Products that are working wonders for my contest prep

[grexx]

Hey guys,

I have a show coming up in about 4.5 weeks and I figured that I would let you guys know what has really been working for me for dropping bodyfat and retaining my muscle. Feel free to ask any questions. We can actually turn this into a Sticky if it is ok with Sam and Dsade......

Fat Loss:

NP Yohimbine HCL 4/day
NP Green Tea Caps 3/day
Lipoderm-Y: 6 squirts/day
Bulk AMP'd: 50 mg pre workout
CLA: 6 g/day
DCP: 9 caps/day
Sesamin: 3 g/day

Pre Workout:
1 scoop of NO Shotgun by VPX
10 g glutamine
Ultimate Pump Stack mixed in NO SHotgun

Post Workout
35 g WMS
10 g Leucine
10 g Glutamine
10 g BCAA's

Before Bed:
3 Powerfull
2 caps Fenugreek and MACA
6-OXO w/penetrate 150 mg/day
formestane w/penetrate 200 mg/day

[jminis]

That's a nice stack. I'd add in some Anabolic Pump when you do a carb load for the show and you should be popping at the seams. I did it with a competitor I train and it worked rather well. Best of luck with the show

[grexx]

Right now, I am using a combo of vanadyl and ALA that is working wonders but I might give that a try. Thanks for the heads up.

[poison]

Don't forget your RPM.

[Guest]

Hey guys,

I have a show coming up in about 4.5 weeks and I figured that I would let you guys know what has really been working for me for dropping bodyfat and retaining my muscle. Feel free to ask any questions. We can actually turn this into a Sticky if it is ok with Sam and Dsade......

Fat Loss:

NP Yohimbine HCL 4/day
NP Green Tea Caps 3/day
Lipoderm-Y: 6 squirts/day
Bulk AMP'd: 50 mg pre workout
CLA: 6 g/day
DCP: 9 caps/day
Sesamin: 3 g/day

Pre Workout:
1 scoop of NO Shotgun by VPX
10 g glutamine
Ultimate Pump Stack mixed in NO SHotgun

Post Workout
35 g WMS
10 g Leucine
10 g Glutamine
10 g BCAA's

Before Bed:
3 Powerfull
2 caps Fenugreek and MACA
6-OXO w/penetrate 150 mg/day
formestane w/penetrate 200 mg/day

Great looking setup and in contest dieting, I would seriously look into forskolin at 60mgs a day divided into 20mgs dosages.

Cissus in the morning and before bed is a great Anti catabolic . I would add 10grams leucine pre workout aswell.

If you want to try an Anabolic Pump send address by PM>

[Alpine]

Hey guys,

I have a show coming up in about 4.5 weeks and I figured that I would let you guys know what has really been working for me for dropping bodyfat and retaining my muscle. Feel free to ask any questions. We can actually turn this into a Sticky if it is ok with Sam and Dsade......

Fat Loss:

NP Yohimbine HCL 4/day
NP Green Tea Caps 3/day
Lipoderm-Y: 6 squirts/day
Bulk AMP'd: 50 mg pre workout
CLA: 6 g/day
DCP: 9 caps/day
Sesamin: 3 g/day

Pre Workout:
1 scoop of NO Shotgun by VPX
10 g glutamine
Ultimate Pump Stack mixed in NO SHotgun

Post Workout
35 g WMS
10 g Leucine
10 g Glutamine
10 g BCAA's

Before Bed:
3 Powerfull
2 caps Fenugreek and MACA
6-OXO w/penetrate 150 mg/day
formestane w/penetrate 200 mg/day

What type of CLA are you using?

[grexx]

I use Tonalin brand CLA....It is very effective stacked with Sesamin. I use more things than I listed, but I figured this would be a general outline without taking up pages, lol. If you guys/gals have any questions on other products/supplements though, feel free to ask away.

Mike

[dsade]

MODS: Can we make this a sticky please?

[phrost]

I use Tonalin brand CLA....It is very effective stacked with Sesamin. I use more things than I listed, but I figured this would be a general outline without taking up pages, lol. If you guys/gals have any questions on other products/supplements though, feel free to ask away.

Mike

Would you mind listing everything you use? I'm interested, even if it does take up pages

[Alpine]

I use Tonalin brand CLA....It is very effective stacked with Sesamin. I use more things than I listed, but I figured this would be a general outline without taking up pages, lol. If you guys/gals have any questions on other products/supplements though, feel free to ask away.

Mike

What specific brand(s)? HIGH dose Tonalin adds up pretty quick. And you have to get high doses for it to matter much. I want to run both CLA and Sesathin. I find Sesathin to be much more cost effective though, especially with NP's.

[Sir Savage]

Hey guys,


Lipoderm-Y: 6 squirts/day

You're going to love us even more in a few weeks.

[dsade]

You're going to love us even more in a few weeks.

Care to elaborate? Do we need to discuss yet another addition to the Avant line?

[Guest]

MODS: Can we make this a sticky please?

Done!

[00126645]

MODS: Can we make this a sticky please?

I can pretty much make anything sticky. Just give me 3 mins. Does that make me a MOD??

[Alpine]

I really want to run Sesathin and CLA together as well. I just ordered both from NP. I'm really hoping Dsade can get us a good quality bulk CLA for a decent price. It takes a minimum 5g/day (1000mg caps -700mg actual CLA) to get the necessary 3.4g threshold of pure CLA for the desired effects.

Primaforce's margins look pretty low already. NP might have to sell it in bags of 250-300.


grexx: Do you not take Fish Oil or did you just not include it in that example stack? I can understand reducing fish oil to about 50-75% of normal intake on sesamin, however, I wouldnt remove it. They have somewhat of a synergy together. Fish Oil alters membrane phospholipids in a manner by which sesamin simply cant. I would keep the fish oil in there. Perhaps you already do...

[ugab37]

very interesting thread

[John Smeton]

Hey guys,

I have a show coming up in about 4.5 weeks and I figured that I would let you guys know what has really been working for me for dropping bodyfat and retaining my muscle. Feel free to ask any questions. We can actually turn this into a Sticky if it is ok with Sam and Dsade......

Fat Loss:

NP Yohimbine HCL 4/day
NP Green Tea Caps 3/day
Lipoderm-Y: 6 squirts/day
Bulk AMP'd: 50 mg pre workout
CLA: 6 g/day
DCP: 9 caps/day
Sesamin: 3 g/day

Pre Workout:
1 scoop of NO Shotgun by VPX
10 g glutamine
Ultimate Pump Stack mixed in NO SHotgun

Post Workout
35 g WMS
10 g Leucine
10 g Glutamine
10 g BCAA's

Before Bed:
3 Powerfull
2 caps Fenugreek and MACA
6-OXO w/penetrate 150 mg/day
formestane w/penetrate 200 mg/day

Thats a lot of supplements. Good-luck.
Drug tested Competition?

[asianbabe]

Right now, I am using a combo of vanadyl and ALA that is working wonders but I might give that a try. Thanks for the heads up.

How are you dosing these two? vanadyl sulfate murders my appetite.

[grexx]

Alpine,

I use 6 g of fish oil per day split up into 2 caps 3x/day.

Asianbabe,
I use 30-40 mg vanadyl after my workouts and I use 300 mg ALA 3x/day.

[Alpine]

Alpine,

I use 6 g of fish oil per day split up into 2 caps 3x/day.

Asianbabe,
I use 30-40 mg vanadyl after my workouts and I use 300 mg ALA 3x/day.

Everything looks great...

One thing I didnt understand was the glutamine. It's a growing opinion that oral administration of l-glutamine is pretty worthless. The absorption is so low that its almost pointless. Obviously, youre taking a high dose but it still seems like a waste.

All of the positive studies/findings attributed to glutamine were based on infusion (IV administration) and studies done w/ burn patients and so forth (post surgery, bone marrow etc.). There is nothing showing oral glutamine does much for healthy individuals at all (and it has been studied a lot). 95% of it (or more) is destroyed upon ingestion. Multiple studies support the concept that blood and muscle glutamine levels have no bearing on protein synthesis and protein turnover. The only positive benefit of glutamine is for people doing corticosteroid treatment or with certain wasting conditions. And dont let the supplement companies fool you. Your workout (no matter how grueling) can never even come close to a catabolic condition like this. Its possible that glutamine could be mildly effective for improving ATP slightly on a ultra low carb diet (see study). I still think its pretty much a waste though.


Here is probably one of the most favorable glutamine studies.

Bruce M, Constantin-Teodosiu D, Greenhaff PL, Boobis LH, Williams C, Bowtell JL.
Glutamine supplementation promotes anaplerosis but not oxidative energy delivery in human skeletal muscle. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab 2001 Apr;280(4):E669-75