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  1. 11-oxo


    11-oxo - Ergopharm's New Selective Cortisol Modulator...

    Can anyone share a little more info on this?

    Is this just the name for adrenosterone (their version of 3AD)?
    That which does not kill us makes us stronger - Friedrich Nietzsche


  2. its the same as AX's 3-ad
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by wojo View Post
    its the same as AX's 3-ad
    So thats what they are branding adrenosterone as?

    Nothing like a good price war for the consumer. Competition is ALWAYS good. This is why I love NP.
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  4. hey dont shoot the messenger..its all over bb.com use the search button

  5. Quote Originally Posted by wojo View Post
    hey dont shoot the messenger..its all over bb.com use the search button
    Did I shoot you? lol

    I avoid BB.com, plus I just got done with finals. I'm Catching up...
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  6. So its just a cortisol blocker? Or wtf is a cortisol modulator?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    So its just a cortisol blocker? Or wtf is a cortisol modulator?
    See, I dont know if 11 oxo is what they are calling it or not. It does appear this way though.

    I know they are bringing their version of 3AD though...adrenosterone

    Pls dont make me log into BB.com.
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  8. 11-oxo-androstenedione

  9. from what i read AX 's product will be the same price and hvae a month's supply verses ergo's 20 day supply...i check bb.com to research sometimes i dont like the 3rd grade mentallity over there either

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    So its just a cortisol blocker? Or wtf is a cortisol modulator?
    It's a prohormone, same as 3AD, just a different marketing angle due to either AX's patent pending or PA not wanting to look like he's selling da juice (again).

    From what I read over there...
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance View Post
    11-oxo-androstenedione
    Yup, Rushi is calling it adrenosterone. I figured this is what 11-oxo was referring to. Interesting to see these prices play out.

    11-oxo (60 caps) By ErgoPharm

    11-oxo effects cortisol too but I'm not really sure of the details. Obviously we get some cortisol lowering but im not sure of the exact mechanism.
    That which does not kill us makes us stronger - Friedrich Nietzsche

  12. We should be taking preorders for this sometime this weekend or monday morning, and shipping out by Thursday.
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  13. price range?

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    price range?
    Ergopharm says it will be in the "premium" range.

  15. i believe he said mid 40s by the time it hits retailers. 60 caps at 75 mg each, 2-3 a day I believe. The premise is that this will cause less suppression than the dose that AX is recommending and instead focus more on cortisol control.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by warnerve View Post
    i believe he said mid 40s by the time it hits retailers. 60 caps at 75 mg each, 2-3 a day I believe. The premise is that this will cause less suppression than the dose that AX is recommending and instead focus more on cortisol control.

    Couldnt one just take less pills of the AX version and get a better deal with the same results (ex, less suppression and more of a cortisol control).

    hmmm, I'll pry sit this one out and see how the two compare. Besides Nutra has like 50 other things I need to buy lol.

  17. ALRI has a new mystery compound coming out. I wonder if it's some version of this?

  18. Hmm, hadn't really connected that but who knows.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    ALRI has a new mystery compound coming out. I wonder if it's some version of this?
    That would be awesome! Then 3 companies could fight it out cage match, to the death!

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    That would be awesome! Then 3 companies could fight it out cage match, to the death!
    or just draw too much attention and get this banned..from what i understandwhen the banned the old prohormones they made it very easy to add to the list

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  23. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    ALRI has a new mystery compound coming out. I wonder if it's some version of this?
    Somebody asked Fit that: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/l-r-i...tml#post818529

    ...she said that it doesn't appear to be the same. I can't get her to say anything else about the ALRI product though.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  24. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Somebody asked Fit that: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/l-r-i...tml#post818529

    ...she said that it doesn't appear to be the same. I can't get her to say anything else about the ALRI product though.
    There goes that theory. Thanks for the link.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    11-oxo - Ergopharm's New Selective Cortisol Modulator...

    Can anyone share a little more info on this?

    Is this just the name for adrenosterone (their version of 3AD)?
    11-OXO aka adrenosterone is a selective inhibitor of 11beta-HSD1, an enzyme associated with conversion of the inactive cortisone to the active cortisol in target tissues

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Rushi View Post
    11-OXO aka adrenosterone is a selective inhibitor of 11beta-HSD1, an enzyme associated with conversion of the inactive cortisone to the active cortisol in target tissues
    With anabolic properties I presume?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Rushi View Post
    11-OXO aka adrenosterone is a selective inhibitor of 11beta-HSD1, an enzyme associated with conversion of the inactive cortisone to the active cortisol in target tissues
    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    With anabolic properties I presume?
    So are the anabolic properties more due to the cortisol lowering effects or does it stand strong alone, aside from this benefit?

    It seems if its this potent with cortisol it would be amazing for cutting/recomp.

    Thanks for poppin in Rushi
    That which does not kill us makes us stronger - Friedrich Nietzsche

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Couldnt one just take less pills of the AX version and get a better deal with the same results (ex, less suppression and more of a cortisol control).

    hmmm, I'll pry sit this one out and see how the two compare. Besides Nutra has like 50 other things I need to buy lol.
    I would believe so.

    Ergo: 60 caps @ 75mg/cap x 6 caps/day = 450mg/day
    60/6 caps=10 day supply

    AX: 90 caps @ 150mg/cap x 3 caps/day = 450mg/day
    90/3 caps=30 day supply

    Both about the same price from what I hear.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    With anabolic properties I presume?
    it is a mild prohormone to the following four major products

    11-ketotestosterone
    11beta-hydroxyandrostenedione
    11-ketoandrosterone
    11-ketoetiocholanolone

  30. so if it is a DHT derivative, would it act on the scalp like DHT to cause hairloss?
  

  
 

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