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so i have been looking into this diet (the paleo diet) it is the diet of our ancestors mostly lean meats wild game nuts and berrys and i wanted to see if anyone had any thoughts or experience with it.
Have you read the Paleo for Athletes book?oh dude if you think paleo is impossible/not good you havent done anyyyyy research. ive been eating paleo for 3 months now and ive never felt better/been in better shape. Becoming a cult follower? where did you see that? its all about giving your body the food its built to digest instead of inflammatory foods that cause all sorts of problems over time. this body isnt designed to eat microwaveable crap and sit on your a$$ all day. its all about eating intelligently rather than stuffing yourself with oats and other bodybuilding $hit and doing diverse exercise so you can actually use your muscles for something other than lifting and have a good range of motion in your limbs. you call it hippie bull#### fine, i call what everyone else is doing modern nonsense.
its not that crazy of a diet, you just eliminate grains, sugars and dairy. grains have no nutritional value besides spiking your blood sugar and are packed with anti-nutrients. theres no quality dairy, its all pasteurized steroided crap. sugars i dont think i need to explain.
if you look around there is tons of anthropological evidence that the paleolithic human, which is us, is built to eat this diet. ever since ive switched over; ive lost my seasonal allergies, test has gone way up, recovery is much faster, im super lean (no more than 6% bf), i dont burn in the sun anymore or need sunblock, sleep better/wake up fresher, go to sleep easier, have tons more energy (power through 3 mma/bjj sessions a day sometimes and still have energy), dont feel any bloat/constipation/runs/farts/anything. my body simply functions better and anytime i eat grains i feel like such sh#t that it reminds me why this diet is so good for me.
all my carbs come from fruits and vegetables. most fruit have plenty of glucose to restore muscle glycogen and fructose to replenish liver glycogen. beef/eggs/fish have the same exact insulin response without the spike in blood sugar that starchy carbs provide. there is simply no evidence of any purpose in eating any carbs besides fruit and vegetables.
haha as a matter of fact i have. i really like the part where he talks about that reporter whos been living with tribes on and off for 20 years. some tribes would chase/hunt for 20-30 miles and rest the next day and some would hunt with low intensity every day.Have you read the Paleo for Athletes book?
Weight training and MMA both rely heavily on glyogen/carbs. Anything of high-intensity drains the glycogen reserves, but, contrary to popular belief, they won't deplete them. However, recovery is a different beast as it is an ongoing process (I won't start to talk about EPOC's effect as it will take a mini-dissertation to really explain how much it alters recovery/substrate).haha as a matter of fact i have. i really like the part where he talks about that reporter whos been living with tribes on and off for 20 years. some tribes would chase/hunt for 20-30 miles and rest the next day and some would hunt with low intensity every day.
i feel like the book justifies using processed carbs/grains for a very competitive endurance athlete. it justifies using those carbs/sugars to reup the muscle glycogen for the next session. didnt the research done about replenishing glycogen conclude that it would take up to 300-500 grams to replenish completely? i feel like only endurance athletes fully deplete their glycogen. much of our weight training/mma/bjj gets fueled with fat oxidation along with glycogen? i put a question mark because you would know better than i would.
using myself as an example. i dont feel depleted at all using only fruit and vegetables. sunday i lifted, last night i did heavy high rep squats, today im going to muay thai for 2 hours (cant roll = new tattoo), tomorow im playing flag football for 2 hours, thursday whatever next etc. i never really feel tired from last nights workout, performance doesnt suffer. post workout with protein i eat fruit with a 50/50 fructose to glucose ratio and it really seems to be doing the job. i feel so much better and leaner too.
theres no quality dairy, its all pasteurized steroided crap..
Still has lactose, though. That's the main problem.Unpasteurized, natural goat milk FTW :bigok:
Closest thing to mothers milk..
Expensive as hell to order it, but worthwhile I think. Might add this as well to the diet. Goat milk, goat cheese, greek yogurt, are all pretty good additions to make this diet a bit better for bodybuilders.
well i compete in grappling tournaments but since ive been doing a lot of standup recently i might also do an amateur mma fight later on down the road.Weight training and MMA both rely heavily on glyogen/carbs. Anything of high-intensity drains the glycogen reserves, but, contrary to popular belief, they won't deplete them. However, recovery is a different beast as it is an ongoing process (I won't start to talk about EPOC's effect as it will take a mini-dissertation to really explain how much it alters recovery/substrate).
Are you a hobbyist trainer or a competitive trainer?
The GPP is actually the biggest drain on energy levels, IMO. At this point, I highly recommend some sort of complex carbs in conjunction with fruits. When I was training seriously for competing and staying in-shape year-round, 2-a-days 4-5x/week are the norm. There's no way to train for 3-5, 5-minute rounds without a good chunk of carbs centered around post-training.well i compete in grappling tournaments but since ive been doing a lot of standup recently i might also do an amateur mma fight later on down the road.
well whats the complex carb with the least amt of damage? im guessing potato/sweet potato would be the only paleo semi-approved? i just really dont wanna do grains or go back to dextrose/corn starch. i tried making some sweet potatoes before and i wasnt impressed.The GPP is actually the biggest drain on energy levels, IMO. At this point, I highly recommend some sort of complex carbs in conjunction with fruits. When I was training seriously for competing and staying in-shape year-round, 2-a-days 4-5x/week are the norm. There's no way to train for 3-5, 5-minute rounds without a good chunk of carbs centered around post-training.
I use organic Basmati or Jasmine rice and red potatoes. Potatoes are alkalinic and the PRAL of those rices is very low (~1.5 per 100 dry grams).well whats the complex carb with the least amt of damage? im guessing potato/sweet potato would be the only paleo semi-approved? i just really dont wanna do grains or go back to dextrose/corn starch. i tried making some sweet potatoes before and i wasnt impressed.
how do you make red potatoes? i dont like to use the oven for anything, it takes forever. i get home so late from work/training. maybe i can fry them real quick after practice. is that when you make them or do you bring already made carbs with you to training?I use organic Basmati or Jasmine rice and red potatoes. Potatoes are alkalinic and the PRAL of those rices is very low (~1.5 per 100 dry grams).
Dude boil em for a couple of minutes, take em out, cut em up and fry them in a pan. Add some black and red pepper, garlic, maybe some onions powder or fresh chopped onions to the sautee. If you cook em right, they won't get soggy and will keep in containers fairly long.how do you make red potatoes? i dont like to use the oven for anything, it takes forever. i get home so late from work/training. maybe i can fry them real quick after practice. is that when you make them or do you bring already made carbs with you to training?
I boil them and mash them with coconut milk, garlic, salt, pepper, and Italian seasonings.how do you make red potatoes? i dont like to use the oven for anything, it takes forever. i get home so late from work/training. maybe i can fry them real quick after practice. is that when you make them or do you bring already made carbs with you to training?
Not a big prob. I used to think I was lactose intolerant, but goat cheese and goats milk don't bother me at all. Plus you can still take lactase with them to be safe, not a big prob if people normally take enzymes with their meals, as I do with each one of mine. It's a much tastier and healthier way to get casein into the diet imo, than other methods. It's nothing to do with the Paleo diet, just something I plan on adding into a modified paleo diet during an upcoming bulk along with Greek yogurt.Still has lactose, though. That's the main problem.
You can eat fats, its basically saying NO grains or dairy...Why the need for only lean meat though on this diet? If carbs are kept low enough, fat is your friend, especially for the extra calories needed.
There isn't a need for lean meats. In fact, chicken thighs, ground sirloin, and whole eggs are my main sources of protein on this diet.Why the need for only lean meat though on this diet? If carbs are kept low enough, fat is your friend, especially for the extra calories needed.
oooh yeah ground steak, ive been getting grass fed ground chuck at whole foods for 6.99, awesome deal. you ever mess around with wild caught canned salmon?There isn't a need for lean meats. In fact, chicken thighs, ground sirloin, and whole eggs are my main sources of protein on this diet.
Not a big fan of canned salmon. I prefer to get a big ass filet and blacken it.oooh yeah ground steak, ive been getting grass fed ground chuck at whole foods for 6.99, awesome deal. you ever mess around with wild caught canned salmon?
oh yeah fresh tastes way better but fresh wild caught is at least $15 or more a pound around here. for cans i can pay 2.5 for a half pound and like $5 for 17.5ozNot a big fan of canned salmon. I prefer to get a big ass filet and blacken it.
Damn, it's only around $9/lb here.oh yeah fresh tastes way better but fresh wild caught is at least $15 or more a pound around here. for cans i can pay 2.5 for a half pound and like $5 for 17.5oz
Yeah that's what I was thinking. I just kept reading about paleo people recommending mostly game meat and lean meat. I was figuring it was more of an optional thing by people who want to eat more traditionally.There isn't a need for lean meats. In fact, chicken thighs, ground sirloin, and whole eggs are my main sources of protein on this diet.
if you can get grass fed beef then a fatty cut is good. some paleo ppl reccomend game or lean because of all the problems with grain raised beef. also dont forget about wild caught salmon, either fresh or canned.Yeah that's what I was thinking. I just kept reading about paleo people recommending mostly game meat and lean meat. I was figuring it was more of an optional thing by people who want to eat more traditionally.
In ketosis, you need the extra fat though, especially when trying to gain. I've stocked up on ground beef, beef cuts of all sorts, chicken and whole eggs, but I'm still eating bacon and such.
check this out:FYI Most cattle is fed corn nowadays, the combination of the corn diet along with overcrowding had caused outbreaks of ecol i bacteria on the meat. With a few ammonia baths however, the meat is deemed safe.
Go Grass Fed!
Anton, why not go farmed salmon? It's got a much higher fat content, it's cheaper, and is lower in pollutants like mercury.
check this out:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-me-salmon9dec09,0,2475812.story
once again it goes back to omega 3 to omega 6 ratio. salmon contains omega 3 because of what they eat in the wild, the farm raised has significantly less omega 3 and more 6. farmed raised also has dioxins, PCBs, fire retardants, pesticides, antibiotics, copper sulfate (anti-algae) and canthaxanthin (a dye associated with retinal damage used to make gray farmed fish various shades of “wild” pink).
the cans arent that bad, only $2.50 for small or $5 for large. ill take the mercury over all that other crap farms put in the feed/nets.
FYI Most cattle is fed corn nowadays, the combination of the corn diet along with overcrowding had caused outbreaks of ecol i bacteria on the meat. With a few ammonia baths however, the meat is deemed safe.
Go Grass Fed!
Anton, why not go farmed salmon? It's got a much higher fat content, it's cheaper, and is lower in pollutants like mercury.
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