Another protein question

There are many physiological factors which can influence the 'amount'. There is no golden number. However, the most widely accepted macro percent for the average lifter is 50/30/20--carb/protein/fat. If you calculate your maintenance caloric requirements + how much you need to gain weight, you can figure out how much protein.
 
at the very minimum 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight. Most people will tell you more in the neighborhood of 1.5g/lb, and some people like to go as high as 2g/lb, and anything that is really overkill unless you're on hormones.
 
spadesofaces said:
at the very minimum 1g of protein per lb of bodyweight. Most people will tell you more in the neighborhood of 1.5g/lb, and some people like to go as high as 2g/lb, and anything that is really overkill unless you're on hormones.
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It's actually between 1.0 - 2.2g protein per KILOGRAM of body weight, not pounds. That number can vary tremendously depending on the activity level of the individual. And, like you said obviously if one is taking hormones that number will be significantly higher. One must also be aware that high protein diets have been linked to kidney damage.
 
russy_russ said:
However, the most widely accepted macro percent for the average lifter is 50/30/20--carb/protein/fat.
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why is that?? that seems like a sh!t load of carbs and a good way to get fat

this is coming from a guy who takes in 275g of carbs a day so im definatley not a carb hater, im just sayin
 
ccapone1153 said:
why is that?? that seems like a sh!t load of carbs and a good way to get fat

this is coming from a guy who takes in 275g of carbs a day so im definatley not a carb hater, im just sayin
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Carbohydrates are NOT stored as fat. I'm not going to debate this topic for the millionth time. It is what it is.
 
russy_russ said:
Carbohydrates are NOT stored as fat.
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relax. no one is asking u to debate anything.

i never said they were STORED as fat. carbs definately can effect insulin levels which in turn would cause you to gain fat. I was just asking who started the whole 50/30/20 carb/protein/fat amounts.. i know that is the "normal" bulking prodical, i just wonder why
 
ccapone1153 said:
relax. no one is asking u to debate anything.

i never said they were STORED as fat. carbs definately can effect insulin levels which in turn would cause you to gain fat. I was just asking who started the whole 50/30/20 carb/protein/fat amounts.. i know that is the "normal" bulking prodical, i just wonder why
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Right. Carbohydrates induce insulin release which activates FATP1 or FATP4 can't remember which and GLUT4. Also, insulin directly inhibits lipase activity. To answer your question, I do not know exactly although I'm sure there is reason for it. At 20% fatty acid intake your body should be able to oxidize that for various ATP requirements at rest and hormone production. Carbohydrates also play a crucial role in the complete oxidation of fatty acids. I haven't finished my masters / phd yet. Maybe someone who has can chime in.
 
screw that. i'd rather higher fats over higher carbs.

carbs have their purpose, but i just cant see taking them in after 6pm just cause they taste good and make you feel nice.
 
thats why i said, carbs have their purpose.

earlier in the day to help you build muscle.

carbs at night won't make you build muscle better .

in fact, carbs at night will stunt GH release, as opposed to getting EFAs to raise good hormone levels.
 
soontobbeast said:
in fact, carbs at night will stunt GH release, as opposed to getting EFAs to raise good hormone levels.
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Can you provide case studies on this? I know GH decreases insulin response therefore glucose uptake is hindered, but this is normally seen with increased GH levels above the normal homeostatic range.
 
soontobbeast said:
its common knowledge.

lower blood sugar before bed allows for the most GH release.
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'Common Knowledge' has to have some factual basis which is what I want to read. There are a lot of "common knowledge" information floating around these boards that are incorrect. What mechanisms cause an increased release of GH? Does glucagon play a role? How much of an increase in GH? How low is the plasma glucose levels?

I'm not trying to be condescending. I just want to read studies before accepting anything without reason.
 
soontobbeast said:
carbs at night will stunt GH release, as opposed to getting EFAs to raise good hormone levels.
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yeah ive heard that before, but if u eat carbs at like 730 and dont go to bed till like 11 thats more than enough time for glucose levels to come back down. i think u just shouldnd eat carbs within an an hr or two before bed.

assuming ur not preping for a show.. in which case u should be so low on carbs anyway that having them at night is not even an option
 
agreed capone, all im saying is low blood sugar before bed for a few hours. capone, you should read up on tom venuto's '' burn the fat feed the muscle '' he has great meal plans for doing a mixed low carb diet. he does starchy carbs till 3pm, then all meals after 3 have fibrous carbs. so you arent eliminating carbs completely for several hours, you are just eating different kinds that have less effect on blood sugar.


and russ, i dont care if you want studies . if you want to find out a better way of releasing GH, you will research it. i dont need to win an argument. i dont care if i sway you into going low carb at night. i have nothing to gain or lose - you do, or maybe you dont. you wont convince me to take the time out of my day to look for studies, read up on them, and present it in a format that you can easily decide whether to do so or not.

once again, its up to you.
 
soontobbeast said:
and russ, i dont care if you want studies . if you want to find out a better way of releasing GH, you will research it. i dont need to win an argument. i dont care if i sway you into going low carb at night. i have nothing to gain or lose - you do, or maybe you dont. you wont convince me to take the time out of my day to look for studies, read up on them, and present it in a format that you can easily decide whether to do so or not.

once again, its up to you.
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You made the claim, not me. The burden of proof is on you.
 
i only need to back something up if i care to convince you to do something. a doctor doesn't need to convince a patient to do the steps to cure the cancer they have. if they dont do the steps, they die. does the doctor have anything to gain by them believing him? no.

they can do it , or not do it. it makes no difference to him.
 
soontobbeast said:
i only need to back something up if i care to convince you to do something. a doctor doesn't need to convince a patient to do the steps to cure the cancer they have. if they dont do the steps, they die. does the doctor have anything to gain by them believing him? no.

they can do it , or not do it. it makes no difference to him.
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Not true. Many patients are skeptics and always reserve the right to ask for research studies on a particular type of treatment and its effectiveness versus side effects.
 
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