svtfocusman
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I was just wondering how everyone consumes their eggs each morning? I was thinking of trying to consume them raw but have been reading around that it is unsafe, how do you consume your eggs?
I used the search button before asking the question but came up with nothing. I just tried searching on your subject and came up with nothing. Did a quick search online on the bioavailability of raw eggs and this is what I found;Eating eggs raw greatly reduces the bioavailability of the protein. Search it on Pubmed, or here on AM - I've posted the study abstract in the past.
The study was done on people that have had an ileostomy.Not the study I meant.
Here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10564098?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=4
Healthy subjects. 30% More egg protein absorbed when cooked.
Here too:
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/128/10/1716
The second test has no evidence to prove the results. All of the proven digestive issues are of people with ileostomy. And reading a lot of the scientific studies mention that raw eggs are beneficial / have no digestion issues with a person with a normal digestive system. Also to slower any digestion issues that may be present, supplementing with foods / milk (casein) will help out.Only the second study.
From the first:
Ten healthy volunteers were studied once after ingestion of a cooked test meal, consisting of 25 g of (13)C-, (15)N-, and (2)H-labeled egg protein, and once after ingestion of the same but raw meal. Amounts of 5.73% and 35.10% (P < 0.005) of cooked and raw test meal, respectively, escaped digestion and absorption in the small intestine. A significantly higher percentage of the malabsorbed raw egg protein was recovered in urine as fermentation metabolites.
Edit: From the methods: Ten volunteers (5 females and 5 males, mean age 27 yr, range of 21-37 yr) participated. None of the subjects had a history of gastrointestinal or metabolic disease or previous surgery (apart from appendectomy). The subjects had no gastrointestinal complaints and were free of antibiotics or any other medical treatment for at least 3 mo before the start of the study. The study was approved by the Ethical Committee of the University of Leuven, and all subjects gave informed consent.
Those numbers are nothing but #$%^, it does not say anything on the actual percentage that e absorbed. Nor does it say that those numbers are of the raw or uncooked studies. The proven study says that 51% is bipassed into the small intestine, which if you were to even use the 35.1% thats less than 50% (100 - 35.1 = 64.9%). Also with any testing the results will vary depending on if other things were consumed or not, also the persons metabolism and other factors. It takes multiple tests to find conclusive data. Are the same exact measures used for each test or were other foods consumed from one test to the next, or was the cooked test done secondly causing a higher number if the digestive system has not digested all of the matter and is giving higher numbers? With anything there are variables to an actual test being done, this even goes for percentage numbers when you go to a casino or something. A casino may say they have an 80% payout but their are many times where you win nothing, its all in how the numbers are factored and the variables to the whole test. I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying that link did not give me anything that makes it seems that eating raw eggs are not as effective to cooked eggs. Also is the final findings the same per person or does it change from person to person? On the same note it has been said you lose some nutrients when breaking up the egg from oxidation and also from cooking, so which would be better in the end? It is hard to come with an exact answer to that..... And as technology has advanced would the same results be present now as back in the late 90's or would the results be different?The first study is valid on it's own. If definite numbers in healthy subjects don't convince you, I don't know what else to tell you man.
Edit: I answered this: "the truth is proven with scientific numbers to show what is absorbed and what is not." here: "Amounts of 5.73% and 35.10% (P < 0.005) of cooked and raw test meal, respectively, escaped digestion and absorption in the small intestine." That's in healthy people!
Yes I read the papers.Did you even read the paper? Not the abstract, but the actual paper?
Yes, but the proven study was for people with digestive issues. Yes more evidence is put more towards saying raw is worse, but on the ileostomy testing. I am still unclear on if it effects 'healthy' people or not as a lot of sites say that the protein issue is just a myth when it comes to raw eggs. (I do realize it's the internet and people write their own beliefs and you can't believe everything you read.) I have found tons of sites saying raw is better not particulary on the protein but more for other nutrients. I'll have to say your right until I can come across some solid information on which is better. Thanks for the info!omelette's make an awesome breakfast swoll!
SVT, well, if you're not convinced, consider: have you found any evidence that eating them raw IMPROVES absorbance? Or even has equal absorbance? I never have - any evidence always suggests lowered absorption. Yes, some of that evidence is in ileostomy patients, but none the less I know of no data supporting raw eggs for better bioavailability. You yourself said the "Proven study" says 51% isn't absorbed in the small intestine.
Now, yes that is on average, but what's the standard deviation here? Probably not enough to close a 30-40% gap between raw and uncooked absorption.
SVT, I have to say, this was one the better conversations I've had on AM in a while - you were eloquent, logical and brought good points to the table, all while being polite. Your ideas concerning nutrients other than protein are absolutely valid - I have seen little to nothing concerning their bioavailability. Thanks for a stimulating exchange!Yes, but the proven study was for people with digestive issues. Yes more evidence is put more towards saying raw is worse, but on the ileostomy testing. I am still unclear on if it effects 'healthy' people or not as a lot of sites say that the protein issue is just a myth when it comes to raw eggs. (I do realize it's the internet and people write their own beliefs and you can't believe everything you read.) I have found tons of sites saying raw is better not particulary on the protein but more for other nutrients. I'll have to say your right until I can come across some solid information on which is better. Thanks for the info!
Nice!!Haha..the Ez Cracker. Mine is called a woman...cooked them damn eggs..I'm hungry.