matic22
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I know, its a nasty habit that i need to kick but i was just wondering if it can slow up in muscle gains?
Same here. :goodpost:When done regularly, yes it will.
An occasional dip here and there, say a couple a month, I don't really see that hurting anything.
:lol:If your doing a can a day, then you've got other issues to deal with.
Can you cite your source? Also comments in bold.yep.
Nicotine is the main ingredient of concern in smokeless tobacco. It is estimated that a normal, 30-minute dip of smokeless tobacco delivers the same amount of nicotine as 3-4 cigarettes. Nicotine affects the brain and central nervous system and changes neurotransmitters levels regulating mood, learning, alertness, and ability to concentrate.
The main ingredient of concern in dip are the TSNA (tobacco specific nitrosamine). Tobacco is a dangerous friend, but nicotine itself is much less venomous.
Nicotine can also increase heart rate, constrict blood vessels and reduce circulation. Nicotine can act like a stimulant or a sedative, and causes the release of endorphins, which provide a tranquilizing effect. Finally, nicotine is considered more addictive than crack or alcohol.
You forgot the enhanced reward mechanism which it shares with *gasp* cocaine and amphetamine!
If nicotine wasn't bad enough, there is a cocktail of other harmful chemicals associated with smokeless tobacco including: polonium 210 (nuclear waste), formaldehyde (embalming fluid), and arsenic. According to the American Cancer Society, chewing tobacco users are 50 times more likely than non-users to get cancers of the cheek, gums, and inner surface of the lips.
There's arsenic in peach pits too, the question is quantity, this type of stuff is (unless otherwise proven) unfounded fear mongering
PM for a link if you'd like to read more.
:thumbsup:MDMA (Ecstasy) = bad for liver, bad (maybe) for serotonin neurons in brain
And for future reference, here's the short course:
Cocaine = bad for liver
Cocaine + alcohol = very, very, very bad for liver
Heroin/morphine = fine for liver, bad for natty test (with long-term use)
Vicodin/Percocet = bad for liver (due to acetaminophen, not the hydro/oxycodone), bad for natty test (with long-term use)
Meth = bad for just about everything: teeth, skin, brain, liver, sanity, life
Acid, mushrooms = fine for liver, fine for rest of body, no known brain damage, but sometimes bad for sanity
Skoal, Copenhagen = delicious and nutritious
it was a direct quote, not my alterations of it. source is:Can you cite your source? Also comments in bold.
I didn't say it was your alteration, the source respectively has no sources, I was looking for science to back up the claims that nicotine is evil. But, as I said before, there is some nasty stuff in tobacco itself, but one must differentiate.it was a direct quote, not my alterations of it. source is:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/sub3.htm
brotha - not accusing you of accusing me. i just hate site sourcing to another bb website.I didn't say it was your alteration, the source respectively has no sources, I was looking for science to back up the claims that nicotine is evil. But, as I said before, there is some nasty stuff in tobacco itself, but one must differentiate.
brotha - not accusing you of accusing me. i just hate site sourcing to another bb website.
and yes, smoking is so much worse for you.
What about the side effect of the inside of your lip peeling, and waking with the the gum and lip feeling and looking like it was rubbed with sand paper all day the day before? Wait the might have just been the copenhagen snuff I used to eat like candy ...never could chew the flavory fruity kind, made me want to barf. I've been snuff free for a few years, I still get the desire though, I probably always will.I average a tin a week. Used to go through 1 a day, especially when I was working drilling rigs up north.
Only side effect I've noticed so far is having to buy whitening toothpaste
not so sure about that, smoking may give you lung cancer in 30 years or whatever, but dip could put you in the hospital having mouth surgery in just a few years, coming from someone whos done both, dip can be much more dangerous short term, be very carefullbrotha - not accusing you of accusing me. i just hate site sourcing to another bb website.
and yes, smoking is so much worse for you.