LOL Red Meat Leads to Death

[Doug8796]

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What they dont mention is the affects of a sensible diet with Lean red meat not the fatty hamburger variety.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

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What they dont mention is the affects of a sensible diet with Lean red meat not the fatty hamburger variety.

It's not just the fat - or the hormones - or the antibiotics. Red meat is hard to digest and clogs your system. I keep my consumption down to 1 or 2 servings per week. There are plenty of other good protein sources. You don't need it to get big or strong. If you don't believe me take a look at Bill Pearl. He built his body on dairy products and eggs. Check out the photos of him in his mid to late 50s Invalid Link Removed

 

[engival]

red meat is easier to digest then most grains and veggies, nuts, seeds...

the only thing that digest easier is eggs, milk and fruits

red meat is natures best food for humans

btw those studies are completely useless junk... i dont even bother to read them anymore

 

[raginfcktard]

i'll be eating 2lbs a day soon...mmmmm beef. studies like this just make me wanna eat even more just to prove you can eat what you want and stay healthy and look good!

 

[TexasTitan]

I work at a BBQ part time and I go to town on the lean brisket.

 

[MrBigPR]

I just saw this on yahoo...LOL.

 

[killfat]

What would my Saturday & Sunday meals come to? I eat it twice a week w/that sinful plain bagel and enjoy every last bite. I think they're referring to that Butter Soaked Sirloin at the Outback. That shady restaurant that refuses to publish their nutritional value on their foods. For that reason too probably. Or that gut rot steak that Guy from the food network advertises in those stupid TGI Fridays comercials. That overgrown garbage pail kid advertising any kind of food, would surely deter me on sight.

 

[buuzer0]

THIS JUST IN:

Life leads to death

*shock*

 

[PhysiqueFreak]

I hate the girls who choose not to eat read meat because of a book they read by a woman that talks about the antibiotics given to the animals. They fail to realize that mostly all of the fruits, vegetables, and grains they eat have been sprayed by pesticides and such.

...Had the argument a million times with my gf who doesn't eat red meat

 

[colkurtz_spf]

i'll be eating 2lbs a day soon...mmmmm beef. studies like this just make me wanna eat even more just to prove you can eat what you want and stay healthy and look good!

When it comes to a steak, I like mine rare and dripping blood. I understand your desire to prove the medical community wrong. Unfortunately it will take years to see the outcome of your quest. For me the proof is in the Shepard's pie. I've seen how avid meat eaters age - have quite a few in my family. Believe me, none of them looks nearly as good as Bill Pearl. If you want to avoid arthritis, gall bladder disease, gout, coronary disease, liver and gastrointestinal disorders then limit your intake of red meat. There may be other associated afflictions, but I can only speak from family experience. Either you eat to live or live to eat. I believe either philosophy has it's merits. It all depends on what you value.

 

[PhysiqueFreak]

P.S. after reading this I got really hungry and went to the fridge for some of my mom's brisket. Gotta love coming home to good food

 

[colkurtz_spf]

THIS JUST IN:

Life leads to death

*shock*

We start dying the moment we are born. How we die is another matter. I for one, don't want my kids wiping my helpless ass. I've seen a lot of people age and die. The end is never a problem; it's usually the events leading up to. Life without joy is not worth living. We can't have it all so we trade things. Again, it's all about values. For some, the pleasure of eating comes first. I'm not knocking it. I've just been around long enough to know the price.

 

[dsade]

What would my Saturday & Sunday meals come to? I eat it twice a week w/that sinful plain bagel and enjoy every last bite. I think they're referring to that Butter Soaked Sirloin at the Outback. That shady restaurant that refuses to publish their nutritional value on their foods. For that reason too probably. Or that gut rot steak that Guy from the food network advertises in those stupid TGI Fridays comercials. That overgrown garbage pail kid advertising any kind of food, would surely deter me on sight.

He's on my Dead Pool for this year. Heart Attack by October.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

red meat is easier to digest then most grains and veggies, nuts, seeds...

the only thing that digest easier is eggs, milk and fruits

red meat is natures best food for humans

btw those studies are completely useless junk... i dont even bother to read them anymore

Red meat can stay in your colon for 50 years. It eventually becomes hard and attaches to the lining of your colon and intestines blocking the absorption of nutrients. Check it out.

 

[PhysiqueFreak]

He's on my Dead Pool for this year. Heart Attack by October.

hahaha lol

 

[dsade]

Red meat can stay in your colon for 50 years. It eventually becomes hard and attaches to the lining of your colon and intestines blocking the absorption of nutrients. Check it out.

Source?

/MANY doctors that perform autopsies would take issue with this claim.

 

[tyler4]

I saw this on good morning America this morning. Not sure I buy the whole "red meat is dangerous" thing. Carl on Super Human Radio will be discussing this very issue tonight.

 

[dsade]

I saw this on good morning America this morning. Not sure I buy the whole "red meat is dangerous" thing. Carl on Super Human Radio will be discussing this very issue tonight.

Carl rocks...very smart man.

 

[B5150]

I hate to break it to you but I tend to see that as an urban legend. I have had several colonoscopies in the last 10 years and no reports of beef products attached to the lining of my colon...and it ain't for the lack of looking.

 

[tyler4]

Carl rocks...very smart man.

He is very smart and he has very smart people on the show. I just wish they had the show on podcast!

 

[killfat]

That whole food trapped in your colon for centuries I think is such a marketing ploy on men. Women have been targeted w/weight loss and beauty products since the dawn of time but it seems that they target men w/that because men are 'meat eaters' and what better way to push those detox products. I never see this to be a huge issue on those anatomy shows wherein they dissect the whole body and pull out the kitchen sink but alas, the colon track normal.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

I hate to break it to you but I tend to see that as an urban legend. I have had several colonoscopies in the last 10 years and no reports of beef products attached to the lining of my colon...and it ain't for the lack of looking.

Please note I used the word can. I did not say it will stay in your colon, but if you're a heavy meat eater, and don't eat enough fiber it's a likely occurrence. Five years a go I read up on this but can't recall my sources. My wife was my main concern. She had a foot of intestine removed from her at the age of 45. She is not an over eater or fat person by any means. It was scary!

Undigested meat eventually becomes post-putrefaction, and it does not resemble meat. It's also the hardest substance in the colon. Here's a link that describes the process: Invalid Link Removed It's from an ad. I'm sure there's better material out there if you're interested.

Unless your doctor said your colon was squeaky clean consider the possibility.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

Source?

/MANY doctors that perform autopsies would take issue with this claim.

Why would autopsy doctors take issue with it? I don't have sources to support my claim, but I'm sure they are available. You sell colon cleanses. Have you seen the results?

 

[dsade]

Why would autopsy doctors take issue with it? I don't have sources to support my claim, but I'm sure they are available. You sell colon cleanses. Have you ever tried them?

I do not sell colon cleanses...and autopsy doctors have seen MANY MANY colons post mortem, and they are the ones coming forward calling BS on the whole "meat buildup" myth.

 

[B5150]

Please note I used the word can. I did not say it will stay in your colon, but if you're a heavy meat eater, and don't eat enough fiber it's a likely occurrence. Five years a go I read up on this but can't recall my sources. My wife was my main concern. She had a foot of intestine removed from her at the age of 45. She is not an over eater or fat person by any means. It was scary!

Undigested meat eventually becomes post-putrefaction, and it does not resemble meat. It's also the hardest substance in the colon. Here's a link that describes the process: Invalid Link Removed It's from an ad. I'm sure there's better material out there if you're interested.

Unless your doctor said your colon was squeaky clean consider the possibility.

My suspicion is that lack of fiber in the diet is the culprit. I believe that the beef intake is casual and not causation. JMHO.

BTW, my sympathies for you and your wife's scare.

My colon was squeaky clean, less of course the benign polyp removal. I have a genetic predisposition (biological father) so I have been very proactive and consume high amounts of fiber on a regular basis.


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[colkurtz_spf]

That whole food trapped in your colon for centuries I think is such a marketing ploy on men. Women have been targeted w/weight loss and beauty products since the dawn of time but it seems that they target men w/that because men are 'meat eaters' and what better way to push those detox products. I never see this to be a huge issue on those anatomy shows wherein they dissect the whole body and pull out the kitchen sink but alas, the colon track normal.

It's not all about weight loss.

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[TheLastRonin]

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Heres the key.The end. Naturopaths are not doctors,surgeons or anyone that actually looks inside the human body. They are marketers who want to sell their product plain and simple.They are also hippies for the most part that thrive on conspiricy theory. Red meat does not stay in your colon for 50 years, that is utter B.S. Same goes for bubblegum and multivitamins.

 

[dsade]

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Heres the key.The end. Naturopaths are not doctors,surgeons or anyone that actually looks inside the human body. They are marketers who want to sell their product plain and simple.They are also hippies for the most part that thrive on conspiricy theory. Red meat does not stay in you colon for 50 years, that is utter B.S. Same goes for bubblegum and multivitamins.

Phew...I guess I can proceed with my new Beef-Based Multivitamin Gum!!

 

[colkurtz_spf]

My suspicion is that lack of fiber in the diet is the culprit. I believe that the beef intake is casual and causation. JMHO.

BTW, my sympathies for you and your wife's scare.

My colon was squeaky clean, less of course the benign polyp removal. I have a genetic predisposition (biological father) so I have been very proactive and consume high amounts of fiber on a regular basis.


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Thanks for your sympathy. My wife is doing much better now. She and I both have families with a histories of colon problems. Unfortunately, my 16 year old kid eats red meat 24/7.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

i I don't have sources to support my claim, QUOTE]

Heres the key.The end. Naturopaths are not doctors,surgeons or anyone that actually looks inside the human body. They are marketers who want to sell their product plain and simple.They are also hippies for the most part that thrive on conspiricy theory. Red meat does not stay in you colon for 50 years, that is utter B.S. Same goes for bubblegum and multivitamins.

That's fine for you to say, but you have not shown any material supporting your statement either. My source was not an ad. Unfortunately I read it 5 years ago - I do a lot of reading. I assure you my effort was serious.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

I do not sell colon cleanses...and autopsy doctors have seen MANY MANY colons post mortem, and they are the ones coming forward calling BS on the whole "meat buildup" myth.

Because of your reputation, I'll take your word for it. I apologize for saying you sell colon cleanses. I forgot that in the past I had purchased elsewhere.

 

[TheLastRonin]

It's not all about weight loss.

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Those studies are ludacris. One had only 21 people. One had overlapping meat products bieng used.

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During 10 years of follow-up, there were 47 976 male deaths and 23 276 female deaths. In general, those in the highest quintile of red meat intake tended to consume a slightly lower amount of white meat but a higher amount of processed meat compared with those in the lowest quintile. Subjects who consumed more red meat tended to be married, more likely of non-Hispanic white ethnicity, more likely a current smoker, have a higher body mass index, and have a higher daily intake of energy, total fat, and saturated fat, and they tended to have lower education and physical activity levels and lower fruit, vegetable, fiber, and vitamin supplement intakes"

There seems to be alot more involved than just eating red meat.


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[TheLastRonin]

Post of mine from other red meat thread,
;"The latest United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) Nutrient Database shows that 19 cuts of beef meet government guidelines for "lean," including many of America's favorites like tenderloin, T-bone steak and 95 percent lean ground beef. And, 12 of these beef cuts have, on average, only one more gram -- or less -- of saturated fat than a skinless chicken breast (per 3-ounce serving).The 19 lean cuts, beginning with the leanest, include: eye round roast, top round steak, mock tender steak, bottom round roast, top sirloin steak, round tip roast, 95 percent lean ground beef, brisket (flat half), shank crosscuts, chuck shoulder roast, arm pot roast, shoulder steak, top loin (strip or New York) steak, flank steak, ribeye steak, rib steak, tri-tip roast, tenderloin steak and T-bone steak. These 19 beef cuts meet government guidelines for lean with less than 10 grams of total fat, 4.5 grams or less of saturated fat, and less than 95 milligrams of cholesterol per serving. Beyond lean beef's favorable fat profile, beef is -- and has always been -- a nutrient-rich powerhouse. Just one 3-ounce serving of beef is an excellent source of five essential nutrients: protein, zinc, vitamin B12, selenium and phosphorous. The same serving size is also a good source of four essential nutrients: niacin, vitamin B6, iron and riboflavin.In addition, beef's fat profile is generally misunderstood. Half the fatty acids in a 3-ounce serving of lean beef are monounsaturated fatty acids -- the same heart-healthy kind found in olive oil -- which research shows may have cholesterol-lowering abilities. And, one third of the saturated fat in beef is a unique fatty acid called stearic acid, which has been found to have a neutral or cholesterol-lowering effect."

"Research shows lean beef can play the same role as skinless chicken or fish in a cholesterol-lowering diet," said Dayle Hayes, M.S., R.D., member of the Council for Women's Nutrition Solutions (CWNS). "In addition, beef provides essential nutrients that can have a positive effect on some of today's major health issues like weight management and bone health."

Bear in mind that these are your standard cows.Not free range or organic,which are much leaner and definitely not wild.Buffalo or bison has less fat and calories than skinless light meat chicken.As do Deer and Elk.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

Those studies are ludacris. One had only 21 people. One had overlapping meat products bieng used.

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"Results
During 10 years of follow-up, there were 47 976 male deaths and 23 276 female deaths. In general, those in the highest quintile of red meat intake tended to consume a slightly lower amount of white meat but a higher amount of processed meat compared with those in the lowest quintile. Subjects who consumed more red meat tended to be married, more likely of non-Hispanic white ethnicity, more likely a current smoker, have a higher body mass index, and have a higher daily intake of energy, total fat, and saturated fat, and they tended to have lower education and physical activity levels and lower fruit, vegetable, fiber, and vitamin supplement intakes"

There seems to be alot more involved than just eating red meat.


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I'm sure that lung cancer wasn't caused by meat, but you have to consider colon cancer. Maybe it's the way we raise our cattle. I know that meat tasted different 40 years ago. At home we eat mostly buffalo, and sometimes grass fed hormone and antibiotic free beef. It costs money - not sure how may can afford to eat that way and avoid health risks.

 

[dsade]

I'm sure that lung cancer wasn't caused by meat, but you have to consider colon cancer. Maybe it's the way we raise our cattle. I know that meat tasted different 40 years ago. At home we eat mostly buffalo, and sometimes grass fed hormone and antibiotic free beef. It costs money - not sure how may can afford to eat that way and avoid health risks.

Nothing compares to Buffalo...there's a few farms right out here - all grassfed and as fresh as can be.

 

[TheLastRonin]

That's fine for you to say, but you have not shown any material supporting your statement either. My source was not an ad. Unfortunately I read it 5 years ago - I do a lot of reading. I assure you my effort was serious.

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Did your wife happen to have colon polyps?

"Anyone can develop colon polyps, but you're at higher risk if you are 50 or older, are overweight or a smoker, eat a high-fat, low-fiber diet, or have a personal or family history of colon polyps or colon cancer.

Sometimes colon polyps can cause signs and symptoms such as rectal bleeding, a change in bowel habits and abdominal pain. But most small colon polyps don't cause problems, which is why experts generally recommend regular screening. Colon polyps that are found in the early stages usually can be removed safely and completely.Polyps that cannot be removed during colonoscopy will require abdominal surgery. When polyps are cancerous, the surgeon will usually remove the portion of the large intestine that is affected and then join the healthy ends of the intestine back together. In more severe cases, all or part of the colon may need to be removed. This is called a colectomy. You should have a colonoscopy one year after any removal of colon polyps, cancerous or noncancerous. After that your doctor should perform colonoscopies at regular intervals to check for recurrences."

Red meat contains a natural dye which can irritate the polyps...but in general the resons for getting them is on the top paragraph.

 

[BabyHulk]

If red meat is gonna speed my death, I have to say I will be there quicker than most!

 

[TheLastRonin]

I'm sure that lung cancer wasn't caused by meat, but you have to consider colon cancer. Maybe it's the way we raise our cattle. I know that meat tasted different 40 years ago. At home we eat mostly buffalo, and sometimes grass fed hormone and antibiotic free beef. It costs money - not sure how may can afford to eat that way and avoid health risks.

I agree with chemically enhanced beef bieng a possible cause for cancer and other health ailments..from the chemicals,hormones and antibiotics. That is why I hunt. I can also buy a whole buffalo here for under $500. During the mad cow scare ..they were going for $100...it cost more to feed them than sell so it was a happy time for me lol. Wild meat is still the best and healthiest around.
I hate the way cattle are raised in the states.In Canada we have slightly more strict laws..although we have nothing on the Argentinians though,which is how beef should be raised IMO. I am fortunate to have cattle ranchers as family members so I can get free-range organic beef for free as well. I know some people can only afford what they can afford and some are lucky to eat at all. You have to survive with whatcha got.

 

[colkurtz_spf]

I agree with chemically enhanced beef bieng a possible cause for cancer and other health ailments..from the chemicals,hormones and antibiotics. That is why I hunt. I can also buy a whole buffalo here for under $500. During the mad cow scare ..they were going for $100...it cost more to feed them than sell so it was a happy time for me lol. Wild meat is still the best and healthiest around.
I hate the way cattle are raised in the states.In Canada we have slightly more strict laws..although we have nothing on the Argentinians though,which is how beef should be raised IMO. I am fortunate to have cattle ranchers as family members so I can get free-range organic beef for free as well. I know some people can only afford what they can afford and some are lucky to eat at all. You have to survive with whatcha got.

My wife has a tortious colon resulting from an extreme case of diverticulitis. At the time it was perforated, so a section had to be removed. You're lucky to have access to the buffalo. It's probably the most nutritious red meet available, and it tastes great. I also like hunting and the taste of wild meat. Some don't like it, but for me it's special.

It's a good thing to have to kill and clean your food. Too many people see a hamburger and not a cow. There's a feeling of gratification when you take responsibility. My first kill was a rabbit in a Belgian forest back in '78. I was only 20 and resented the lady who asked me if I was hungry and then handed me a 22 gage rifle. My shot hit it's hind quarters. I was only 20, nervous and hungry. I tried to give it the Karate chop to the back of the neck, but that didn't do it in. Finally I hand to grab its thumpers and whack its head across a tree. It was a messy and painful experience. I didn't know what I was doing. I walked back to the house with mutilated rabbit in hand. I was a very big man until I was told to clean it. I owe that lady a debt of gratitude.

 

[TheLastRonin]

My wife has a tortious colon resulting from an extreme case of diverticulitis. At the time it was perforated, so a section had to be removed. You're lucky to have access to the buffalo. It's probably the most nutritious red meet available, and it tastes great. I also like hunting and the taste of wild meat. Some don't like it, but for me it's special.

It's a good thing to have to kill and clean your food. Too many people see a hamburger and not a cow. There's a feeling of gratification when you take responsibility. My first kill was a rabbit in a Belgian forest back in '78. I was only 20 and resented the lady who asked me if I was hungry and then handed me a 22 gage rifle. My shot hit it's hind quarters. I was only 20, nervous and hungry. I tried to give it the Karate chop to the back of the neck, but that didn't do it in. Finally I hand to grab its thumpers and whack its head across a tree. It was a messy and painful experience. I didn't know what I was doing. I walked back to the house with mutilated rabbit in hand. I was a very big man until I was told to clean it. I owe that lady a debt of gratitude.

You probably already know this so I will post for others.
"The assumption that a lack of dietary fiber, particularly non-soluble fiber (also known in older parlance as "roughage") predisposes individuals to diverticular disease is supported within the medical literature."

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Lack of dietary fibre in the diet is a big problem for people in so call "first" world nations. Fast fatty foods (high in saturated fats)make up the bulk of what many people eat. Veggies and friuts are almost non existent in peoples diets nowadays. People really need to strive to uphold a healthy balanced diet. I am also sorry about your wife , I thought it might be poylps because someone I worked with just went though that.
BTW that is an awesome story. Its always good to meet a fellow hunter.

 

[madds87]

Thanks for your sympathy. My wife is doing much better now. She and I both have families with a histories of colon problems. Unfortunately, my 16 year old kid eats red meat 24/7.

Yeah man i hear yah on colon problems. im diagnosed with chrones disease in the colon. I can only have red meat once every two weeks or maybe less than that. My main meat is chicken! Chicken is so much healthier for yah! so much so much so much. But yeah i understand on the digestive problems...

 

[TheLastRonin]

Yeah man i hear yah on colon problems. im diagnosed with chrones disease in the colon. I can only have red meat once every two weeks or maybe less than that. My main meat is chicken! Chicken is so much healthier for yah! so much so much so much. But yeah i understand on the digestive problems...

My mom has Chron's disease as well.Its tough on her. As for the chicken part..perhaps you should read the articles I posted as this is a misnomer depending on the type and cut of meat you get.
Make sure you get your fibre bud, it helps my mom out quite a bit...Crohn's is largely genetic(sigh) I am hoping I do not get it.

 

[jakellpet]

Nothing compares to Buffalo...there's a few farms right out here - all grassfed and as fresh as can be.

Kangaroo compares even better, but not as tasty :bandit:

 

[madds87]

My mom has Chron's disease as well.Its tough on her. As for the chicken part..perhaps you should read the articles I posted as this is a misnomer depending on the type and cut of meat you get.
Make sure you get your fibre bud, it helps my mom out quite a bit...Crohn's is largely genetic(sigh) I am hoping I do not get it.

Yeah. Hmmm, i havent heard on the different kinds of cut i could have, that might be something i should look into, cause i dearly miis it! lol...... But yeah whats wierd about chrones is that every single person that has it has a different diet. Like mine i try to keep my veggies in but i cannot have alot of, unless it is cooked very much so. That way its soft for me. If i get any fiber it would be from oatmeal, grains. Yeah it sucks for my bodybuilding goals.... I cant seem to hold my gains. I could get sick one time and i loose alot! But hopefully your mom and I can be those few that the chrones just magically disapears! haha. wishfull thinking. But yeah i understand what your mom is going through and God bless her. Oh and also what i have heard, is that its not as much genetic. I wouldnt worry about it bro. I would just keep an eye out! Honestly docs dont even know where it comes from! kinda aggrevating.....

 

[TheLastRonin]

Yeah. Hmmm, i havent heard on the different kinds of cut i could have, that might be something i should look into, cause i dearly miis it! lol...... But yeah whats wierd about chrones is that every single person that has it has a different diet. Like mine i try to keep my veggies in but i cannot have alot of, unless it is cooked very much so. That way its soft for me. If i get any fiber it would be from oatmeal, grains. Yeah it sucks for my bodybuilding goals.... I cant seem to hold my gains. I could get sick one time and i loose alot! But hopefully your mom and I can be those few that the chrones just magically disapears! haha. wishfull thinking. But yeah i understand what your mom is going through and God bless her. Oh and also what i have heard, is that its not as much genetic. I wouldnt worry about it bro. I would just keep an eye out! Honestly docs dont even know where it comes from! kinda aggrevating.....

Yea I have read about the personal diet differences.Its such a hardship on people,who are afflicted.It would be nice to just disapear.I do know that you are more likley to get it if family members have it escpecially mothers and sibllings,from what I have read.I personally feel like a tank,I just hope when I was wild and crazy and ate a lot of funny mushrooms when I was younger that it has no effect on awakening a dormant Chron's gene lol.:laugh:
I commend you for your efforts on still trying to stay fit and reach your goals..other people with the disease that I have met just kinda give up on exercise.

 

[Chub]

Whos hungry after reading this thread? I am and i've no red meat in my fridge

 

[purebred]

saw on ABC. I believe it initially came out on WebMD.

Eating Red Meat May Boost Death Risk
Study Shows Red Meat Consumption Linked to Higher Risk of Dying From Cancer, Heart Disease
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March 23, 2009 -- Men and women who eat higher amounts of red meat and processed meat have a higher risk of dying from cancer, heart disease, and other causes compared to those who eat less, according to a new study.

Those in the study who ate the most red meat took in about 4.5 ounces a day -- the equivalent of a small steak.

"We found the consumption of red and processed meat is associated with a modest increase in overall mortality, as well as cancer and cardiovascular mortality in both men and women," says study researcher Rashmi Sinha, PhD, a senior investigator at the National Cancer Institute.

The study, supported by the National Cancer Institute, is published this week in the Archives of Internal Medicine. The author of an accompanying editorial says he views the risks found in the study as more than "modest."

Cutting down on red meat and processed meat would result in a "meaningful saving of lives," Barry Popkin, PhD, tells WebMD. Popkin is The Carla Smith Chamblee Distinguished Professor of Global Nutrition at the University of North Carolina School of Public Health, Chapel Hill. In a note accompanying his editorial, he states that he is not a vegetarian and has no financial conflict of interest related to food products affecting health.

Red Meat and Processed Meat Study

The recent study is believed to be the largest study to date looking at the links between red and processed meat and their effect on the risk of death from cancer, heart disease, and other causes, Sinha tells WebMD.

Her team evaluated more than 500,000 men and women who participated in the National Institutes of Health-AARP Diet and Health Study. Participants were between the ages of 50 and 71 when the study began in 1995, and all provided detailed information about their food intake.

The researchers followed them for 10 years, using the Social Security Administration's databases to track causes of death. During the follow-up period, 47,976 men and 23,276 women died.

Then the researchers evaluated dietary habits. "We divided people into five categories," Sinha tells WebMD, according to how much red meat and processed meat was eaten on a daily basis.

For the study, red meat included beef, pork, bacon, ham, hamburger, hot dogs, liver, pork sausage, steak, and meats in foods such as pizza, stews, and lasagna.

White meat included turkey, fish, chicken, chicken mixtures, and other meats.

Processed meat was either white or red meat that was cured, dried, or smoked, Sinha says, such as bacon, chicken sausage, lunch meats, and cold cuts.

Meat Intakes: High vs. Low
What was considered a high intake and what was low?

* For red meat, those in the highest intake group ate a median amount of 4.5 ounces a day (half ate more, half ate less), based on an average 2,000-calorie a day diet. Those in the lowest intake group ate a little over a half-ounce a day.
* For processed meat, those in the highest intake group about 1.5 ounces a day (about 2 slices of deli turkey), compared to just 0.11 ounces for those in the lowest intake group.
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Those who ate the most red meat as well as the most processed meat had a higher overall risk of dying during the study period as well as a higher risk of dying from cancer and heart disease compared to those who ate the least of both.

For instance, men in the group with the highest intake of red meat had a 31% higher overall risk of dying during the study period than did those in the lowest intake red meat group. And women with the highest intake of red meat had a 50% higher risk of dying due to heart disease. Or put another way, Sinha says that 11% of all deaths in men and 16% of deaths in women could have been prevented if participants cut their red meat consumption to that eaten by the lowest intake group. Heart disease deaths could have been decreased by 11% in men and 21% in women by limiting red meat intake to the amount eaten by the lowest intake group.

For processed meat, the highest intakes were associated with a 16% overall increased risk of dying in men and 25% increased risk in women.

Cancer risk was about 20% higher in those who ate the most red meat, and 10% higher in those who ate the most processed meats.

In contrast, the intake of white meat was often protective, with those eating the most having a slightly lower risk for overall and cancer deaths.

Exactly why red meat and processed meat are associated with increased risks of cancer, heart disease and other deaths isn't known for sure, Sinha says. But the leading explanations, she says, include:

* The meats are a source of carcinogens formed during cooking.
* The iron in red meat may increase oxidative cell damage, leading to health problems.
* The saturated fat found in meat has been linked with breast and colorectal cancer.

Industry Perspective

On its web site, the National Cattlemen's Beef Association notes that beef offers protein and other essential nutrients.

It offers information on lean cuts of beef to reduce the amount of saturated fat eaten.

In a statement, Shalene McNeill, PhD, RD, executive director of human nutrition research for the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, says: “As is often the case with epidemiological research on this subject, it is hard to draw substantial conclusions about any one food.” She said the study was complicated by the fact that participants had unhealthy behaviors such as smoking and lack of exercise.

There is a place in the diet for lean meats, she says.

Advice on Meat in the Diet

Sinha tells WebMD that she cannot make recommendations based on the study but says that the results complement the advice of such organizations as the American Institute for Cancer Research.

To reduce cancer risk, the web site of the American Institute for Cancer Research recommends eating no more than 18 ounces of red meat (cooked weight) per week (or about 2.5 ounces a day.) It recommends avoiding processed meat, noting that research suggests that cancer risk starts to increase with any amount.

Popkin agrees that processed meats are worse than red meats from a health point of view. He says the new study results suggest consumers can reduce their risk of dying from cancer, heart disease, or other problems by curtailing their intake of red and processed meats.

But he's not saying it's crucial to give up meat entirely. "I think what this is saying is, 'You don't have to be a vegan. You don't have to be a vegetarian.' But you really need to cut out the sausage and the pepperoni and the baloney, all those processed meats, or have them very little. You also need to be careful and cut down your red meat intake. Have it [only] a couple times a week."

grass-fed beef is definitely the way to go in the end. i've come across links between red meat and cancer but the meat was charred. no shhh, sherlock. no food is healthy if it's burned. excessive grain consumption increases risk of insulin resistance, fat gain, skin issues, excess inflammation and diabetes. eat your veggies with your meat and make sure you get your daily amount of fiber (25-35 grams ED).

If I'm gonna die, I wanna die big. lol

Grass-Fed Beef Recipes for a Healthy, Hard Body
by Josef Brandenburg

I don't know about you, but I'm not terribly interested in eating a half pound of horse flesh with cucumbers on the side every morning. This is what Christian Thibaudeau tells us he eats for breakfast, and more power to him, but seriously, sautéed slices of Seabuscuit every single day would get pretty tiresome after about the second week. Of course, that goes for just about anything.

So what do you do when you've run out of healthy food options and you're beginning to loathe your diet? Watch out, that's what. You're setting yourself up to fall way off the hard-body wagon, and once you do, it's too easy to catch the fast train going the other direction. You know the one I mean. That's right, the Man Tit Express, with non-stop service to Lardassville. So stay on the wagon, get your ass in the kitchen, and try some of these excellent beef recipes today. You really can love your food and look good naked.

Oh, and because we want to both look good naked and be healthy, the beef we're after in all these recipes is grass-fed beef. TC's written several articles about the overwhelming superiority of grass-fed beef, but let's review.

From Health Food To Poison

Real beef, that is to say grass-fed beef, is a bona fide health food. It's packed with high quality protein, omega-3s, and even conjugated linoleic acid (CLA). It's also low in the things that you need less of: saturated fat and omega-6s. And it's delicious.
The corn-fed crap they sell in the grocery store is not real beef. It's poison that looks and tastes sort of like beef. The problem is corn. And as you might suspect, the government is behind it.

Cattle are superbly adapted to thrive on high-cellulose foods like grass. That's why they're called herbivores ("grass eaters"). When you feed cattle a diet based on corn, soybeans, and other grains, they gets fat and sickly, just like people. The meat becomes loaded with pro-inflammatory omega-6s and saturated fat; the anti-inflammatory omega-3s are practically nonexistent.

In an actual free market economy, only an idiot would grow corn, because it costs about a dollar more to produce a bushel of corn than the corn is worth. And you can't eat debt. However, in our country, the government pays farmers to raise corn that the market doesn't want. These subsidies have created a vast surplus of corn, which is sold to feedlots and force-fed to obese couch-potato cows.

It takes about 16 pounds of corn and soy to make just onepound of grain-fed beef. Multiply that by the thousands of tons of grain fed beef produced annually in this country. Under normal supply and demand, corn-fed beef wouldn't exist: it's only possible (by which we mean "profitable") because of about 5 billion dollars a year in government subsidies.

Simply stated, the government uses your tax dollars to pay off farmers and cattle growers who produce inferior food that in fact poisons you. Think about that on April 15.

A Grass-Roots Revolution

Government regulation is largely responsible for the problem of corn-fed, junk-food beef, but we the people are the solution to bring back the healthy meat our ancestors ate and thrived on. We need to start a grass-roots revolution by demanding grass fed beef, and paying the extra few bucks for it.

It's still a bit of a chore to find good grass-fed beef at the local supermarket. Even Whole Foods rarely carries it, although Trader Joe's sometimes does. The best way to get it locally and reliably is at a farmer's market. Here are two great sites to find one near you: Eat Wild, and the USDA's Farmers Market Search. You can also order beef by mail at Tropical Traditions.

 

[Chub]

For the study, red meat included beef, pork, bacon, ham, hamburger, hot dogs, liver, pork sausage, steak, and meats in foods such as pizza, stews, and lasagna.

White meat included turkey, fish, chicken, chicken mixtures, and other meats.

Processed meat was either white or red meat that was cured, dried, or smoked, Sinha says, such as bacon, chicken sausage, lunch meats, and cold cuts.

Sounds like the red meat part was all mainly processed crap too, hot dogs, hamburgers,sausages etc

 

[engival]

My suspicion is that lack of fiber in the diet is the culprit.

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[engival]

just read the books Trick and Treat by barry gooves and GOod Calories, Bad calories by gary taubes.