Speaking of dosing, I was under the impression that the effective dose for this product began at around 300 mg per day on up.
What about half a gram a day for 8 weeks as the base of a cycle that includes furazadol with Halodrol for the final 4 weeks?
Another possible tweak to this idea would be to start the 1,4 alone for 2-3 weeks (to get it in your system) THEN add PP for 2-3 weeks, then switch to M4OHN for 4 weeks to finish it all up. That way you'd have the 1,4 throughout, and the PP to blow up, the M4 to finish it out/tighten it up. Crazy all the things you could try. I would go with 4 weeks for the M4 to see best results, but I bet as a finisher after the PP, you could do 2-3 and see good results!
shouldn't 1,4ad kick-in quicker than the typical injectable EQ/Bold since there is no ester attached?
why then are such long cycles recommended?
if i were to use only orals, i would run just a 6 week cycle of 1,4ad + a methyl (maybe a mild one like halo or pulse something harder).
otherwise i would stack it with a test base and run for over 10 weeks.
The fact that it isn't 'methylated' means a lesser incidence of toxicity and thus you can run this 12 or even 16 weeks. Try this with Havoc, SD, or PP and see where you're at.
1,4AD is a great primary hormone and there isn't any need to run another ph/ps/steroid. If you got good results from nordiol/andro then this would be a good choice.
As for cost it isn't nearly that bad. It's $45/month, what do other phs costs? Sure you may need to run it two months but you don't need ancillary products to control bp or liver toxicity so it's essentially awash.
I don't quite understand the use of adding in another ph. Doing so will mean you need a SERM for PCT, though I'd run one anyways. And front loading to spur gains seems a bit short-sighted. Chances for full HPTA suppression are increased and you're then going to spend the next 8 weeks like this?
But to each their own. Most of us have enough experience that we know what works for us. I'm taking this as a standalone for 12 weeks at 1g/day. I'll get panels on week 10 to see if I need a SERM for PCT. I'm not taking Cycle Support nor any other ancillaries to control bp, cholesterol, or liver values. We'll see just how 'bad' it is.
1,4ad converts to into the steroid hormone equipoise/boldenone.
no serm needed if run solo you say???
equipoise will cause a suppression of your hormones, such as endogenous testosterone.
this is why it is recommended stacking it with testosterone.
this is also why a quality post cycle therapy is important.
failure to do so could result in possible sexual dysfunction and other sides.
if you treat this like this is a harmless little supplement you will regret it later.
So I would assume hunger is increased with 1,4ad?
most are running 1,4ad for 2+ months.
after that long of a run you will be shut down and will need a serm to restart natural hormone production.
for some reason people seem to think that just because this is not methylated, it is not as suppressive on the hpta.
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if it were me, i would use a serm for even a short mildly suppressive cycle.
you will probably recover fine without a serm.
just your hormone profile may be jacked longer than necessary following this cycle.
and as i mentioned before this could lead to unwanted sides and you will likely lose some of or all of your gains if you are shut down for an extended period.
we said the same thing.
Read those two new posts also, I'll throw down for the SERM. Should I go with Nolva or Clomid?
it may just be brotelligence, 1,4 seems universally considered to kick in slow. No further information on tap.