Poll: Moo Milk or Soy Milk with your Wheaties?

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Moo Milk vs Soy Milk

  1. Moo Milk vs Soy Milk


    What do you have with your Wheaties? Moo Milk? or Soy Milk?

    I start almost every morning with Kashi GoLean just because as a dry cereal, it has a crazy protein content of 13g (and 10g fiber - it's a great cereal). I mix in another 10g of whey protein and some fruit, and top off with a cup of soy milk (adds 7g protein) for a decent 30g of protein for breakfast. Now, after doing more research and being more body-conscious about what I'm actually eating, I'm debating switching back to milk (it does a body good - pass it on), reluctantly.

    I like soy milk because of the long shelf life. With the cost of milk these days, I can get a half gallon of soy milk for about $1.99 shopping smart and buying, say in Aug, you can find expiration dates in early October. Typically, you get 6-7g of protein in a cup. Soy also has protective isoflavones. On the negative side, soy has phyto(plant-based) estrogens. No one agrees on whether or not it may be harmful.

    Milk on the other hand, doesn't last quite as long and can cost just as much or more than the soy. If you don't drink it up, you wasted your cash. It can also has fat in it. (I would go for the skim). And, if you aren't watching where the milk came from, you could be injesting whatever hormones they gave the cows. However, it's a better protein. Typically, you may see 3-4g of protein in a cup.

    Not harmful: drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA312211 (Can Soy Feminize a Boy?)
    Aweful terrible, stop using it now: t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performan ce_diet_nutrition_bodybuilding/the_evils_of_soy

    What's your poison? Moo Milk? or Soy?


  2. I used soy milk in my protein shakes and when I eat cereal or oatmeal. That is, until I read how it gives men oestrogen. I switched to organic rice milk, and believe me, it made a hug difference. Now, I admit that rice milk does not have as much protein as cow milk, but you can make up for that. I also admit that it cost more, but it has a long shelf life. Walmart is your best bet at getting it for about 2.50 for 64oz vs getting it for 6.00 at krogers

  3. Quote Originally Posted by zay1967 View Post
    I used soy milk in my protein shakes and when I eat cereal or oatmeal. That is, until I read how it gives men oestrogen. I switched to organic rice milk, and believe me, it made a hug difference. Now, I admit that rice milk does not have as much protein as cow milk, but you can make up for that. I also admit that it cost more, but it has a long shelf life. Walmart is your best bet at getting it for about 2.50 for 64oz vs getting it for 6.00 at krogers
    You know Zay, I have never considered rice milk. Maybe I should have included that in the poll! How's the taste? Do you have to get flavored rice milk to make it palatable? Or is it great "right out of the box"?

    When you say it made a huge difference, are you saying that you saw an increase in gains once you switched over?
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  4. Leave the soy for soccar moms.
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  5. The taste out of the box is good, but you can buy chocolate or vanilla flavors as well; I use the plain flavor. The difference I am referring to is the consistency of the shakes (not thick and pasty). I also noticed that I was less gassy (a lot less). The gains are probably comparable, but it was more lean. I did the change mainly for the other additional health reasons. Just give it a try for a while and see how it works for you.

  6. I started drinking soy when milk began to give me horrendous gas and the sheits. more vitamins, same protein content, less fat and i would never drink enough of it to matter. beer raises estrogen levels as well but i dont drink soy milk like beer so..

  7. Quote Originally Posted by TripDog View Post
    Leave the soy for soccar moms.
    word.......
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by zay1967 View Post
    I used soy milk in my protein shakes and when I eat cereal or oatmeal. That is, until I read how it gives men oestrogen.
    ditto as to why i stopped

  9. http://www.milksucks.com/index2.asp

  10. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    http://www.milksucks.com/index2.asp

    i love peta

  11. i hardly drink milk on general
  12. Talking


    Whole Moo Cow Titty Milk ftw

  13. soy milk in kashi? Wow - overpriced crap.

    Don't go with skim milk either - go with whole, and organic too if you can afford it - good fat profile and CLA to boot.

    And don't bother overpaying for dry cereals, just go pick up some grains in bulk - way cheap and way tasty. Oats, groats, barley, quinoa, whatever, try 'em, they rock
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  14. doesnt reg milk have like 11g of protein per cup??? and thats a slow release protein at that meaning in the end youll absorb more...(more likely)

    Forget the shelf life, I cant even keep a gallon in my fridge for just over a day!!! Between my son and I we go through 3 gallons every 2 days and we are both big and strong....

    Milk def does a body good.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    http://www.milksucks.com/index2.asp
    you peta you

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Machine Mind View Post
    Whole Moo Cow Titty Milk ftw
    WOOT

  17. soy has actually the perfect carb to protein ratio and is a AWESOME choice to add to your post workout shake.

  18. Regular milk.

    Heavy cream even. Anything but soy.

  19. 2% milk good bit of carbs and protein moderate amount of fat

  20. Florida researcher, Robert Cade, M.D., and his colleagues have identified a milk protein, casomorphin, as the probable cause of attention deficit disorder and autism. They found Beta-casomorphin-7 in high concentrations in the blood and urine of patients with either schizophrenia or autism.

    (AUTISM, 1999, 3)

  21. Animal proteins contain greater amounts of methionine than
    do plant proteins. Milk is liquid meat, and dairy products
    contain high levels of methionine, which has sulfur as its
    center atom. The sulfur converts to sulfates and causes an
    acid condition in the blood that results in cellular
    destruction.

    Here are some values of methionine for 100 gram portions of
    various foods. You will find that a result of consuming
    dairy products and/or eating meat creates a methionine-rich
    and subsequent homocysteine-rich environment of Alzheimer-
    causing substances in human blood serum.

  22. "A drop of sour milk may contain more than 50 million bacteria...certain bacteria, especially organisms belonging to the genera bacillus and clostridium, have the ability to transform themselves into small bodies called spores. The word spore comes from the Greek word for seed. The spore can often withstand drying, the temperature of boiling water (pasteurization), and the action of some germicides. When suitable conditions return, the spore resumes its vegetative form and the bacterium again returns to the usual activities of its normal life cycle."

    Modern Dairy Products, Third Edition Lincoln Lampert

  23. "Milk from cows inoculated with listeria was pooled for 2 to 4 days and then heated at 162 degrees Fahrenheit for 16 seconds in a high-temperature, short-time pasteurization unit. Live listeria bacteria was then successfully isolated from the milk after heat treatment in 11 of 12 pasteurization trials."

    Journal of Environmental Microbiology. July 1987 (53)

  24. "Listeria organisms excreted in cow's milk escaped pasteurization, grew well at refrigerator temperatures, and were ingested by consumers."

    New England Journal of Medicine, 1985, 312 (7)

  25. "There can be Chernobyl-like accidents. One of these occurred in the Chicago area in April, 1985. At a modern, large milk processing plant an accidental 'cross connection' between raw and pasteurized milk occurred. A violent salmonella outbreak followed, killing 4 and making an estimated 150,000 ill."

    Robert Kradjian, M.D. The Milk Letter, August, 1994

  26. "The administration of subtherapeutic doses of antibiotics to livestock introduces selective pressures that may lead to the emergence and dissemination of resistant bacteria. The present findings clearly demonstrate that antibiotic-resistant bacteria in beef and milk pose a serious problem."
    J Food Prot, 1999 Jun, 62:6


    "In 1992, 19,000 deaths were attributed to infections caused by antibiotic- resistant organisms. They played a partial role in another 58,000 deaths that same year."

    Your Health, June 1994

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Rah22491 View Post
    2% milk good bit of carbs and protein moderate amount of fat
    I dig the 2% b/c that fat slows down the digestion

  28. Damn, futurepilot makes me not want to ever eat anything ever again. **** it, i'm moving to Somolia.... A cup of "organic" rice a week should keep me healthy

  29. moo cow fcuk milk worsens my acne. i drink soy milk. better for my milk anyway.

  30. stay away from both altogher..go with Almond or Rice milk...

  31. Quote Originally Posted by ohiostate2827 View Post
    Almond or Rice milk...
    for those that didn't already know: you can make your own rice and almond milk...don't waste your money buying it at the store.

  32. ive never tried anything but real milk.. lol

  33. rice milk cost almost $6 for a half gal at walmart. i make my own

  34. I alway use 2%

  35. Quote Originally Posted by tanboy75019 View Post

    What's your poison? Moo Milk? or Soy?
    Soy is pretty high in estrogen. There are also some studines that show high fat milks are pretty high in estrogen too. The less fat in milk the lower the estrogen content.
  36. purebred
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    dairy aggravates my acne and sinuses. itchy, watery eyes, runny nose...i get the works if i decide to splurge on some ben n jerry's. i also noticed i get an upset stomach and get headaches after consuming dairy milk, in particular

  37. no problem with cow milk here. love it.
  

  
 

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