that human in vivo 22:6(n-3) conversion plasma levels are superior to those of the preformed constituents of oily, cold water fish? I would love to read your new thesis on these exciting changes in the evolution of human biochemisty.
I have worked in manufacturing and research and development jobs in the dietary supplement industry and I have worked with purchasing and various analytical labs, so I am talking from first hand, industry insider experience.
A statement that the quality of fish oil one buys from Costco vs any other "expensive brand" is the same, is simply an ignorant statement. I guess then the greedy prop 65 lawyers would be out of a job. Maybe you should conduct "a lengthy google search" before you make an ignorant statement.
Here is one such example of your misnomer-
I would love to have a debate with you,over the phone, where I can't just simply give you " a lengthy google search response", lol. Just PM me.
10-23-2010, 12:29 AM
There is plenty of research that supports what im saying. Like i said before i dont feel like getting into it. I have done my research. Im convinced. Anything that is in huge quantities and for 2 bucks, exhadurated i know, you can trust that all you want.
If i recommend a higher quality fishoil because it needs to be kept in cold and is in a dark bottle and is in liquid form, from a trusted company, and/or even from a company owner that has chrones himself. then i think im going to trust them a little more than some walmart brand. Sorry dude justify it all you want. But please please please please dont tell somone its all in there head. Which would make no sense. Especially sense he has been suffering from the sh!t for a while and nothing was working, then he tries something and seems to work, and you tell me its all placebo. You tell me not to comment on something that i have no idea about, which i do, well obviously your making the same mistake.
10-23-2010, 12:32 AM
10-23-2010, 12:44 AM
I get the fish oil at walmart..
You do not need to pay a lot for a more purified fish oil.
Most fish oils, no matter the price come with the same amount of actives...
I pay 6$ for 200g of fish oil and I would not pay more for a "higher quality" fish oil..
10-23-2010, 12:53 AM
10-23-2010, 01:17 AM
10-23-2010, 01:45 AM
You can buy cheap or expensive product. More than likely you are paying for quality when you pay more, hence why you should try to find the product that would normally be more on sale. Maybe, you could find that more expensive product for the same price as the cheap "walmart or costco" price. Which is what I do. Since i refuse to pay 40 bucks for a something like fishoil.
But with health in concern, I would recommend a stronger fishoil product. Of coarse this opinionated hondaman, but to me seems logical. Concidering all aspects of the fishoil benefits, at High concentrations, brings a big list to the table. If you want the list ill make one later, ha (Which sounds like a good idea for a sticky!). Some research even says that at high concentrations can be decently anabolic, and anti-catabolic (of coarse since its anabolic, :P). So with it being anti-catabolic, this would be recommended at the end of a cycle even, of coarse at high concentrations. With antiinflammation atributes, recovery is faster, lubricated joints, lower cholesterol, stronger tendons, etc. Also remember inflammation can include, silent inflammation, cancer, ulcers, migranes, heart attacks, arthritis, etc. Also fishoil can fight free radicals.
So with all of these things to consider and more why wouldnt you go for something with already higher concentrations and quality assurence. Like i said before you could go with the cheaper stuff, but, some of the cheaper stuff normally has fillers, Ex: olive oil, burnt fishoil (exposed fishoil), minerals(like high amounts of mercury)... With the product i mentioned above i have noticed is the best and cheapest product. I normally buy about 10 of them and have about 8g's of fishoil daily, now with me i have a high inflammation risk. so is why i take so much..... Plus im out in the sun alot so i take more of it, considering some vitamins in the product. For you i would recommend at least 2gs or even 4gs. If you have high inflammation then i would consider more maybe and you should feel some of your side effects subside. Promise you will. If not tell me and i will hush up about it. Just do some research on inflammation and get examples of what it is. If you need help lemme know.
So WALMART brand or Pay little bit more? Your decision!
10-23-2010, 02:21 AM
10-23-2010, 04:23 AM
I apologize for going overboard and making comments in a demeaning way toward your credentials. It was unprofessional and again, I apologize.
To the point that any fish oil is the same, as long as it has the same amount of DHA or EPA or both in terms of efficacy, that has some validity under the following circumstances: As long as the fish oil hasn't been over-exposed to UV light, heat, oxygen , etc. (the longer a bottle sits on the shelf and the longer you take to finish a large bottle of capsules, the greater the risk of it being rancid), and there aren't substantial detectable levels of PCBs, heavy metals, other metals and other contaminants, which may also have an affect on the efficacy of the active constituents.
Bottom line- Refrigerate your fish oil as soon as you purchase it! Look for fish oil in glass bottles, if possible, choose bottles that are less likely to let damaging florescent or UV light in, buy from a store that refrigerates the product and choose your fish oil from reputable supplier, who is known for having low to non-detectable contaminants.
10-23-2010, 05:31 PM
The company that supplies costco and sam's club brand fish oil is Ocean Nutrition Canada. They seem to be one of the top rated companies along with nordic naturals and carlson's. http://www.meg-3.com/aboutmeg3/highe...ity_and_safety
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