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  1. shouldn't 1,4ad kick-in quicker than the typical injectable EQ/Bold since there is no ester attached?

    why then are such long cycles recommended?

    if i were to use only orals, i would run just a 6 week cycle of 1,4ad + a methyl (maybe a mild one like halo or pulse something harder).

    otherwise i would stack it with a test base and run for over 10 weeks.


  2. The fact that it isn't 'methylated' means a lesser incidence of toxicity and thus you can run this 12 or even 16 weeks. Try this with Havoc, SD, or PP and see where you're at.

    1,4AD is a great primary hormone and there isn't any need to run another ph/ps/steroid. If you got good results from nordiol/andro then this would be a good choice.

    As for cost it isn't nearly that bad. It's $45/month, what do other phs costs? Sure you may need to run it two months but you don't need ancillary products to control bp or liver toxicity so it's essentially awash.

    I don't quite understand the use of adding in another ph. Doing so will mean you need a SERM for PCT, though I'd run one anyways. And front loading to spur gains seems a bit short-sighted. Chances for full HPTA suppression are increased and you're then going to spend the next 8 weeks like this?

    But to each their own. Most of us have enough experience that we know what works for us. I'm taking this as a standalone for 12 weeks at 1g/day. I'll get panels on week 10 to see if I need a SERM for PCT. I'm not taking Cycle Support nor any other ancillaries to control bp, cholesterol, or liver values. We'll see just how 'bad' it is.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by ersatz View Post
    1,4AD is a great primary hormone and there isn't any need to run another ph/ps/steroid. If you got good results from nordiol/andro then this would be a good choice.

    As for cost it isn't nearly that bad. It's $45/month, what do other phs costs? Sure you may need to run it two months but you don't need ancillary products to control bp or liver toxicity so it's essentially awash.

    I don't quite understand the use of adding in another ph. Doing so will mean you need a SERM for post cycle therapy, though I'd run one anyways. And front loading to spur gains seems a bit short-sighted. Chances for full HPTA suppression are increased and you're then going to spend the next 8 weeks like this?

    But to each their own. Most of us have enough experience that we know what works for us. I'm taking this as a standalone for 12 weeks at 1g/day. I'll get panels on week 10 to see if I need a SERM for post cycle therapy. I'm not taking Cycle Support nor any other ancillaries to control bp, cholesterol, or liver values. We'll see just how 'bad' it is.
    do you even know what you are taking?
    1,4ad converts to into the steroid hormone equipoise/boldenone.
    no serm needed if run solo you say???

    equipoise will cause a suppression of your hormones, such as endogenous testosterone.
    this is why it is recommended stacking it with testosterone.
    this is also why a quality post cycle therapy is important.
    failure to do so could result in possible sexual dysfunction and other sides.

    if you treat this like this is a harmless little supplement you will regret it later.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    do you even know what you are taking?
    1,4ad converts to into the steroid hormone equipoise/boldenone.
    no serm needed if run solo you say?

    equipoise will cause a suppression of your hormones, such as endogenous testosterone.
    this is why it is recommended stacking it with testosterone.
    this is also why a quality post cycle therapy is important.
    failure to do so could result in possible sexual dysfunction and other sides.

    if you treat this like this is a harmless little supplement you will regret it later.
    Is it true that supplementation of a good herbal test booster + 6-OXO would be good enough for PCT?

  5. So I would assume hunger is increased with 1,4ad?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by onelife View Post
    So I would assume hunger is increased with 1,4ad?
    Yes, very much so from what I have heard.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    Is it true that supplementation of a good herbal test booster + 6-OXO would be good enough for post cycle therapy?
    i would say NO, it is not enough. unless you don't care about potential sides and keeping your gains post cycle.

    most are running 1,4ad for 2+ months.
    after that long of a run you will be shut down and will need a serm to restart natural hormone production.

    for some reason people seem to think that just because this is not methylated, it is not as suppressive on the hpta.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    i would say NO, it is not enough. unless you don't care about potential sides and keeping your gains post cycle.

    most are running 1,4ad for 2+ months.
    after that long of a run you will be shut down and will need a serm to restart natural hormone production.
    I will be doing 8 weeks as follows:
    weeks 1-2 500mg
    3-4 600mg
    5-6 700mg
    7-8 800mg

    Judging by that should I still need a SERM?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    I will be doing 8 weeks as follows:
    weeks 1-2 500mg
    3-4 600mg
    5-6 700mg
    7-8 800mg

    Judging by that should I still need a SERM?

    If you are that unsure about it, I would not use a hormonal product at all. It is not just a supplement.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    I will be doing 8 weeks as follows:
    weeks 1-2 500mg
    3-4 600mg
    5-6 700mg
    7-8 800mg

    Judging by that should I still need a SERM?
    anything hormonal will throw your ballance off!! You need to run a serm with any cycle! Not flaming,just trying to help.
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  11. if it were me, i would use a serm for even a short mildly suppressive cycle.

    you will probably recover fine without a serm.

    just your hormone profile may be jacked longer than necessary following this cycle.
    and as i mentioned before this could lead to unwanted sides and you will likely lose some of or all of your gains if you are shut down for an extended period.

  12. haha...trip.
    we said the same thing.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    If you are that unsure about it, I would not use a hormonal product at all. It is not just a supplement.
    I thought I was sure... I read most of a 21 page thread over at bb.com and an iForce (1,4AD Bold by iForce = 1,4AD) rep stated that you don't need a SERM and that supplementing Testobolan would be good enough. I bunch of people in that thread ran cycles w/o SERM's and seemed to do just fine that way. I was pretty sure after reading that thread that SERM's would not be needed. I'd rather be safe than sorry, but I'm living on limited amounts of cash at the moment and a Nolva would run me another 60+ shipping.



    Read those two new posts also, I'll throw down for the SERM. Should I go with Nolva or Clomid?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    haha...trip.
    we said the same thing.
    i think you owe me a beer or something now.....haha
    The LORD is my rock, my fortress, and my savior; my God is my rock, in whom I find protection. He is my shield, the power that saves me, and my place of safety.-Psalm 18:2

  15. it may just be brotelligence, 1,4 seems universally considered to kick in slow. No further information on tap.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    I thought I was sure... I read most of a 21 page thread over at bb.com and an iForce (1,4AD Bold by iForce = 1,4AD) rep stated that you don't need a SERM and that supplementing Testobolan would be good enough. I bunch of people in that thread ran cycles w/o SERM's and seemed to do just fine that way.
    He lied.

    As for those that 'ran stupid' & got away with it: russian roulette only kills 18 percent of the players, right? Problem is, if you keep playing you'll eventually join the lucky 18...

    Same here: your body may SHOW no bad reactions this time, maybe not the next time either, or the next 5 times after that - but if they keep playing that stupid "game", they WILL eventually get 'lucky'.

    Don't be one of them!
    Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    Read those two new posts also, I'll throw down for the SERM. Should I go with Nolva or Clomid?
    YES

  17. Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard View Post
    it may just be brotelligence, 1,4 seems universally considered to kick in slow. No further information on tap.

    It does kick in slow, what is broteligence is that people think that they have to run really high doses!. I think this may have happened..."Well I am running 1,4 at 400mg daily and its been 2 weeks, still nothing, so I am gonna raise it to 1 gram".....This would be his post 1 week later...."Well it seems to be working at 1 gram, so I guess I'll have to run it at high dosages to get results". So after that happens people start thinking it has to be run at a higher dose, ignoring that maybe, just maybe, it takes longer to kick in and it just happens to kick later during the cycle, and that its not the high dose, its just timing!.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by BodyWizard View Post
    it may just be brotelligence, 1,4 seems universally considered to kick in slow. No further information on tap.
    yeah, this is what i'd like to better understand.

    i believe a lot of brotelligent people say 1,4ad takes a long time to kick-in due to the traditional characteristics of boldenone undecylenate -which has a very long ester attached causing this.

    however, 1,4ad (without this long ester) should kick in quickly?
    that is why a lengthy cycle wouldn't be mandatory to get the benefit. am i correct in my thinking?

    i've seen reports where people started getting results by wk 2 w/14ad. this wouldn't happen w/injectable bold.
  19. Question


    Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    I will be doing 8 weeks as follows:
    weeks 1-2 500mg
    3-4 600mg
    5-6 700mg
    7-8 800mg

    Judging by that should I still need a SERM?
    If you are going to go through the "trouble" of messing around w/ your hormonal balance and a real PCT which would include a SERM run for month than you might as well run a cycle that will maxamize your gains.

    Do you really think that you will have a lot of gain after only 8 weeks on this compound?

    Also why are you tapering up your dosage?

    Look to information on equipose/boldenone to discover what to expect w/ this compound. You'll see cycles at twice the length you are running and you will see small gains. BUT most importantly you will see that EQ is usually run w/ other compounds to maxamize its effectiveness.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    ...
    however, 1,4ad (without this long ester) should kick in quickly?
    that is why a lengthy cycle wouldn't be mandatory to get the benefit. am i correct in my thinking?
    Partly true. The undecylenate takes longer to kick in so cycles w/ that ester are longer BUT the other reason cycles are run longer is the slow incremental gains Bold brings each week..in other words you need to run it a while to notice much from it. Thats why it is almost never run by itself but rather used with other AAS.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by datBtrue View Post
    If you are going to go through the "trouble" of messing around w/ your hormonal balance and a real post cycle therapy which would include a SERM run for month than you might as well run a cycle that will maxamize your gains.

    Do you really think that you will have a lot of gain after only 8 weeks on this compound?

    Also why are you tapering up your dosage?

    Look to information on equipose/boldenone to discover what to expect w/ this compound. You'll see cycles at twice the length you are running and you will see small gains. BUT most importantly you will see that EQ is usually run w/ other compounds to maxamize its effectiveness.
    From what I've read you gain 1-2lbs LBM per week, one guy gained 15lbs after 30 days but this seems unreasonable. I'm hoping for 10lbs. This will be my first PH also, so I think that 10lbs is very reasonable.

  22. Anyone who is running this solo I'm curious how libido is doing???

  23. Also as far as kick in time for this stuff I beleive we would be seeing more reports of guys getting sick (test flu like symptoms) early into these cycles if it was actually kicking in quickly.

    From my understanding pinning Bold prop gives a lot of guys the flu.

    Anyone verify that? That is just a connection I would have thought we might see if it was kicking in faster...maybe not.

  24. Since XF is nonhormonal, would it be safe to start a cycle of XF while on Nolvadex?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Simpfan1278 View Post
    Since XF is nonhormonal, would it be safe to start a cycle of XF while on Nolvadex?

    If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around does it make a sound?
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