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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    I agree about the Muscletech part.

    At least he posted the Greenspan study, though statements like "Using PowerFULL is similiar to injecting 3 ius of HGH" is fully bull****. If it's not, post the blood tests.
    I would honestly like to see someone with prior to powerfull test results, and after powerfull test results. Theory is great for selling product. But reality can be a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    I agree about the Muscletech part.

    At least he posted the Greenspan study, though statements like "Using PowerFULL is similiar to injecting 3 ius of HGH" is fully bull****. If it's not, post the blood tests.
    Great post.

    Ironically, Muscletech (rightfully so) gets ridiculed for their advertising, but in all their crazy adds they have never said anything as outlandish as "using product X is similar to injecting 3ius of HGH".
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    Quote Originally Posted by bird4three View Post
    Great post.

    Ironically, Muscletech (rightfully so) gets ridiculed for their advertising, but in all their crazy adds they have never said anything as outlandish as "using product X is similar to injecting 3ius of HGH".
    Did you bother to read the reference sited? My advice is do not buy if you are skeptical.

    I just read a MT add that claimed 50lbs in one month. The reality is that HGH will not make you HUGE but aid in recovery and growth.

    In 1975, Ajlouni and colleagues reported the effects of 500mg of oral L-dopa on eight normal and 8 non-obese insulin-dependent diabetic subjects. The normal subjects increased their plasma HGH from 1.5mg/ml before L-dopa, to an average 21mg/ml at 90 minutes post L-dopa, with all subjects showing at least a 10 mg/ml increase. The diabetics increased from 2.5mg/ml to 20mg/ml from 60-90 minutes post L-dopa. Giving 100 grams (3 _ ounces) of glucose with, or 30 minutes after the drug totally suppressed the expected HGH increase (7).

    Do the math and you get a number higher than 3iu's. Diabetics are resistant to HGH increases which makes the study even more spectacular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by same_old View Post
    yikes. i liked the old powerfull but i hate the way USPLabs throws claims around, muscletech-style...like we're bumpkins at a travelling circus listening to a fast-talking guy with a moustache selling snake oil from a horse cart. it's just creepy, IMO, and a little insulting. perhaps the majority of exercise supplement consumers have to be condescended to in order to be convinced?

    All the claims are taken directly from research. We are one of the few companies that beta tests all our formulas before release.

    I laid down the research so Please refute the claims as being impossible. In honesty, A few supplement consumers are research oriented nor should they be, and your response is in direct correlation.

    The supplement companies has the moral duty to claim truth. In life, there are bad dentists and lousy accountants. We either research by references or experience and not by experitse. We are not all mechanics, doctors, and lawyers. Commonsense has to become our best reference tool in life and even than, we all fall victim to some garbage or scam.

    USPlabs has stacked up some nice references from the experienced users.
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    In my opinion, the HGH effect is great but the true bueaty of powerFULL is the hormonal adaptagen qualities, lactic acid buffering, concentration, and sexual enhancement effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bird4three View Post
    Great post.

    Ironically, Muscletech (rightfully so) gets ridiculed for their advertising, but in all their crazy adds they have never said anything as outlandish as "using product X is similar to injecting 3ius of HGH".
    Discussion is great, I am all for it. However, if you wish to make statements like that, please dispute the references readily provided. If you are unable to, then I am confused as to how the claim is outlandish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Discussion is great, I am all for it. However, if you wish to make statements like that, please dispute the references readily provided. If you are unable to, then I am confused as to how the claim is outlandish?
    The industry has created this defense mechanism and rightfully so. I for one have fallen victim to many "claims" and fooled. One of the reasons I created USPLabs was to produce supplements I could use.

    I love using supplements. I been supplementing for over 10 years.

    USPlabs was built on return buyers and word of mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier View Post
    Discussion is great, I am all for it. However, if you wish to make statements like that, please dispute the references readily provided. If you are unable to, then I am confused as to how the claim is outlandish?
    The claims is not outlandish if you understand HGH as an anabolic. The number is actually higher (3.7iu) but we rounded down.

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    little confused guys...you quote research from L-Dopa...but is there actually L-Dopa in the new Powerfull, or is it just similar to L-Dopa?
    Last edited by rampage jackson; 02-22-2007 at 12:01 AM. Reason: Found my answer...you may want to spellcheck the writeup...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rampage jackson View Post
    little confused guys...you quote research from L-Dopa...but is there actually L-Dopa in the new Powerfull, or is it just similar to L-Dopa?
    So 1-C is "closely related" to L-Dopa...is there any research on 1-C that you can quote? Not trying to flame, but just want to see what this stuff is about.
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    I like this disscussion. I like to see USPLabs back their **** up. Keep it coming. Repped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rampage jackson View Post
    little confused guys...you quote research from L-Dopa...but is there actually L-Dopa in the new Powerfull, or is it just similar to L-Dopa?
    me too.

    Not trying to be an a-hole but I got annoyed with claims like


    "Scientifically proven to increase natural Human Growth Hormone (HGH) production by at least 221% in just one dose!"

    " Significantly increase natural Testosterone production by at least 53%!"

    Clearly, you are refering to L-Dopa, and not the supplement itself, one could say you are outright lieing about your product.
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    wow this is getting good. i'll go get the pop corn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RexGrandis View Post
    me too.

    Not trying to be an a-hole but I got annoyed with claims like


    "Scientifically proven to increase natural Human Growth Hormone (HGH) production by at least 221% in just one dose!"

    " Significantly increase natural Testosterone production by at least 53%!"

    Clearly, you are refering to L-Dopa, and not the supplement itself, one could say you are outright lieing about your product.
    Why are we lying? You are not very clear at all. Did you read the RESEARCH posted about raising HGH production with L-dopa? If you did, I'm not sure why you would get annoye with facts.

    Can you refute that HGH and testosterone CAN NOT naturally increase to that extent? If you are annoyed, you need to refute with evidence instead of scorned blanket statements.

    PowerFULL contains 1-C that reaches the brain in higher concentrations plus some L-dopa that is native to the Herb.

    USPlabs has broken the mold with supplements meeting the advertising. We form our claims from beta testing and research. We have created supplements that miff people’s perception of supplements.

    Just revisit our line up:

    Super Cissus Rx-Is revolutionizing joint health where even drugs fail.

    Anabolic Pump--Is revolutionizing specific glucose transport where even drugs fail.

    PowerFULL is next inline.

    You have to remember that Herbs are the organ of most drugs but pharmaceutical companies modify the molecule not necessarily to improve the compound but to patent it.

    My next advice is read user feedback from Improved complexion, Dramatically improved sleep, refreshed upon waking, sleepiness during the day, and mood elevations which are CLEAR signs of HGH increase. Again, the HGH increase is just a portion of PowerFULL's effects.

    My next advice is pass on purchasing PowerFULL or any other USPlabs products if you are annoyed and skeptical.

    take care
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    I'm going to chime in here and say this discussion should be addressed in USP's forum and not Nutras. They stock and sell this product but the reps and owners can be found in their forum. Not to mention they have other info there that could help in finding more about their products.
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