Carbs necessary to burn fat?
- 01-06-2009, 10:27 AM
Carbs necessary to burn fat?
Been getting confused. Real confused.
I am looking to burn fat and maintain mass. Will be doing a cycle of havoc starting next week so I guess this would not pertain till afterwards.
My question. Is it safe to eat healthy carbs (oatmeal, whole wheat pasta, brown rice, etc...) while looking to burn fat?
- 01-06-2009, 10:30 AM
depends. are you in calorie deficit?
- 01-06-2009, 10:33 AM
I wouldn't consider calorie deficit.
I am trying out the following for eating (while through my cycle as well).
7AM - Protein Shake
8:30 AM - 1 cup oatmeal, 1 egg
10AM - 1 egg
11:30 AM - lunch - 16oz grilled chicken, some kinda green veggie, 1 cup whole wheat pasta
1 PM - 1 egg
2:30 PM - Peanut butter and jelly sandwich on wheat bread
5PM - protein shake
6:30PM - Gym
9PM - Dinner (chicken/steak/fish along with veggie and brown rice) and a protein shake
Any criticism and help is greatly appreciated.
01-06-2009, 11:32 AM
I would like to maintain my muscle mass and lose the stomach fat that I have gotten over the past two months. I was out of the gym on injury and in all honesty paid no attention to diet. Tacked on unwanted weight.
01-06-2009, 02:24 PM
01-06-2009, 03:05 PM
i'd ditch the pb and J's. They're great for bulking, not so much for losing weight.
01-06-2009, 03:12 PM
To answer your topic question. No, carbohydrates are in no way, shape or form necessary to burn fat at all. Carbohydrates purpose is to provide energy.
You can eat carbs and lose fat of course, caloric deficit, carb cycling and the such.
01-06-2009, 04:34 PM
Running the Havoc now to bulk up more before being "completely" dedicated to fat burning. I just don't see worrying about diet/cutting now and then bulking again. I rather do a cycle now and worry about cutting afterwards. That was my original intention.
Does the layout of food look ok otherwise?
01-06-2009, 09:30 PM
Carbohydrates help to regulate the digestion and utilzation of protein and fat thus spares protein for muscle building.
It's all about finding the right ratio of,carbs, fat and protein.
I do agree Calories in, calories out.
01-06-2009, 09:55 PM
I admire you guys' knowledge of this stuff, but for the love of god, could you please just say things as simple or layman as possible. I am not knocking it, but I feel sometimes when a question is asked, by the time myself and the not so knowledgeable others are finished reading the response, we are more confused than before. Like I said no disrespect meant, just speaking out for the ones who chose not to.
01-06-2009, 11:26 PM
4 calories per 1 gram in protein 4 calories per 1 gram carbohydrate. 9 calories in 1 gram fat. It takes more time to burn fat, so if you want to burn fat faster you need fuel.
When the body is in resting state it's using 100% fuel from fats and 0% carbs.
When you are jogging 66% Fats 33% carbs. Sprinting 16% fats, 84% carbs. Think of your body as an engine, the hotter you run the more fuel you use. This is called the (law of thermodynamics) When your body tries to cool itself from an exercise there is an elevation of the body's metabolism.
Remember, it is not how much fat an individual burns that dictates body fat reduction. Instead it is how many calories are burned. That's what I mean by " fat burns in a carbohydrate flame." Maximal fat burning cannot occur without sufficient carbohydrate to continue.
Have you ever noticed why marathon runners drink so much Gatorade throughout the race? Without the carb drinks they will hit what's called "runner's wall". When this happends the body has run out of fuel and cannot convert their fat for energy fast enough.
You will see them drop like fly's.
Another example, I was reading about a guy that swam across some crazy distance over some ocean channel that took a day to complete. The way he was able to do it was he stored a bunch a fat then (Remember more calories in fat) As he swam he consumed high carb drinks throwout the day. By the time he was finished most of the fat was gone. If he did not consume the carbs most likely he would have hit a "wall" within a couple hours. How many calories do you think he burnt?
The goal is not to use protein as the energy source, but the carbohdrate as the main source. Your body would rather cannibalize itself rather than give up it's fat. Our body is programed this way for survival. Protein should be dedicated for growing and maintenance of muscle. The more muscle you have the more calories they burn. When choosing a diet make sure your not striping your carbs too much, but focus on the calories consumed. For me I like the 30%fat 40%Carb 30%Protein.
I hope this makes it clearer for you. Good luck
01-07-2009, 06:50 AM
i don't know how knowledgable i am on the the subject, but i think a lot of it has to do with timing as well. you could get away with eating carbs at certain times like in the morning more than you could at night. the carbs will be broken down into sugars faster than say protein, so they will most likely be stored as fat at night (completely contrary to your goal).
however, you may want to look up ketogenic diets and do some of your own research on those.
01-07-2009, 08:12 AM
All great advice. Thanks guys. I can see why everyone says HIIT burns the most carbs..........
I got into the Arc machine at the gym. Going to do that for 20 min to 1/2 hour after liftin 2 - 3 days a week while on Havoc. Not going overboard.
Afterwards gonna try and hit it 5 days a week.
01-07-2009, 10:04 AM
dietary carbohydrates are conditionally essential, a ketogenic state is both protein and glucose sparing and makes fat the preferential source of burning.
01-07-2009, 10:39 AM
I agree, carbohydrates do help to maximize fat burning, but they aren't essential to the actual process of fat burning is what I'm getting at. If one were to go on a low carb diet, then carb load on the weekends they would have enough carbohydrate energy stored in the muscles to last them through the week.
On a maintenance level diet carbs do spare protein but they also spare fat. Low carb diets spare protein and make more efficient use of the limited glucose that is consumed during the diet.
The man your talking about that swam the chanel, did hit the wall. The wall is the point where glycogen levels are depleted and the body switches over to burning fat as it's primary source of energy.
01-07-2009, 01:55 PM
Fat Burns in a carbohydrate flame???? wtf.
no......fat burns in a calorie deficit. period. end of story.
01-07-2009, 05:50 PM
our body is most efficient burning our excess body fat, when we use carbohydrates as the primary fuel source. We need carbohydrates to do high intensity workouts. Thus the more energy we have the better we train and the more fat we burn afterwards.
carbohydrates are loaded with vitamins, minerals and antioxidants which will only lead to deficiencies and various health problems if we neglect them. They are also our bodies preferred source of energy. I'm only pointing that out.
I'm just sharing what I have learned and practiced.
01-07-2009, 06:04 PM
there are essential fats and amino acids but is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate.....meaning that your body does not require them to operate efficiently.
sure if you are running a marathon or swimming a channel then carbohydrates are useful in replenishing glycogen levels to support performance.
worrying about glycogen replenishment should only be a concern if you are a high level endurance athlete.
glycogen levels should not be a concern if you are a recreational fitness enthusiast or bodybuilder. only if you are severely malnourished will your glycogen levels drop low enough to impact performance during a 1 hr weight training session.
for your 1hr weight workouts and fat loss goals worrying about getting enough carbohydrates is unnecessary because:
1. glycogen replenishment is a 24hr/day process
2. glycogen replenishment can still happen in complete absence of carbohydrate.
Last edited by Hank Vangut; 01-07-2009 at 06:21 PM.
01-07-2009, 06:11 PM
01-07-2009, 06:15 PM
When your glycogen levels are depleted, fat takes a lot longer to brake down via enzymatic H2o-Co2 gas exchange thus keeping up his performance without the extra glycogen intake would be dramatically reduced and results in crash(Wall)
01-07-2009, 06:30 PM
There is a LOT of really good info discussed on this topic in this thread as well.
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01-07-2009, 06:31 PM
01-07-2009, 06:39 PM
01-07-2009, 06:45 PM
Wheat products aren't that great for ya.
Stick with veggies, non-starchy. No sugar, unless it's from fruit. Oh, and you should prob switch from peanut butter to walnut butter.
01-07-2009, 06:54 PM
Never heard about it restoring glycogen levels in the muscles, i'll have to check out the pub med files.
01-07-2009, 07:08 PM
glucose is synthesized through glucneogenisis for all your sugar requirements whether it be muscle, organs, or brain function.
glucose is glucose, so it isn't brain/organ specific.
it is estimated that up to 80% of the glycogen used during intense training is from gluconeogenesis.
01-07-2009, 07:12 PM
01-07-2009, 07:14 PM
yes, in the absence of carbohydrate, glucneogenisis is used to raise depleted muscle glycogen levels even while you are sleeping
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