Liquid Beef aminos
- 08-16-2007, 10:00 PM
since you quoted one word of mine, which is ridiculous in itself, and then replied to it in the sense that it wasn't regards to anything else... i hardly see a point to argue since... you really didn't make an effort to try to argue with anything I said.
The fact of the matter is - just because nutraplanet doesn't carry it yet doesn't mean people haven't tried it before. This is ignorance at it's best. If you know Matt you know that he very knowledgable and helpful in this field. I don't think he'd carry someone people we spreding false claims about and promote it. Check out the bulk items NP carries. All sold products with real studies backing them as well as real life feed back.
If you want to try it - go ahead. You can have your own opinion. Just don't try to tell me I'm wrong for having mine. I think the claims are absolutely obsurd. The people who back it are ridiculously offensive and close minded and anything that you HAVE to "try to find out" if it really works - doesn't. And as a consumer you SHOULD care and SHOULD know the full story about what your putting on your body. If YOU don't care about your body or your money then spend away. But don't tell me I shouldn't think your foolish for doing so.
1) Increasing the ability to fight infection and decreasing the inflammatory response of pathogenic infection
2) Increasing the ability to resist the immunosuppressive and catabolic effects of overtraining and other environmental stressors
3) Increasing alimentary levels of IGF-1 and TGF-beta1 thus aiding in intestinal integrity and intestinal absorptive ability of nutrients – especially protein
4) Increasing appetite as well as the efficiency of ingested protein towards lean body mass accretion
- 08-16-2007, 10:27 PM
I never said you were wrong for having your opinion. As you said yourself, I didn't try to argue with anything you said because I never said you're wrong or right. I simply have no opinion on the product hence wanting to try it.
I believe bulk BCAA (and other bulk powders) such as those offered by NutraPlanet are great. Are BCAA and EEA better and cheaper for the value than LBA? Its certainly possible. But all I said was that I would like NP to carry the product so I can make my own assesment which you don't disagree with.
You said because nutraplanet doesn't carry it doesn't mean people haven't tried it. This is true and a lot of feedback on it says its great, so that is partly why I wanted to try it in the first place.
Also, sometimes science and research studies aren't totally up to date with what works and why it works. Please don't take this to mean that I don't value scientific studies or that I want to try every single product that people hype on the internet. I can be as skeptical as anyone when it comes to all the crazy supplements out there. But assuming LBA are safe, they wouldn't hurt to try it. Maybe over time science will reveal certain factors that explain why they work so well if that happens to be the case.
Sorry for any misunderstanding and I respect your opinion. There is a chance you are right about this product being overpriced bunk. But there should really be no need for arguement in this thread. It is a simple product request which you yourself have no problem with.
08-16-2007, 10:47 PM
your right my friend.
let me explain why I quoted you, I actually was refering to a point I had made in my post immediately PREceding the one I quoted you in. I'm very scatter brained and kind of jot things down as they come to me.
My point in quoting you was so exemplify the fact that all this product has is people on the boards raving about it. That's it.
and to be honest - yes - it's VERY enticing to see all this feedback saying it's awesome. At least at first glance. We (including me) get excited about a product like this because we WANT to believe in it. But further investigation completely rules 99% of these claims out.
If it were being sold as just a different BCAA source and was priced competitively then I'd say it has merit. But the claims are outrageous and the give no real world answers as to HOW any of them could be possible.
To article above posted by "Billy Carpenter" (who ever he is) is someone's opinion. Where are the sources? This OBVIOUSLY wasn't pulled from pubmed.
Even proven great minds in the biz - Par Dues, PA, etc... post sources because that's what makes what your saying more than opinion. Which may or may not be biased.
I'd love to believe in this product but they answer no questions and get defensive and down right HOSTLE with every one that questions it. Eventually citing "try it and find out". Sounds like advice from some one who doesn't want to answer questions - they just want to see you spend 200 bucks.
Again, I apologize for the misunderstanding. Totally my fault there.
08-16-2007, 10:56 PM
No problem. I can't find a good explanation as to why it should work so well and Phil Hernon seems to get strangely defensive when the product he promotes is questioned. Bulk BCAA taken at like 40 grams a day or workout have given people great results, so maybe it is just a more expensive way to get the same effect.
If this has things in common with beef plasma however (I have no idea if it does), it may have benefits beyond traditional AA supplements. If it does have factors or ratios that give it an edge over other AA supplements that have yet to be fully understood, then it could be worth it. I just don't know one way or another. This leads me to figure that the only way I'm going to get an answer is to try it myself.
08-17-2007, 02:26 AM
any word if liquid beef amino's are coming to the Planet?
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08-19-2007, 01:42 PM
on a side note I found who billy carpenter is and I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to portray him in a bad light. He is a credible source (or was, rather. Prayers for his family) but his lack of refrences for that article leave MUCH to the imagination. Again, just a side note. Not bashing Billy.
08-19-2007, 05:10 PM
Just as a side note there is another company that sells the lba's under a different label. I am 100% certain it is manufactured for them by EFX. (I talked to the owner of EFX) It is double the size - 32 ozs. for around $10. I won't post it here but if someone from Nutra wants to pm me I can give them the info.
08-21-2007, 05:21 PM
08-22-2007, 11:39 AM
lol Hey how did my pancakes get into this thread? SHILL
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10-10-2007, 04:44 PM
I forgot all abut this thread. has anyone has unusual success dosing beef amino's?
I think Ken Waller used to dose these really high. Possibly all the seventies bodybuilder's
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10-10-2007, 05:05 PM
i figure i owe an update on my experience as my opinion has changed somewhat. just finished my case of this stuff recently.
initially i was super psyched because i felt it right away. sweating, permanently pumped muscles, and felt leaner.
however, the effect seemed to diminish over time.
now i believe what i was feeling was the high amount of glycerol in lbas. i had never used glycerol before this.
after that initial feeling diminished, i'm not sure if i got much of a permanent composition change.
IMO - i still liked it, but i feel is too expensive to not be 100% sure it is doing as advertised.
10-10-2007, 05:06 PM
10-10-2007, 05:17 PM
i was only able to stretch 1 case over a six week period. so i was also dosing lower than most.
i was told that you need to run it longer to see the results. and most of those who report very positive results are running them long term or are friends with the promoter of these.
but i just can't afford it.
10-11-2007, 11:19 PM
are these the same thing Vince Gironda recommends? Dissected liver tabs?
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05-23-2008, 09:10 AM
im going to buy a quart of glycerine and see what that does..lots cheaper... justin harris thinks thats where people are getting the gr8 FEELINGS from...