- 10-19-2007, 01:48 PM
- 10-19-2007, 03:34 PM
most are running 1,4ad for 2+ months.
after that long of a run you will be shut down and will need a serm to restart natural hormone production.
for some reason people seem to think that just because this is not methylated, it is not as suppressive on the hpta.
10-19-2007, 03:40 PM
10-19-2007, 03:54 PM
10-19-2007, 03:57 PM
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10-19-2007, 03:58 PM
if it were me, i would use a serm for even a short mildly suppressive cycle.
you will probably recover fine without a serm.
just your hormone profile may be jacked longer than necessary following this cycle.
and as i mentioned before this could lead to unwanted sides and you will likely lose some of or all of your gains if you are shut down for an extended period.
10-19-2007, 03:59 PM
10-19-2007, 04:00 PM
Read those two new posts also, I'll throw down for the SERM. Should I go with Nolva or Clomid?
10-19-2007, 04:01 PM
10-19-2007, 05:48 PM
it may just be brotelligence, 1,4 seems universally considered to kick in slow. No further information on tap.
10-19-2007, 06:03 PM
As for those that 'ran stupid' & got away with it: russian roulette only kills 18 percent of the players, right? Problem is, if you keep playing you'll eventually join the lucky 18...
Same here: your body may SHOW no bad reactions this time, maybe not the next time either, or the next 5 times after that - but if they keep playing that stupid "game", they WILL eventually get 'lucky'.
Don't be one of them!
10-19-2007, 06:12 PM
It does kick in slow, what is broteligence is that people think that they have to run really high doses!. I think this may have happened..."Well I am running 1,4 at 400mg daily and its been 2 weeks, still nothing, so I am gonna raise it to 1 gram".....This would be his post 1 week later...."Well it seems to be working at 1 gram, so I guess I'll have to run it at high dosages to get results". So after that happens people start thinking it has to be run at a higher dose, ignoring that maybe, just maybe, it takes longer to kick in and it just happens to kick later during the cycle, and that its not the high dose, its just timing!.
10-19-2007, 06:18 PM
i believe a lot of brotelligent people say 1,4ad takes a long time to kick-in due to the traditional characteristics of boldenone undecylenate -which has a very long ester attached causing this.
however, 1,4ad (without this long ester) should kick in quickly?
that is why a lengthy cycle wouldn't be mandatory to get the benefit. am i correct in my thinking?
i've seen reports where people started getting results by wk 2 w/14ad. this wouldn't happen w/injectable bold.
10-19-2007, 06:29 PM
Do you really think that you will have a lot of gain after only 8 weeks on this compound?
Also why are you tapering up your dosage?
Look to information on equipose/boldenone to discover what to expect w/ this compound. You'll see cycles at twice the length you are running and you will see small gains. BUT most importantly you will see that EQ is usually run w/ other compounds to maxamize its effectiveness.
10-19-2007, 06:35 PM
10-19-2007, 06:44 PM
10-19-2007, 06:46 PM
10-19-2007, 06:51 PM
Also as far as kick in time for this stuff I beleive we would be seeing more reports of guys getting sick (test flu like symptoms) early into these cycles if it was actually kicking in quickly.
From my understanding pinning Bold prop gives a lot of guys the flu.
Anyone verify that? That is just a connection I would have thought we might see if it was kicking in faster...maybe not.
10-19-2007, 07:04 PM
10-19-2007, 07:09 PM
10-19-2007, 07:30 PM
10-19-2007, 11:08 PM
My first post was off a little, but I'm not sure if it makes a differance...
If a natural test booster is run for the entire duration of the cycle + four weeks after will a PCT still be needed since your are keeping test production going the entire time?
10-19-2007, 11:35 PM
And for decades people have ran cycles with no PCT and they apparently recovered just fine. Not condoning the practice and if you can minimize this downtime then why not.
Should have read page 2 before replying. I'd like to confirm or dispel some of the myths going around, namely no SERM is required for PCT. If endogenous T production isn't completely suppressed then a SERM isn't needed? At what % does T or LH need to drop before a SERM or AI should be used?
As for taking a few weeks to kick in that is BS. Gains are around 1-2lbs per week so in the initial weeks you may not notice much of a change. Also inflammation and acne take awhile to develop so people think it's kicking in since these appear.
As for the high dose being needed it's not just the more is better mentality. Oral BA is 45% and conversion rate is 10-15% thus a higher dose is needed. Again reps say 400mg will suffice because using at a higher(effective) dose their product becomes prohibitively expensive for most.
10-20-2007, 12:27 AM
Setting aside the questionable efficacy of most "test boosters" what they claim to do is raise test by increasing luteneizing hormone or one of the other trigger hormones in the HPTA axis.
So (even if they worked as claimed), you could simply end up with your body receiving some hormonal signals to increase test production and other hormonal signals to decrease test production.
The body is a balance of feedback loops. You can't think of it in mechanical terms (if I take X it will keep the test production turned on during a cycle).
10-20-2007, 01:06 AM
10-20-2007, 02:15 AM
If so, I would explain the initial gains as somewhat of a placebo effect. Just speculating here...
10-21-2007, 10:28 AM
No. I did not lie.
Bold200 when run alongside Testabolan does NOT need a SERM.
DriverDan has posted bloodwork to prove this I believe.
If you run Bold200 without Testabolan, there is a chance you will shut down, but it is still unlikely.
If you stack Bold200 with a methyl or even another non-methyl, then yes, a SERM is necessary.
10-22-2007, 09:20 PM
Damn it! I went to buy the rest that my cycle will require(didn't have enough money last order) and it's sold out! Is it really gone forever?
10-22-2007, 09:37 PM
OK i am looking to stack my tren xtreme with something. I will do a bottle of tren at three caps a day. Would this 1,4AD be a good stack with it? And if so when should I start the 1,4AD and at what dose?
10-22-2007, 09:40 PM
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