Havoc Stack Special Possible?
- 06-02-2007, 12:30 PM
- 06-02-2007, 04:30 PM
They do.. Buy 1 bottle of havoc and get lots of muscle free!
- 06-02-2007, 04:33 PM
damn i'm cheezy
06-02-2007, 05:06 PM
06-02-2007, 08:19 PM
I'm serious--if they don't want to put on the label what needs to be taken in conjunction with and after a cycle to keep their customers healthy, a package deal for a recommended "complete" cycle would at least give a rather large hint that this ain't no colored, good tasting supp you're dealing with.
NP would move more product, and can feel happy that, while they're making a buck, they're doing their part to pump up the world in a somewhat intelligent way.
06-04-2007, 09:22 AM
There will always be stupid people who take more then the package says, that doesn't take support, its not Nutra's job to babysit.
06-04-2007, 09:37 AM
great post crader.
It's YOUR job to know what YOU put in YOUR body.
it's not more complicated then that.
06-04-2007, 10:12 AM
Sorry guys, but strong BS up in this post.
Not only do we have companies mislabeling and doing about everything else they can to PREVENT consumers from being able to research supps, we also have teens buying supps who are unable to do the research necessary.
Seriously, which of you two are capable of reading and comprehending the complex chemical reactions occurring when you take supps (even "simple" ones like Creatine)?
Or did you mean research as in reading posts of other bros who are simply parroting what other bros said before them?
And what percent of consumers will have visited any bodybuilding site, much less a forum dedicated to "prohormones"? What percentage of consumers even know they exist?
I really do believe that the feds will be cracking down pretty hard on the industry, and that'll partly be because of the attitudes you two are showing, which seems to be an unfortunately widespread attitude among the forums.
06-04-2007, 10:15 AM
06-04-2007, 10:44 AM
and include hairloss in the package too.
I agree with crader for the most part. Also you would not know in the first place what havoc is without researching it, so I think the same way you found out of the results it can bring you will also find out it's side's.
06-04-2007, 11:18 AM
I don't know what to tell you. If you are not willing to take responsibility for your own actions and not blame it on either the producer, labeler or retailer, then you are an un-intelligent consumer.
As far as the research is concerned...bro-telligence does play a role in it. But reading and comprehending a study from pubmed, google scholar or any of the other journals out there on any compound is not very hard.
The burden is on the consumer, IMO. And there is a warning on the label in the first place, so why are we even talking about this?
06-04-2007, 11:51 AM
06-04-2007, 11:52 AM
Wait, who told you that ancillaries and pct weren't necessary?
06-04-2007, 12:27 PM
I agree I see nowhere in the above posting that says post- cycle therapy isn't necessary. On the other hand, if you decide to do a cycle of havoc then you should buy the cycle support even if it doesn't come in a "stack".
If not then you take your health in your own hands.
06-05-2007, 12:27 PM
Well PCT isn't necessary if you want to lose most if not all of you gains and also have limp **** for a while..
06-05-2007, 12:38 PM
don't forget the possibility of man boobs...
06-05-2007, 01:23 PM
06-05-2007, 01:49 PM
so you're saying your chest is bigger than dsade's?
06-05-2007, 02:01 PM
06-05-2007, 02:13 PM
06-05-2007, 02:16 PM
06-05-2007, 02:17 PM
06-05-2007, 02:19 PM
06-05-2007, 03:16 PM
Maybe make everybody happy and just put a link to things like cycle support and test boosters on the same page as any hormones/prohormones. No need for a package deal, but it would help everybody who purchases one to be linked right to such items...
06-06-2007, 07:17 AM
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