Multivitamins. Worth it?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by dpfisher View Post
    Average in America is 190lbs male, unless you are talking LBM
    Well you have to remember that the RDAs on the back of nutrition labels were created quite a while back. Also, most people on these forums are in a certain bodybuilding mindset. The people who designed the RDAs weren't thinking about bodybuilding. Who knows what research they were going off of. At some point some guy was like, yeah, this looks good, do it. And that's how we got the RDA.. lol

    In as simple terms as I can put it, bodybuilders have more going on at a physiological basis than the regular dude does. Vitamins and minerals act as catalysts for reactions that take place inside the body. Bodybuilders have more going on, therefore, we need more vitamins and minerals. I'm not saying we need a lot more. Just guessing, I'd say around 150% of the RDA for most things would be a better bet than just going by what the RDA is. Anyone want to discuss?


  2. In as simple terms as I can put it, bodybuilders have more going on at a physiological basis than the regular dude does. Vitamins and minerals act as catalysts for reactions that take place inside the body. Bodybuilders have more going on, therefore, we need more vitamins and minerals. I'm not saying we need a lot more. Just guessing, I'd say around 150% of the RDA for most things would be a better bet than just going by what the RDA is. Anyone want to discuss?
    I'd love to discuss.

    For the most part yeah... I definitely agree with that. I really wouldn't muck around with the low dose RDI trace minerals that much but other than that, unless you are taking beyond tolerable UL levels I'd say its pretty much standard than anyone who leads a physically demanding lifestyle should be supplementing with a multi.

    The RDI/RDA's were designed in mind to, if met, counteract diseases that would come with nutrient deficiency. So basically its the dose that will keep you from developing deficiency diseases and will treat deficiency diseases if you have them.

    The fact that some of these ADA nutritionists and dieticians are still saying you don't need a multi if you have a well constructed diets irks me. Point in fact the quality of most american food sucks and no amount of diet planning is going to increase the declining nutrient quality of our food... Honestly, someday i'm going to bring that whole organization crashing down and piss on its grave. Once I get enough posts so I can post links then everyone can be treated to an ADA rant. Sorry to get heated its just the ignorance of that organization and the stupidity it breeds astounds me.
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  3. You are correct sir, except for the fact that many nutritionist and dieticians don't recommend a multi, many do. The AMA no states that everyone should take a multivitamin daily. But yes, you are absolutely right about the RDAs, they are set to prevent deficiency, not actually provide the level of those substances that the average healthy person should consume to enhance his/her health, and thats the average healthy person, not bodybuilders.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Irish Cannon View Post
    Man, I still can't wait to buy OT...Also, I told my Da' about it, so hopefully he'll grab some for himself. He's kind of cheap when it comes to health supps though; he doesn't understand that there is a difference in quality from one company to another. He usually goes with Wal-mart brand multi-vits.

    Did any one read my post about OT. Your saying some are cheep and some are quality look at my post than get back to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua86 View Post
    Well you have to remember that the RDAs on the back of nutrition labels were created quite a while back. Also, most people on these forums are in a certain bodybuilding mindset. The people who designed the RDAs weren't thinking about bodybuilding. Who knows what research they were going off of. At some point some guy was like, yeah, this looks good, do it. And that's how we got the RDA.. lol

    In as simple terms as I can put it, bodybuilders have more going on at a physiological basis than the regular dude does. Vitamins and minerals act as catalysts for reactions that take place inside the body. Bodybuilders have more going on, therefore, we need more vitamins and minerals. I'm not saying we need a lot more. Just guessing, I'd say around 150% of the RDA for most things would be a better bet than just going by what the RDA is. Anyone want to discuss?
    and this is why: ODIs > RDAs
    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    Did any one read my post about OT. Your saying some are cheep and some are quality look at my post than get back to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    Orange TRIad NOW UPDATED! look at my post.
    are you saying controlled labs OT was a cheap product?

  6. whats the general consensus on ON Opti-Men as a multi?
    I hear about AP a lot, but this is the first I've heard of OT.

    And I was just about to order a MV from NP .....

  7. So what multivitamin would you recommend?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    and this is why: ODIs > RDAs


    are you saying controlled labs OT was a cheap product?
    Yes it would be one of the cheeper products on the market if you read my post in the link i sent you, you would understand why once you look at there raw materials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    Yes it would be one of the cheeper products on the market if you read my post in the link i sent you, you would understand why once you look at there raw materials.
    you sent me a link?

  10. So I read your post DJ and don't see how pointing out that the old formula had an inferior form of Vit D makes the entire product a "cheap product"...unless by "cheap" you mean price and not quality...

  11. Quote Originally Posted by SoCo4Fun View Post
    So I read your post DJ and don't see how pointing out that the old formula had an inferior form of Vit D makes the entire product a "cheap product"...unless by "cheap" you mean price and not quality...
    If there vitamin D was D2 and D2 has been proven to not work what other ingredients did they put in there that does not work? It makes me wonder.
  12. purebred
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad View Post
    you're another confusing poster..you never sent this link to me directly. you simply posted it. anyway..
    Quote Originally Posted by SoCo4Fun View Post
    So I read your post DJ and don't see how pointing out that the old formula had an inferior form of Vit D makes the entire product a "cheap product"...unless by "cheap" you mean price and not quality...
    this dj fella is very vague it seems...likes to beat around the bush a lot.

    say what's on your mind the first time around so we don't have to play the guessing game or harass it out of you, boy!

  13. You're posts are rediculously vague...You point to that other thread as if all of the answers are there but all you really did was compliment them on switching to D3 and post a study....I've read a quite a few of your threads and you seem unable to post any of your own thoughts...all you ever do is regurgitate other people's writing.

  14. I post studies, so yes its not my words but a published study. If you have a problem with published studies complain to the medical community for doing the studies. So you acknowledge there old formula was not good then?

  15. The only thing I acknowledge is your lack of basic communication skills.

  16. updating a product to meet higher standards at no extra cost to the consumer = a good thing, just in case some of us missed it.. *cough*

    great changes

  17. "All the same, the results of the studies on vitamins so far point to one conclusion: Healthy people who eat enough calories from a varied diet do not benefit from multivitamin supplements."


    lol that is who in America? Or in this world for that matter? Its like yeah, obviously someone who gets all the nutrients they require from what they are eating, doesn't need a multi! A great study devoted to stating the obvious. A multi isn't going to save anyone from a heart attack or stroke, who eats unhealthy the rest of the time either and with the diets of the average American/Canadian, Its like pissing on a housefire. Combined with a healthy diet and exercise regimen, I believe a multi fills in the gaps nicely though, for overall health.

  18. Ok so if there are any is there a quality liquid multi? I just get tired of gagging down horse pills all the time.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by fernalfers View Post
    Are Centrum Multi-Vitamins any good?
    The problem with a lot of multivitamins is twofold (from what I have heard): 1) they are ultracompacted and thus never fully are digested and 2) they have fillers such as Ca that lead to poor absorption.

    This could have been the issue with the above study btw...

  20. And, btw, that's not the only study that has found no benefit from multivitamins. Researchers know that low levels of many vitamins causes health issues but the studies (generally speaking) just haven't shown any benefit.

  21. My buddy hooked me up with a box of Lifepak Nano vitamins.....good stuff but who wants to pay $140 for a month's supply...geesh.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by BignBad View Post
    The problem with a lot of multivitamins is twofold (from what I have heard): 1) they are ultracompacted and thus never fully are digested and 2) they have fillers such as Ca that lead to poor absorption.

    This could have been the issue with the above study btw...
    I havn't researched the second part of your post, as for the first, I was told this by a wannabe new age health guru...I went home put 3 different multis in 3 different glasses of water (Mine and my two roomates at the time lol).I went out for dinner and came back roughly 2-2.5 hours later. They were piles of mush in a glass. He said actually, that they NEVER dissolved in our stomachs. I showed him the glasses and asked if he knew how strong the acid in our stomachs is? He never mentioned it again.
    When in doubt, never trust hippies.

  23. a good multivitamin is an essential, even when consuming a great diet. unless you are eating a boatload of local/homegrown organic veggies, grassfed beef, etc., modern agricultural practices have greatly reduced the amount of nutrients in our food.

    only problem with multis is that most of them SUCK. probably the best (i.e. contains the nutrients it says it does, uses bioavailable forms of said vitamins) multi that is widely available would be source naturals "life force".

    i would sign up for the following guide, very solid research. scientific ratings of over 500 multivitamins.

    multivitaminguide.org
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