[matic22]

I know, its a nasty habit that i need to kick but i was just wondering if it can slow up in muscle gains?

[just93]

i really dont think so, it may affect motivation or somethin......but not muscle gain as fare as i know

[suncloud]

yep.

Nicotine is the main ingredient of concern in smokeless tobacco. It is estimated that a normal, 30-minute dip of smokeless tobacco delivers the same amount of nicotine as 3-4 cigarettes. Nicotine affects the brain and central nervous system and changes neurotransmitters levels regulating mood, learning, alertness, and ability to concentrate.

Nicotine can also increase heart rate, constrict blood vessels and reduce circulation. Nicotine can act like a stimulant or a sedative, and causes the release of endorphins, which provide a tranquilizing effect. Finally, nicotine is considered more addictive than crack or alcohol.

If nicotine wasn't bad enough, there is a cocktail of other harmful chemicals associated with smokeless tobacco including: polonium 210 (nuclear waste), formaldehyde (embalming fluid), and arsenic. According to the American Cancer Society, chewing tobacco users are 50 times more likely than non-users to get cancers of the cheek, gums, and inner surface of the lips.

PM for a link if you'd like to read more.

[moklepaul]

I wonder how they get polonium to taste like peach....mmmm...*spit*

[D3vildog]

I dunno, but im on maybe a tin every two weeks, hope to be off it soon... im a fan of the citrus myself tho..

[Irish Cannon]

When done regularly, yes it will.

An occasional dip here and there, say a couple a month, I don't really see that hurting anything.

[Gtarzan81]

Originally Posted by Irish Cannon

When done regularly, yes it will.

An occasional dip here and there, say a couple a month, I don't really see that hurting anything.

Same here.
If your doing a can a day, then you've got other issues to deal with.

[futurepilot]

Originally Posted by Gtarzan81

If your doing a can a day, then you've got other issues to deal with.

[striking]

I have known many guys that smoke or dip and still have great muscle gain. Overall I don't think they felt very effected by it.

On a positive note once they started workoing out their need to smoke or chew greatly decreased. So the compounding effect was they did less and less and their gains got better.

In short it effects you but if you use exercise as a way to fill a vice then your heading in a good direction.

[moklepaul]

I average a tin a week. Used to go through 1 a day, especially when I was working drilling rigs up north.

Only side effect I've noticed so far is having to buy whitening toothpaste

[plenny]

im a can a day guy...fairly built..i have a pinch before the gym. if i dont i feel like i cant function. also, the majority of my can goes from 7am-3pm( at work in the paper mill)

[BulkHogan]

prob give u mouth and throat cancer though.

[Foolish]

Originally Posted by suncloud

yep.

Nicotine is the main ingredient of concern in smokeless tobacco. It is estimated that a normal, 30-minute dip of smokeless tobacco delivers the same amount of nicotine as 3-4 cigarettes. Nicotine affects the brain and central nervous system and changes neurotransmitters levels regulating mood, learning, alertness, and ability to concentrate.

The main ingredient of concern in dip are the TSNA (tobacco specific nitrosamine). Tobacco is a dangerous friend, but nicotine itself is much less venomous.

Nicotine can also increase heart rate, constrict blood vessels and reduce circulation. Nicotine can act like a stimulant or a sedative, and causes the release of endorphins, which provide a tranquilizing effect. Finally, nicotine is considered more addictive than crack or alcohol.

You forgot the enhanced reward mechanism which it shares with *gasp* cocaine and amphetamine!

If nicotine wasn't bad enough, there is a cocktail of other harmful chemicals associated with smokeless tobacco including: polonium 210 (nuclear waste), formaldehyde (embalming fluid), and arsenic. According to the American Cancer Society, chewing tobacco users are 50 times more likely than non-users to get cancers of the cheek, gums, and inner surface of the lips.

There's arsenic in peach pits too, the question is quantity, this type of stuff is (unless otherwise proven) unfounded fear mongering

PM for a link if you'd like to read more.

Can you cite your source? Also comments in bold.

[soultrain]

Originally Posted by TeamSavage

MDMA (Ecstasy) = bad for liver, bad (maybe) for serotonin neurons in brain

And for future reference, here's the short course:
Cocaine = bad for liver
Cocaine + alcohol = very, very, very bad for liver
Heroin/morphine = fine for liver, bad for natty test (with long-term use)
Vicodin/Percocet = bad for liver (due to acetaminophen, not the hydro/oxycodone), bad for natty test (with long-term use)
Meth = bad for just about everything: teeth, skin, brain, liver, sanity, life
Acid, mushrooms = fine for liver, fine for rest of body, no known brain damage, but sometimes bad for sanity
Skoal, Copenhagen = delicious and nutritious

[suncloud]

Originally Posted by Foolish

Can you cite your source? Also comments in bold.

it was a direct quote, not my alterations of it. source is:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sub3.htm

[Foolish]

Originally Posted by suncloud

it was a direct quote, not my alterations of it. source is:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sub3.htm

I didn't say it was your alteration, the source respectively has no sources, I was looking for science to back up the claims that nicotine is evil. But, as I said before, there is some nasty stuff in tobacco itself, but one must differentiate.