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  2. Saving to watch after work, but initial impression, wow, didn't know Thomas Edison was so diet savvy.
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  3. DJ you should check out my vid on sugar which focuses on HFCS. Disturbing to say the least.

  4. Okay sounds good.

  5. sorry, not trying to be disrespectful but I'm not the type to watch an hr video.
    Can someone please summarize it, thanks, if not oh well.
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  6. also check out the gerson therapy the man was a genius, caring diabetes and cancer in patients back to the 1950s by altering the diet, more info at gerson.org

  7. omg this is scary!!

    He says you only need about 40g protein a DAY.

    More than that and you're damaging your liver and washing way calcium.

    :'( Who do I trust??

  8. Its basically vegetarian propaganda with a chunkload of facts.


    Even though a lot of stuff he says is true...i'm scared when he talks about ALL animal meats, he says beef, chicken, fish, lamb, turkey and all meats are terrible for your body and should be avoided at all costs.

    He does present valid arguments but ... i'm still skeptical, I would like to see our fellow dietitians from the forum to clarify this a bit more.

  9. Well now that we know Which amino Acid is key to growth (leucine) do we really need to get leucine from meat. I get it in soy shakes, nuts and amaranth quinoa . I want to be big but don't want to crock over too lol. If I had to pick my posion I'd rather live long vs live big and die.

  10. I think per serving is what he is talking about. Iv seen the studies done on 40 grams vs 90 grams and 40 was just as good as 90 grams plus it's the leucine that triggers mps.

    Quote Originally Posted by FilipeBR View Post
    omg this is scary!!

    He says you only need about 40g protein a DAY.

    More than that and you're damaging your liver and washing way calcium.

    :'( Who do I trust??

  11. Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    I think per serving is what he is talking about. Iv seen the studies done on 40 grams vs 90 grams and 40 was just as good as 90 grams plus it's the leucine that triggers mps.
    No no, go to 21:30...he talks about 30g protein a day actually.

  12. people from Crete live longer than anyone. I guess we should consider eating like them as a blueprint.

  13. Too long, watched for a few minutes and he already seems like a quack. It also looks to be quite an old video. Recently I have read alot of things that blame grains as the cause for many of our modern diseases. I believe we were made to eat meat, and lots of it. Along with whatever we could forage, fruits, veggies, nuts etc. Basically a Paleo diet.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by rckvl7 View Post
    Too long, watched for a few minutes and he already seems like a quack. It also looks to be quite an old video. Recently I have read alot of things that blame grains as the cause for many of our modern diseases. I believe we were made to eat meat, and lots of it. Along with whatever we could forage, fruits, veggies, nuts etc. Basically a Paleo diet.
    Basically what he did was compare a lion(carnivore) to a horse (herbivore) and a human (which he claims to be 100% made to be a herbivore)

    He shows how the intestine length in a horse is compared to the size of a human, and how the lion's is MUCH bigger.


    Also the acidity in a human's stomach compared to a lion is much less.

    He said that lion's fangs are made to bite on meat, ours just isnt, and how our teeth structure is also like a horse's ...


    Well summing it all up, he used numerous charts and comparisons to prove that people who eat meat are unhealthy and those who eat grains, fruits and leaves alone are much healthier.


    My conclusion is...even though he is right on a certain degree...Americans DO CONSUME A LOT of meat, which is terrible because of Sat Fats.

    BUT at the same time, I don't feel why I should stop eating lean cuts of beef, chicken and fish.

    He talks about diseases in meats but uh....there are MANY diseases that come from grains and greens as well...so...

  15. nice find.

  16. Think about it. We know Leucine is the key here for muscle growth so why eat meat.


    Food proteins are broken down by the human body into their building blocks, amino acids. The amino acids are then used to build new proteins. Proteins consist of 28 amino acids. We manufacture 19 amino acids in our livers. Nine essential amino acids must be obtained from the foods we eat. Many people believe that animal and plant proteins are exactly the same. That is not true. One of those "essential" amino acids is methionine. One needs methionine for many human metabolic functions including digestion, detoxification of heavy metals, and muscle metabolism. However, an excess of methionine can be toxic and create that acid condition in your blood. The center atom of methionine is sulfur. That's the problem. Eat foods containing too much methionine, and your blood will become acidic. The sulfur converts to sulfates and weak forms of sulfuric acid. In order to neutralize the acid, in its wisdom, the body leaches calcium from bones.

    "Dietary protein increases production of acid in the blood which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized from the skeleton." {American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995;
    61,4}

    Animal proteins contain more methionine than plant proteins.
    Let's compare cow's milk to soymilk:

    Methionine in 100 grams of soymilk: .040 grams
    Methionine in 100 grams of whole milk: .083 grams
    Methionine in 100 grams of skim milk: .099 grams

    Now, let's compare 100 gram portions of tofu to meat:
    (All of the meat products are lean and without skin)

    Silken soft tofu: .074 grams of methionine
    Hamburger: .382 grams of methionine
    Hard boiled egg: .392 grams of methionine
    Roast ham: .635 grams of methionine
    Baked codfish: .779 grams of methionine
    Swiss cheese .784 grams of methionine
    Roast chicken: .901 grams of methionine

    Why do nations with the highest rates of bone disease also have the highest milk consumption rates? The highest rates of osteoporosis are to be found in America, Denmark, Holland, Norway, and Sweden.

    That would be another reason why not to consume animal products even in small dosages.

    So if the key to recap is good fats and leucine for growth with vitamins and minerals why not. If scientifically we figured it out what is stopping us?

  17. Sorry, but a big and strong vegan is a rare creature. Also there is not enough research to say a high protein diet will cause bone loss. In fact some studies indicate that high protein and high calcium intake is optimal for bone growth, and that insufficient amounts of either protein or calcium will result in bone loss.

  18. Possibly combining the two but protein alone is not sufficnt enough.

  19. you guys have to remember that you can get protein from other sources than just meat, egg protein is one of the best types to take

  20. This is going no where because everyone knows you can break apart and find something wrong with anything... but if u are even considering not eating meat then you shouldn't be on this site!!!! Does anyone agree? The key in eliminating risk is moderation just like everything else... but i don't see anyone getting huge by eating greens only its just ludacris! Does anyone know why there is a multitude of animals on this earth? To eat!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FilipeBR View Post
    My conclusion is...even though he is right on a certain degree...Americans DO CONSUME A LOT of meat, which is terrible because of Sat Fats.
    wrong, because without saturated fats you'd have no sex hormone production.

    Again as with so many other things, the systems involved are so complex that anyone who tries to do a "Eureka I have the answer for everyone on the planet" is just full of crap.

    Man is an omnivore, we are adapted to a diet that includes meats, before the dawn of the use of fire to cook foods it would have been basically impossible to get complete protein from a vegetarian diet.
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  22. Dang, this video is OLD. I'm sure some of the information is accurate, but once they said to not eat animal fats.... Yeah, I like steak a lot. Enough not to care if it gives me steak cancer in 50 years.

    I'm all about bodybuilding for a better physique rather than bodybuilding for sheer health benefits. I do eat healthy, but I'm not going to sacrifice foods I love to eat when I'm not even doing competitions. If you enjoy eating certain foods, why not enjoy them? Just maybe not as much as the next guy/girl...

    In my experiences, you can stay in good shape and lean even if you're eating the "good foods." Sometimes you may get a little smoothed out, but it's nothing that can't be fixed in a short amount of time if you really care that much. I mean, I wouldn't recommend eating ribeyes for every meal, but a life without animal fats can go F itself.

  23. fat is very important to a mans health.about 1 year ago i was playing around with my diet i droped my fat intake to 10%. after 2 weeks i knew it was not right i feel bad.went back up to 20% things came back to normal.

  24. Man didn't fight his way to the top of the food chain just to become a vegetarian!

    I am eating my daily amount of critters BAh!
    Lets say I eat 2 lbs of chicken a day, heck a full chicken alive weights what 8-10lbs, that means I am eating 78 per year.... I am quite proud of that and cant wait till I am big enough I need to eat 100 just to keep from muscular atrophy

  25. Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    Think about it. We know Leucine is the key here for muscle growth so why eat meat.


    Food proteins are broken down by the human body into their building blocks, amino acids. The amino acids are then used to build new proteins. Proteins consist of 28 amino acids. We manufacture 19 amino acids in our livers. Nine essential amino acids must be obtained from the foods we eat. Many people believe that animal and plant proteins are exactly the same. That is not true. One of those "essential" amino acids is methionine. One needs methionine for many human metabolic functions including digestion, detoxification of heavy metals, and muscle metabolism. However, an excess of methionine can be toxic and create that acid condition in your blood. The center atom of methionine is sulfur. That's the problem. Eat foods containing too much methionine, and your blood will become acidic. The sulfur converts to sulfates and weak forms of sulfuric acid. In order to neutralize the acid, in its wisdom, the body leaches calcium from bones.

    "Dietary protein increases production of acid in the blood which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized from the skeleton." {American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995;
    61,4}

    Animal proteins contain more methionine than plant proteins.
    Let's compare cow's milk to soymilk:

    Methionine in 100 grams of soymilk: .040 grams
    Methionine in 100 grams of whole milk: .083 grams
    Methionine in 100 grams of skim milk: .099 grams

    Now, let's compare 100 gram portions of tofu to meat:
    (All of the meat products are lean and without skin)

    Silken soft tofu: .074 grams of methionine
    Hamburger: .382 grams of methionine
    Hard boiled egg: .392 grams of methionine
    Roast ham: .635 grams of methionine
    Baked codfish: .779 grams of methionine
    Swiss cheese .784 grams of methionine
    Roast chicken: .901 grams of methionine

    Why do nations with the highest rates of bone disease also have the highest milk consumption rates? The highest rates of osteoporosis are to be found in America, Denmark, Holland, Norway, and Sweden.

    That would be another reason why not to consume animal products even in small dosages.

    So if the key to recap is good fats and leucine for growth with vitamins and minerals why not. If scientifically we figured it out what is stopping us?
    Once milk is pasturized it loses nearly all its nutritional value, ie calcium - milk needs to be straight from the cow to get the full nutritional value.. but im a human, i don't drink milk from a cow. If you are looking for bone disease look for things like soda, and not doing weigh baring exercises, and the fact milk calcium isn't absorbed by the body very easily anyway.......... I would stay away from FLOUR, BREAD, PASTA mainly... I eat meat cuz I love the taste, and i know its not bad for me unless in high dosage, and we all know anything abused isn't good for you. I won't stop eating meat until I die -- free range, organic meat is GREAT for you... the kind most people eat isn't..

  26. I thought Leucine being the powerhouse amino for muscle building has long been established as common knowledge. It was my understanding that the only dichotomy was whether Leucine is effective as a stand alone, or/only effective when combined with it's fellow friends Iso-leucine and L-valine.

    Also, regardless of your religious point of view on man's origins, there's a general consensus that we came from tribal peoples of hunters & gather's to some degree. Hunter's weren't hunting down tree's and there weren't any dietitians deferring them from eating the deer they just caught.

    If we weren't "meant" to eat meat and true to it's definition that meat should not be entering our bodies, then we wouldn't produce the enzymes that break them down for energy so effectively.

    We can't sustain ourselves from eating plastic, metal or rocks because we lack the appropriate enzymes to convert it to energy.

    I think we as American's do consume more meat then we should and I believe the principle of balance and everything in moderation are the bottom line, but this whole "we shouldn't be eating meat," is silly, especially considering how how many functions good & bad fats serve for our bodies.
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  27. Yes we (Americans) do consume way more than necessary.

    Heck I did some quick math in my head last night while we were watching the superbowl.
    My mom cooks up some nice steaks, each one at a 1lb each all ribeye very juicy, everyone sits down and eats the entire thing, after that they eat hotdogs and burgers...

    I took my steak cut of 4 oz of it ate that yesterday, heck I am eating some today.... 4oz after cooked was really more like 6-7 oz before cooked. That in itself (my family and friends) were getting about (around 1500 calories in meat alone!) 90grams of protein in a 2 hour span. That is a prefect example of how the average american eats way to much meat.

  28. I am Jewish and as some people are religous here religiously speaking too we never ate a animals if you go by the bible. I know not all people here are religious so it would not pertain to you but any one that is Jewish and even christian for that matter from a blibical stand point we never ate animals.
    As far as sex hormorns.
    If your baseing your life around sex i.e test estrogen, progestron, I can get that via herbs etc supplementation trt.

  29. Nothing against organic foods or meats but:
    Here is Penn and Tellers BullSh*t take on it.
    Two different Vids.

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  30. I don't want to make this to religious but even stright from the bible.

    And God said: "Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree that has seed-yielding fruit--to you it shall be for food." (Gen.1:29)
    God's initial intention was that people should be vegetarians. The famous Jewish Torah commentator, Rashi (1040-1105), states the following about God's first dietary law:
    God did not permit Adam and his wife to kill a creature and to eat its flesh. Only every green herb shall they all eat together.
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