[small_guy]

Thinking of ditching post-workout carbs. I am not sure that carbohydrates in the post-workout period are needed and there is research that they have no impact or may even be counter-productive.


Not sure what I want to follow-

1. Just Protein, no carbs, no fat
2. Protein and fat

Looking for thoughts...

[Rodja]

Depends on your goals. If performance is your concern, then you need carbs. Aesthetics varies from person to person.

[jakellpet]

as far as Im aware, you need carbs to spike insulin and drive protein into the muscles

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by jakellpet

as far as Im aware, you need carbs to spike insulin and drive protein into the muscles

Not true. Insulin secretion is not carb exclusive. Leucine for example also elicits an insulin response.

[jakellpet]

Originally Posted by Rodja

Not true. Insulin secretion is not carb exclusive. Leucine for example also elicits an insulin response.

Didn't know that. So in your opinion, what would you recommend dosage-wise for someone of my size?

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by jakellpet

Didn't know that. So in your opinion, what would you recommend dosage-wise for someone of my size?

Of Luecine? 5g would be plenty to kickstart protein synthesis and glycogen synthesis. Carbs are necessary, IMO, but you do not need high GI carbs.

[msucurt]

I honestly belive anything in the likes of the following is fine for shuttling aminos to muscles and to spike insulin. I may try WMS one day, but i believe items such as oats, bananas, etc are just as good.

1. whey + 1/2C oats
2. whey + banana
3. whey + 1/2C rice / rice cakes
4. whey + gatorade powder (never done it ,but assume its decent)
5. when + danon lite-n-fit yogurt

etc....etc...

Originally Posted by Rodja

Of Luecine? 5g would be plenty to kickstart protein synthesis and glycogen synthesis. Carbs are necessary, IMO, but you do not need high GI carbs.

[Usf97j4x4]

Originally Posted by msucurt

I honestly belive anything in the likes of the following is fine for shuttling aminos to muscles and to spike insulin. I may try WMS one day, but i believe items such as oats, bananas, etc are just as good.

1. whey + 1/2C oats
2. whey + banana
3. whey + 1/2C rice / rice cakes
4. whey + gatorade powder (never done it ,but assume its decent)
5. when + danon lite-n-fit yogurt

etc....etc...

You should try Vitargo or Karbolyn, it'll change your mind real quick.

Isn't glycogen replacement a key issue for most?

[natas9]

It's my opinion that a huge insulin spike pwo is way overrated. Generally speaking, of course, since it depends on the individual and the duration/intensity of the workout.
After a heavy leg day, for example, it's a must have for me or I could pass out or have lasting depletion. After an average arm day however, slamming 75g of simple sugar seems completely redundant. I'm not denying the faster assimilation of protein, but having ditched this method for some time now I feel it has affected my gains not in the least. Unless I truly feel depleted, my pwo carbs is a glass of grape juice or gatorade(~30-40g carbs) to transport 10-15g of creatine, then protein, then meal containing slower carbs 1 hour later.

[msucurt]

please tell me why? I dont think the GI has anything to do with insulin response. I think WMS is good, but i do believe oats + whey is pretty solid too.

thanks

Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4

You should try Vitargo or Karbolyn, it'll change your mind real quick.

Isn't glycogen replacement a key issue for most?

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by Usf97j4x4

You should try Vitargo or Karbolyn, it'll change your mind real quick.

Isn't glycogen replacement a key issue for most?

Glycogen replenishment is a process that occurs throughout the day, not in a single feeding.

[ozarkaBRAND]

I prefer a mix of slow and fast digesting carbs.. I usually have 25 grams whey with 20 grams of dextrose, then I down 2 slices of whole sprouted wheat berry bread with 1 tbsp of peanut butter. MMmm!

[jakellpet]

Originally Posted by ozarkaBRAND

I prefer a mix of slow and fast digesting carbs.. I usually have 25 grams whey with 20 grams of dextrose, then I down 2 slices of whole sprouted wheat berry bread with 1 tbsp of peanut butter. MMmm!

I always split mine - have the low GI carbs about an hour postWO. I'm looking to move away from 'empty calorie' sources though - move towards dry fruit etc..

[msucurt]

Im kind of like that too. For my carbs PWO, i would rather consume something in the likes of bananas, grapes, pears, rice, dried fruits, apples, etc ....but again, i havent tried WMS or VITARGO yet either.

Originally Posted by jakellpet

I always split mine - have the low GI carbs about an hour postWO. I'm looking to move away from 'empty calorie' sources though - move towards dry fruit etc..