julius kelp
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must be on a very temporary basis, i mean really...
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michael phelps: how is this possible?
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hardknock
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Well, it was listed at 9,000 calories a day, but with sometimes swimming for hours, upon hours, I can see how it MAY be possible; however, that would be a sh!t load of food, especially if it's all clean which Im sure it's not completely.
EDIT: a few years ago, it was listed at 9,000, then 10,000..so, dunno about this listing.
EDIT: a few years ago, it was listed at 9,000, then 10,000..so, dunno about this listing.
RobInKuwait
Registered User
He swims 5 hours a day and has godlike genetics.
Tanya Zuckerbrot is an idiot tho. She said, "obviously its working" as if Phelps crappy diet somehow elevated him to Olympian status.
raginfcktard
Active member
those guys eat like sh!t thats why! marathon runners do the same thing. 12,000 cals a day is not clean food!
GreenSquats
Active member
Swimming makes you hungry.
Just try it.
LOL. I think it's like a stimulant for hunger or something... I dunno.
Just try it.
LOL. I think it's like a stimulant for hunger or something... I dunno.
borobulker
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I had an argument with my girlfriends parents about this tonight at dinner.
They are always trying to prove that 'my nutrition thing' is wrong. The news depicts this guy eating '10,000 calories' a day and look he is lean as any one i have ever seen.
My point was, beyond all.... the effects on his body must be terrible. He is speaking of a diet consisting of
1. Fried Food
2. Trans Fats
3. Heavy Saturated Fats
4. Very little lean protein
5. Simple Sugars
6. Processed carbohydrates
Not to mention the effects of simply eating this many calories.
AND this is all at the direction of his 'nutritionist'. She was interviewed on the show we were watching and said something about 'athletes need carbs!' and then they showed him eating 6 pancakes, off of the griddle, sopped in syrup with him scooping multi-Teaspoons of butter on to it.
What is this doing to his organs? Pancreas? Heart? Circulatory sytem? I could go on.
There is a difference between eating for health and eating for performance but i think (i know i am going to get flamed for this) this is inaccurate, inefficient, incorrect and ignorant.
The guy is obviously one of the best athletes ever but i 100% disagree with his dietary habits. But, who am i?
i have an idea, "www.thephelpsdiet.com". It would sell 'like hotcakes'.
What a f_cking joke...
They are always trying to prove that 'my nutrition thing' is wrong. The news depicts this guy eating '10,000 calories' a day and look he is lean as any one i have ever seen.
My point was, beyond all.... the effects on his body must be terrible. He is speaking of a diet consisting of
1. Fried Food
2. Trans Fats
3. Heavy Saturated Fats
4. Very little lean protein
5. Simple Sugars
6. Processed carbohydrates
Not to mention the effects of simply eating this many calories.
AND this is all at the direction of his 'nutritionist'. She was interviewed on the show we were watching and said something about 'athletes need carbs!' and then they showed him eating 6 pancakes, off of the griddle, sopped in syrup with him scooping multi-Teaspoons of butter on to it.
What is this doing to his organs? Pancreas? Heart? Circulatory sytem? I could go on.
There is a difference between eating for health and eating for performance but i think (i know i am going to get flamed for this) this is inaccurate, inefficient, incorrect and ignorant.
The guy is obviously one of the best athletes ever but i 100% disagree with his dietary habits. But, who am i?
i have an idea, "www.thephelpsdiet.com". It would sell 'like hotcakes'.
What a f_cking joke...
Rugger
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Troof. Extreme runners, like the 100+ mile races eat bigmacs and other food like that while they're actually running. A girl I'm friends with at school is one of these runners. She says on the day before and the day of her training runs (something like 20 hrs straight) she eats over 17k calories.
They only reason they eat like this is because it is not physically plausible for them to eat the amount of healthy foods that would equal the caloric intake of the foods that they do it.
SpargelJanusz
Member
Sorry, but this is complete BS, 17k calories in less than 20 hours.
Same for the 12k of Phelps. He'd be consuming more cal than your average sumo wrestler.
Chuck Liddell, MMA great and certainly someone who knows about intense training said in an interview he needs to consume 4,200 or 4,400 kcal to maintain his weight. He walks around at about 220 pounds.
So Phelps almost eats almost three times as much???
Camon, people, this is crap.
RobInKuwait
Registered User
Not many people do 5 hours of olympic level and intensity swimming ED, Chuck included.
Rugger
Well-known member
You obviously have no idea how difficult and taxing swimming is. You also obviously have no idea how to read as I said my friend eats that much over 48 hour period.
Deegin
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I remember seeing a show on TV where a group of marathon bikers who were all decked out in race gear came in to a diner, sat down and ordered giant slices of apple pie with heaping scoops of ice cream on top. When asked why they were eating that they responded, "we need the calories for fuel."
BigCasino
Member
Very true. My university has a D1 swim team, and I am close friends with several of the guys on it. These guys eat complete **** and are all shredded with abs jutting out. They all eat fast food like McDonalds, Burger King, etc to get in those calorie #s. Their coach encourages them to eat Kraft Mac n' Cheese, pizza, cookies, etc. Obviously this is complete crap food, but it works for them because they spend hours in the pool everyday.... often they have 2 practice sessions day, morning & night, so you figure they are burning up a massive amount of calories. Before big meets they go on a "carb up" and go as a team to some place with shitty junk food just to load up on cals, and they do well @ their meets so it is working for them.
Phelps does have godlike swimming abilities and is a world champ, but I don't get how some of you can be THAT blown away by his body? 6'3" 190 lean ... that's pretty normal physique for D1 swimmer @ most top schools. ****, our own AM's vikinginc is that height and is like 8% 228lbs. That's impressive. I've been watching with a lot of friends lately and they are all making comments about how 'gigantic' he is, anyone with decent mass looks big @ that bf%. His body is perfectly suited for what it needs to be good @, swimming, but if someone wanted a look like that it would not be that difficult to obtain IMO.
JaredGalloway
Well-known member
this isnt impossible by any means...me and my brother have eaten over 12k calories in one day...but for me i gained fat...my brother jsut got fuller...if he doesnt time all those calories properly my brother will still lose weight (running...ALOT)...these people who burn this many calories a day need lots of food...doesnt mater what it is...just CALORIES...ive seen my brother eat an entire jar of peanut butter in one sitting because he was losing too much weight during pre-season...
and hes not even an olympic gold medalist..."a champion knows what he wants, knows what he needs to do, what it takes to get it. He wants it bad enough to work through the pain"......:frustrate:frustrate
and hes not even an olympic gold medalist..."a champion knows what he wants, knows what he needs to do, what it takes to get it. He wants it bad enough to work through the pain"......:frustrate:frustrate
borobulker
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Agree to disagree.
Nabisco
Well-known member
I used to be a swimmer, and I had to eat 4000+ calories to maintain a bodyweight of 150lbs at 5'11. And that was heavily loaded towards carbs. Otherwise I couldn't perform to the degree required of me.
In college my girlfriend was on our D1 swim team and she ate like absolute **** just to maintain herself at a reasonable weight. I kid you not, the guys on her team drank like fish, ate whatever they could force down their mouths, and didn't care what it was as long as it was food. And the majority of them were lean and cut. Because they were swimming two a day practices 3 times a week, and the other 3 days per week that the practiced was one pool workout and one "dry land" workout (calisthenics or weight training). They could consume upwards of 6-7k calories per day without batting an eyelash.
Swimming is an intense sport that requires a large caloric expenditure, hence their ability to eat large quantities of food and stay lean.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a healthy diet for them in any way. Because when they stop swimming they have issues adjusting to everyday life (food-wise). For instance, my ex-gf who was the D1 swimmer, put on a sizeable amount of weight after she graduated due to her eating habits that were perfectly ok when she was swimming incredible amounts.
The disbelief that he requires that many calories is ignorant, due to most of you not realizing the caloric expenditure that comes from swimming. Phelps swims 4800 meters in the morning to "warm up", thats 3 miles gents. I'm not surprised he has to eat 10k+ calories to maintain his body DURING the Olympics. I don't believe he eats like this every day. I think this is geared towards keeping him flush with energy during the multitude of events he's swimming in such a short period of time.
In college my girlfriend was on our D1 swim team and she ate like absolute **** just to maintain herself at a reasonable weight. I kid you not, the guys on her team drank like fish, ate whatever they could force down their mouths, and didn't care what it was as long as it was food. And the majority of them were lean and cut. Because they were swimming two a day practices 3 times a week, and the other 3 days per week that the practiced was one pool workout and one "dry land" workout (calisthenics or weight training). They could consume upwards of 6-7k calories per day without batting an eyelash.
Swimming is an intense sport that requires a large caloric expenditure, hence their ability to eat large quantities of food and stay lean.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a healthy diet for them in any way. Because when they stop swimming they have issues adjusting to everyday life (food-wise). For instance, my ex-gf who was the D1 swimmer, put on a sizeable amount of weight after she graduated due to her eating habits that were perfectly ok when she was swimming incredible amounts.
The disbelief that he requires that many calories is ignorant, due to most of you not realizing the caloric expenditure that comes from swimming. Phelps swims 4800 meters in the morning to "warm up", thats 3 miles gents. I'm not surprised he has to eat 10k+ calories to maintain his body DURING the Olympics. I don't believe he eats like this every day. I think this is geared towards keeping him flush with energy during the multitude of events he's swimming in such a short period of time.
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
It comes as a shock to many, as very few train like this. The truth is that they can, and in some cases MUST eat like that... diet changes drastically from bodybuilding to athletics. Try getting into the pool for an intensive 30 minute session, and see how your body feels after that. A swimmer of Phelp's magnitude swims twice as fast, and ~10 times as long, literally. Calorie expenditure is way, way above what the average guy burns in the gym. Maintaining performance demands fuel, and if you can't provide the raws, you just won't last. It's brutish, and sounds improper, but you have to understand how much these guys demand of their bodies. Whole different game.
Edit - I pretty much just reiterated what you wrote Nabisco, after I read it back to myself...lol. Probably just should have said, "+1 Agreement!" haha
Highlanda01602
Well-known member
AnabolicsMinds.com user challenge? 60m a week? haha
I'm so fascinated by the amount of work he, and other swimmers like himself, throw down. It's simply just amazing to be able to do that much work. Serious athleticism. So impressive.... I swam a mile in the pool not too long ago, and that **** is absolutely intense. It's no joke.... and he triples my workout for his warmup. So freakin' cool.
Shatter
New member
It's not a healthy diet but I do not think it will make much of a difference at Phelp's age. People underestimate how efficient our body is at maintaining homeostasis. Obviously, as people age our bodies become less efficient. If Phelps was still eating this kind of junk at 30, it might start to become a problem.
And to the person talking about Phelp's physique being unimpressive, not everyone is a bodybuilder. It's not like the guy walks around claiming he will win bb comps, he has a fantastic swimming physique and that's all that matters. I find it a bit silly when people lessen someone's athletic achievements because they don't have 18' arms. On a side note, Phelps and Bernard have shoulders wider than my wing span!
Timmo
Member
In the words of kevin garnett "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!!!!"
hahaha, a friend of mine is a university swimmer and thier whole team eats a bunch of trash before and during swim meets, I used to do the same before a basketball game in high school, just eat whatever I wanted, I knew I would burn it off during the game.
hahaha, a friend of mine is a university swimmer and thier whole team eats a bunch of trash before and during swim meets, I used to do the same before a basketball game in high school, just eat whatever I wanted, I knew I would burn it off during the game.
Nitrox
Board Supporter
If he is 6'3" then he will need more energy across the board as compared to someone with average height.
He is an olympic athlete. 1000 calories per hour of training is not out of the question.
He is a swimmer. He may need additional energy to keep body temp up due to greater heat loss while in water.
So before we can say whether 12k calories is right or wrong, we need a specific breakdown of daily activity. It is certainly possible if he trains 6-8 hours per day.
He is an olympic athlete. 1000 calories per hour of training is not out of the question.
He is a swimmer. He may need additional energy to keep body temp up due to greater heat loss while in water.
So before we can say whether 12k calories is right or wrong, we need a specific breakdown of daily activity. It is certainly possible if he trains 6-8 hours per day.
lonewolf0420
Well-known member
Last night on NBC, they said he consumes 4000 cals a day.
Rodja
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Using Chuck Liddell as an example does not help your cause. Liddell and sound nutrition is an oxymoron.
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raginfcktard
Active member
wow we are still arguing about this...we all could do half of that easily on shitty food and most of us don't train over 2hrs a day including cardio. hell i don't even do cardio and i have to eat like a horse just to maintain my weight.
anyone remember the meal 1-10 from mcdonalds thread...did that tool ever do it cause i don't know...and i am sure he was a nobody. what about competition eaters that can eat like 10lbs of food in one sitting. sure its not healthy but can easily be done!
anyone remember the meal 1-10 from mcdonalds thread...did that tool ever do it cause i don't know...and i am sure he was a nobody. what about competition eaters that can eat like 10lbs of food in one sitting. sure its not healthy but can easily be done!
Hbs6
Member
elite athlete. Crazy genetics. Trains incredibly hard...this isnt that out of countrol. Athletes eat different then bodybuilders like most of the people are around here. This man dominates world competition, and people are shocked when he can consume a ton of kcals? It isnt that big of a deal or even that unthinkable.
julius kelp
Active member
i'm still skeptical, although it seems feasible he could do ALOT of calories during competition especially. i don't think that eating all crap & energy drinks is the only way to get the calories at all. in fact, that's gonna be alot of empty cals that could be easier thrown down as optimal calorie dense ones. it is true he is young & can get away with alot too. i think i'll try to find out how many cals Lance Armstrong does! here's some insights into his training:
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Highlanda01602
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Is it wrong to become ravenously hungry for junk food after reading about his diet? I better take a walk before I do something stupid!
hardknock
Well-known member
Your right on one point, but if your talking about a body builder who has TIME TO SIT BACK and strategically plan each meal, and who trains 3 hours a day, getting ready for 2-3 events per year, then yes; however, when you are an Olympic athlete, who trains hours, upon hours a day, and swims in multiple events EVERY year, all year, then the op to strategically plan calorie dense meals goes out the window, to say the least. I doubt he eats this way during the Olympics, but Im sure it's close...
hardknock
Well-known member
Hell, I can remember when I was a sprinter in HS and College, I ate about 6k on some days just to maintain energy due to a severely over active metabolism. We'd train 3 sessions a day, and those were 400 meter sessions which lasted for 2-3 hours, which also includes short sprints and weight lifting 5 days a week. 6k a about 4 days a week, and I was walking around at 150ish
John Smeton
Legend
Of course I believe he eats 10 k per day, provided he's doing hours upon hours of training.You have too. and with all that activity the junk food doesn't effect you like it would if you weren't doing it.
does he do this year round? No I'm sure he gives himself a break from training and eats clean> I was out tonight at a sports bar with a friend and saw him, he is in good condition. Nice back
does he do this year round? No I'm sure he gives himself a break from training and eats clean> I was out tonight at a sports bar with a friend and saw him, he is in good condition. Nice back
DAdams91982
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Bottom line, easily doable for phelps.
And what is this with criticizing his body. WTF? I dont care if he is a fat ass, his athleticism is unmatched... regardless if he is raging 19+ guns.
This is just ridiculous. Always something to ***** about.
Adams
And what is this with criticizing his body. WTF? I dont care if he is a fat ass, his athleticism is unmatched... regardless if he is raging 19+ guns.
This is just ridiculous. Always something to ***** about.
Adams
dynomite
Banned
i could not even get through this entire thread because of all the retarded posts from people critiquing Phelp's diet. The guy has 2 eat immense amounts of food. He has won 8 gold medals. **** he practically has a throne next to Zues on mount Olympus. I know that no one on this board trains like he does, if you did you would be on a different board. Actually you wouldnt even be killing time on any board.
bottom line I would listen to Phelps about health/diet/excercise before i listened to anybody on here. **** i would listen to him about anything before i listened to anyone on here.
bottom line I would listen to Phelps about health/diet/excercise before i listened to anybody on here. **** i would listen to him about anything before i listened to anyone on here.
julius kelp
Active member
ok. lance armstrong said (one account) that he did about 3k/day normally & did 6k when competing. thats probably a good amount of carbs for a thin guy looking to have alot of endurance. he inferred it was quality food as well.
warnerve
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damn, I need to take up swimming.
buff18
New member
Bottom line...if Phelps was eating 12000 calories a day(especially what that guy listed he was eating) he would go around sweating and farting all day. In fact, he'd probably spend most of the day on the toilet or either being bloated.
No way he takes in anymore than 4000 to 6000 calories a day during "intense" training. When not training, if he takes in more than 3000 to 3500 a day a man his weight would start storing small amounts of body fat.
Phelps was probably having fun with someone. Either that, or he's a genius. I can see it now..future generations of fat swimmers chow down everywhere.
No way he takes in anymore than 4000 to 6000 calories a day during "intense" training. When not training, if he takes in more than 3000 to 3500 a day a man his weight would start storing small amounts of body fat.
Phelps was probably having fun with someone. Either that, or he's a genius. I can see it now..future generations of fat swimmers chow down everywhere.
Gutterpump
Banned
I tend to agree. I heard on TV how he told them he drinks 1000 calories in energy drinks for lunch everyday, and about the same for breakfast.
A normal can of Monster Energy (green can) has 200 calories. 54 grams of simple sugar. And around 200mg of caffeine plus a lot of other things per serving.
10-20 of these everyday?? Drinking energy drinks for extra calories??? Wouldn't that BURN extra calories?? Just doesn't make sense... adrenal fatigue, overstimulation, burnout, damage to kidney/liver functioning....all doesn't add up IMO. Sounds like a bunch of BS.
Nate Dawg
Active member
That nutritionist that was quoted in the article is an idiot, did anyone catch this statement:
"The carbs is what the body uses for energy. You have to give the body glucose to fuel it. That’s why people on the Atkins diet (an all-protein diet) can’t work-out.”
There are a TON of BB'ers that run keto diets and do just fine without carbs, it sucks at the beginning but once your body switches to using fats for fuel its fine. Plus the atkins is not all protein like she said, the majority of it is fat with the rest being protein. I also dont believe the energy drink consumption, drink 5-16oz energy drinks and pretty sure you wouldnt being feeling too great.
"The carbs is what the body uses for energy. You have to give the body glucose to fuel it. That’s why people on the Atkins diet (an all-protein diet) can’t work-out.”
There are a TON of BB'ers that run keto diets and do just fine without carbs, it sucks at the beginning but once your body switches to using fats for fuel its fine. Plus the atkins is not all protein like she said, the majority of it is fat with the rest being protein. I also dont believe the energy drink consumption, drink 5-16oz energy drinks and pretty sure you wouldnt being feeling too great.
RobInKuwait
Registered User
I agree shes an idiot, but for high intensity workouts like swimming, fueling off fats is not optimal. If Phelps went Atkins, keto or CKD, his performance would probably suffer.
ono
Member
If the intesnity is to high fat cannot be adequately used as fuel as it cannot be broken down fast enough to meet energy requirements.
And yeah, there's no way Phelps could be anywhere near as competitive on the Atkins diet. You are right.
ono
Member
If the exercise intensity is too high, fat cannot be oxidised quick enough to be the sole provider of energy. Not sure what intensity his swimming his but i'm guessing it's pretty high....say 70 volume max - if this was the case fat could contribute to about 20% of his energy needs...at best.