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    11-oxo - Ergopharm's New Selective Cortisol Modulator...

    Can anyone share a little more info on this?

    Is this just the name for adrenosterone (their version of 3AD)?
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    its the same as AX's 3-ad

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    Quote Originally Posted by wojo View Post
    its the same as AX's 3-ad
    So thats what they are branding adrenosterone as?

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    hey dont shoot the messenger..its all over bb.com use the search button

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    Quote Originally Posted by wojo View Post
    hey dont shoot the messenger..its all over bb.com use the search button
    Did I shoot you? lol

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    So its just a cortisol blocker? Or wtf is a cortisol modulator?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    So its just a cortisol blocker? Or wtf is a cortisol modulator?
    See, I dont know if 11 oxo is what they are calling it or not. It does appear this way though.

    I know they are bringing their version of 3AD though...adrenosterone

    Pls dont make me log into BB.com.
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    11-oxo-androstenedione

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    from what i read AX 's product will be the same price and hvae a month's supply verses ergo's 20 day supply...i check bb.com to research sometimes i dont like the 3rd grade mentallity over there either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    So its just a cortisol blocker? Or wtf is a cortisol modulator?
    It's a prohormone, same as 3AD, just a different marketing angle due to either AX's patent pending or PA not wanting to look like he's selling da juice (again).

    From what I read over there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zero Tolerance View Post
    11-oxo-androstenedione
    Yup, Rushi is calling it adrenosterone. I figured this is what 11-oxo was referring to. Interesting to see these prices play out.

    11-oxo (60 caps) By ErgoPharm

    11-oxo effects cortisol too but I'm not really sure of the details. Obviously we get some cortisol lowering but im not sure of the exact mechanism.
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    We should be taking preorders for this sometime this weekend or monday morning, and shipping out by Thursday.
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    price range?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    price range?
    Ergopharm says it will be in the "premium" range.

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    i believe he said mid 40s by the time it hits retailers. 60 caps at 75 mg each, 2-3 a day I believe. The premise is that this will cause less suppression than the dose that AX is recommending and instead focus more on cortisol control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warnerve View Post
    i believe he said mid 40s by the time it hits retailers. 60 caps at 75 mg each, 2-3 a day I believe. The premise is that this will cause less suppression than the dose that AX is recommending and instead focus more on cortisol control.

    Couldnt one just take less pills of the AX version and get a better deal with the same results (ex, less suppression and more of a cortisol control).

    hmmm, I'll pry sit this one out and see how the two compare. Besides Nutra has like 50 other things I need to buy lol.

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    ALRI has a new mystery compound coming out. I wonder if it's some version of this?

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    Hmm, hadn't really connected that but who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    ALRI has a new mystery compound coming out. I wonder if it's some version of this?
    That would be awesome! Then 3 companies could fight it out cage match, to the death!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cool View Post
    That would be awesome! Then 3 companies could fight it out cage match, to the death!
    or just draw too much attention and get this banned..from what i understandwhen the banned the old prohormones they made it very easy to add to the list

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    ALRI has a new mystery compound coming out. I wonder if it's some version of this?
    Somebody asked Fit that: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/l-r-i...tml#post818529

    ...she said that it doesn't appear to be the same. I can't get her to say anything else about the ALRI product though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Somebody asked Fit that: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/l-r-i...tml#post818529

    ...she said that it doesn't appear to be the same. I can't get her to say anything else about the ALRI product though.
    There goes that theory. Thanks for the link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine View Post
    11-oxo - Ergopharm's New Selective Cortisol Modulator...

    Can anyone share a little more info on this?

    Is this just the name for adrenosterone (their version of 3AD)?
    11-OXO aka adrenosterone is a selective inhibitor of 11beta-HSD1, an enzyme associated with conversion of the inactive cortisone to the active cortisol in target tissues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushi View Post
    11-OXO aka adrenosterone is a selective inhibitor of 11beta-HSD1, an enzyme associated with conversion of the inactive cortisone to the active cortisol in target tissues
    With anabolic properties I presume?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushi View Post
    11-OXO aka adrenosterone is a selective inhibitor of 11beta-HSD1, an enzyme associated with conversion of the inactive cortisone to the active cortisol in target tissues
    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    With anabolic properties I presume?
    So are the anabolic properties more due to the cortisol lowering effects or does it stand strong alone, aside from this benefit?

    It seems if its this potent with cortisol it would be amazing for cutting/recomp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis View Post
    Couldnt one just take less pills of the AX version and get a better deal with the same results (ex, less suppression and more of a cortisol control).

    hmmm, I'll pry sit this one out and see how the two compare. Besides Nutra has like 50 other things I need to buy lol.
    I would believe so.

    Ergo: 60 caps @ 75mg/cap x 6 caps/day = 450mg/day
    60/6 caps=10 day supply

    AX: 90 caps @ 150mg/cap x 3 caps/day = 450mg/day
    90/3 caps=30 day supply

    Both about the same price from what I hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yeahright View Post
    With anabolic properties I presume?
    it is a mild prohormone to the following four major products

    11-ketotestosterone
    11beta-hydroxyandrostenedione
    11-ketoandrosterone
    11-ketoetiocholanolone

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    so if it is a DHT derivative, would it act on the scalp like DHT to cause hairloss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fritzer View Post
    so if it is a DHT derivative, would it act on the scalp like DHT to cause hairloss?
    Wait, where did it say it was a DHT deriviative? I'm asking, not trying to say you're wrong.

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    I guess we will find out how 11-OXO is...REAL quick.

    Does that mean...presale?
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    Just make sure if you are looking for the pro-anabolic/androgenic effects (PH) you are dosing it in the 450-600mg range. Any less and you will have a plethora of other positive (cort/anti-e) benefits but not necessarily any of the PH benefits. With it having just the active I would probably run it at 600mg/day to get the PH effects. I have done that and its nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigSmith View Post
    Just make sure if you are looking for the pro-anabolic/androgenic effects (PH) you are dosing it in the 450-600mg range. Any less and you will have a plethora of other positive (cort/anti-e) benefits but not necessarily any of the PH benefits.
    This absolutely looks like a fantastic compound, that will give users a lot of options for effects, depending on dosage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rpen22 View Post
    Wait, where did it say it was a DHT deriviative? I'm asking, not trying to say you're wrong.
    Does anyone know about its effects on the scalp?

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    I know bb.com is like an armpit to most of you, but y'all should check out the 11-oxo thread there. PA talks about it a good bit.

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    yah, from the bb.com i got 11-ketotestosterone, and some were saying it is a DHT derivative... so maybe it doesn't convert but acts like DHT in the scalp anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrownedOne View Post
    I know bb.com is like an armpit to most of you, but y'all should check out the 11-oxo thread there. PA talks about it a good bit.

    LOL god damn I was rollin on that one.....

    Why the **** doesnt Pat post here! THIS IS WHERE ITS AT!

    bb.com is a festering noob pit.

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    Update: I just realized, you guys probably banned Pat after some heated debate. A board is only as good as its contributing membership.

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    I thought PA was just posting here not to long ago? Not for sure but I dont think he is banned.

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    On a second note what kind of price are we looking at for 11-oxo? 35 bucks or less? plzzzzzz

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