how much protein is too much?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mister ed View Post
    uhhhh is there such a thing as water-to-protein ratio? say i have 192g protein (by the trusty 1g per pound) a day... do i need to drink a certain amount of water just to deal with that amount of protein? It sounds bad, but the one thing I reliably forget to do is drink enough water during the day.

    AND

    is the 1g per pound the amount i should eat regardless, or is that more of a "if you are building" number?

    thanks

    if you eat a lot of protein i would say 2:1 protein to water ratio, and the water is in ounces and protein in grams


  2. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    how is that any different from taking in the same extra calories in carbs? beyond the fact that taking it as protein causes minimal insulin response unlike carbs?
    The severity of insulin response depends on the carbohydrate and the individual person (as you no doubnt know). Protein also produces an insulin response.

    The problem with fulfilling your carbohydrate requirements with protein would potentially be kidney damage because the amino group is removed from the amino acid and is converted to ammonia and then to urea (because ammonia is toxic). If too much urea passes through the kidneys, it can lead to kidney damage and water retention. It's the acid group that is converted to carbohydrate and excess acid can cause calcium to leach from the bones because it provides a buffer to alkalise the body's environment

    Another potential problem with getting the majority of your carbohydrate requirements from protein would be that you wouldn't be consuming other important nutrients which help with your performance not to mention the lack of fibre that would be present in your diet.

    In answer to your question, going slightly overboard with your protein requirements shouldn't stress your body too much...maybe with the exception of possible kidney damage if it's something that has happened over a long period of time.

    Personally i think carbohydrates are cheaper than protein sources anyway so i'm quite happy getting my energy needs mainly from carbohydrate. I do think there is a general misconception (not saying it's one you share) that excess protein can be stored directly as muscle in the same vain as carbohydrate and fat, and as a result of this people are skeptical about reducing their protein intake - for the fear of losing muscle.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mapshooter View Post
    So, the next logical arguement in this thread is:

    Have any of you LOWERED your protein intake and seen improved body compostion results in comparison to your previous consumption? Say, going from 200 g/day to like 120 g/day . . . but thats just an arbitrary reference point
    Yes

    I started my sports nutrition diploma and following the advice contained in the course, i reduced my protein intake from 250g per day to 140. I also (and this is what i feel is the important bit) i made sure muscle glycogen levels were as full as possible before training and i made sure i sufficiently re-fulled afterwards. Anyway without going into too much detail i added 3/4 inch onto my arms in around 5 weeks. It was a big deal to me because previously it had taken my quite a lot longer to achieve the same gains.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Yes

    I started my sports nutrition diploma and following the advice contained in the course, i reduced my protein intake from 250g per day to 140. I also (and this is what i feel is the important bit) i made sure muscle glycogen levels were as full as possible before training and i made sure i sufficiently re-fulled afterwards. Anyway without going into too much detail i added 3/4 inch onto my arms in around 5 weeks. It was a big deal to me because previously it had taken my quite a lot longer to achieve the same gains.

    sports nutrition? ISSA or through a school, im taking one through ISSA but i want a degree in it im currently in school to get an RD, but not really what i like, clinical is not my thingi

    if you dont mind me asking where u taking this course?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    sports nutrition? ISSA or through a school, im taking one through ISSA but i want a degree in it im currently in school to get an RD, but not really what i like, clinical is not my thingi

    if you dont mind me asking where u taking this course?
    It's home study with exams at the end of it.

    It's through premier global training. It's REPS accredited so thats a good thing. How are you finding it?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    It's home study with exams at the end of it.

    It's through premier global training. It's REPS accredited so thats a good thing. How are you finding it?
    i like the ISSA one, its a little repetitive, but its good, the hardest thing is remembering the sports values for all the vitamins which are much higher then the RDAs

    its conflicts with what i learned in school , which isnt really anything i didnt know .

  7. Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    Yes

    I started my sports nutrition diploma and following the advice contained in the course, i reduced my protein intake from 250g per day to 140. I also (and this is what i feel is the important bit) i made sure muscle glycogen levels were as full as possible before training and i made sure i sufficiently re-fulled afterwards. Anyway without going into too much detail i added 3/4 inch onto my arms in around 5 weeks. It was a big deal to me because previously it had taken my quite a lot longer to achieve the same gains.
    So, you basically replaced protein calories with carb calories and scheduled them around your workout. Interesting. How many times/day did you eat? How many cals/day. How much fat were you eating?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    i like the ISSA one, its a little repetitive, but its good, the hardest thing is remembering the sports values for all the vitamins which are much higher then the RDAs

    its conflicts with what i learned in school , which isnt really anything i didnt know .
    yeah there's a lot to take in regarding vitamins and minerals in my course. There's also a big section on food contamination aswell which i could have done without. All in all it's ok tho

  9. Quote Originally Posted by ono View Post
    yeah there's a lot to take in regarding vitamins and minerals in my course. There's also a big section on food contamination aswell which i could have done without. All in all it's ok tho

    yea, the dieting stuff i dont agree with, i think if you diet, ketosis is key with a moderate fat (healthy) and high protein, and low low carbs,


    they do the whole calorie counting, i dont count calories, i count macros. all calories are not created equal

  10. If protein is too high you risk gluconeogenesis.


    The question is, when taking AAS into account, how much more protein could you use or synthesize without reaching gluconeogenesis?

    If you can sythesize 50x more...

  11. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    yea, the dieting stuff i dont agree with, i think if you diet, ketosis is key with a moderate fat (healthy) and high protein, and low low carbs,


    they do the whole calorie counting, i dont count calories, i count macros. all calories are not created equal
    Hmm suppose they have to go safety first tho don't they.

    I can't really argue anyway, since i've followed the advice in there, results have been brilliant. Much better than the progress i was making from moderate carbs - 300g of protein per day anyway

  12. Quote Originally Posted by mapshooter View Post
    So, you basically replaced protein calories with carb calories and scheduled them around your workout. Interesting. How many times/day did you eat? How many cals/day. How much fat were you eating?
    I was eating every 3 hours.

    High carb breakfast (low gi)

    moderate -low throughout the day (low gi)

    150g 3 hours before workout (low gi)

    70 immediately after (high gi)

    50 one hour later (high gi)

    50 one hour later (moderate gi)

    50 one hour later (low gi)

    Fat intake was around 45g

    Oh and apparently you only need an extra 1.5g protein and 30g of carbs to support 1lb muscle increase.

    Again it worked for me. Sure people will disagree with it, but all i can say i've honestly made more progress in these last 2 months then i had previously made in about 8.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by CryingEmo View Post
    If protein is too high you risk gluconeogenesis.


    The question is, when taking AAS into account, how much more protein could you use or synthesize without reaching gluconeogenesis?

    If you can sythesize 50x more...
    It doesn't say in my course

  14. According to Fitday, I take in 540g of protein on workout days, about 70-100g/meal.

    *shrugs*

    Works for me.

    I also drink 2-3+ gallons of water a day.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by shaddow View Post
    According to Fitday, I take in 540g of protein on workout days, about 70-100g/meal.

    *shrugs*

    Works for me.

    I also drink 2-3+ gallons of water a day.
    That's a lot.
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