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    The 20% Cissus Thread


    Due to delays in production (for the full run) and testing standard confusion, this has been delayed until January 15th.

    My apologies.

    On a good note, they seem to have grasped my concept of production technique which SHOULD yield the 30% or more product. I expect a price estimate and lead time in 2 weeks.
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    This is not Super Cissus. The Super Cissus is, I believe, a 10% extract.

    You can go ahead and order it, if you wish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    Due to delays in production (for the full run) and testing standard confusion, this has been delayed until January 15th.

    My apologies.

    On a good note, they seem to have grasped my concept of production technique which SHOULD yield the 30% or more product. I expect a price estimate and lead time in 2 weeks.
    I received an email that I could go ahead and make the order because you are getting the super cissus today.. Does this mean there is none in stock and will not be till next month?!

    thx
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    This is not Super Cissus. The Super Cissus is, I believe, a 10% extract.

    You can go ahead and order it, if you wish.
    Ok, thx
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    Due to delays in production (for the full run) and testing standard confusion, this has been delayed until January 15th.

    My apologies.

    On a good note, they seem to have grasped my concept of production technique which SHOULD yield the 30% or more product. I expect a price estimate and lead time in 2 weeks.

    Hi Dsade,

    I did not know there was a 20% version in production..is this the same cissus RX of USP in 20-30 % in stead of the new 10%? Or is this the Nutra bulk version?
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    This is something I am working on directly with a factory in India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    This is something I am working on directly with a factory in India.
    So it not sure if it s going to be the same as RX version, right?
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    This is, currently, a 20% 6-ketosterone cissus extract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    This is, currently, a 20% 6-ketosterone cissus extract.
    Nice Good luck with this and I ll be the first to order some
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    This is, currently, a 20% 6-ketosterone cissus extract.
    Going to be part of the "bulk capped" line? Pretty plz? I'll take one ziploc of 1000 caps please.
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    I hope you going to keep it in your bulk powders line too.
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    Is genera going to offer this 20% extract? Also is Genera going to offer bulk symmetry?
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    Hey guys, I'm sure DSADE will clear this up, but I believe this 20% extract is going to be an NP product and not a USP product. That being said...

    DSADE, from what I have seen, the joint and anti-inflammatory effects seem to be inverse to the percentage of extract...on the other end of the spectrum, it seems that the anabolism effects are converse to the percentage of extract.

    Will this hold true for your 20% extract or is yet to be seen? (basically, will this extract be more a muscle builder and less for joint support?)
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    good question stxnas, was about to ask that myself.
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    What % is the current bulk cissus that you have in stock?
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    5% is the bulk


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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    Hey guys, I'm sure DSADE will clear this up, but I believe this 20% extract is going to be an NP product and not a USP product. That being said...

    DSADE, from what I have seen, the joint and anti-inflammatory effects seem to be inverse to the percentage of extract...on the other end of the spectrum, it seems that the anabolism effects are converse to the percentage of extract.

    Will this hold true for your 20% extract or is yet to be seen? (basically, will this extract be more a muscle builder and less for joint support?)
    Correct, this is in NP product.

    STXNAS, if you can make something clear for me...for some time now the only extract out has been 5%. I know the 10% has just been released. You have had a chance to test out both, and that is what you have found through experience?
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    Sorry bro, but I haven't been able to test out anything other than the 5% (hence my question). I was asking b/c I have yet to "hear it from the horses mouth" (meaning real world feedback from somebody that has used 10%+).

    I'm just wondering b/c I'm currently getting great results for my horrible back problem by simply using the 5%. For me there would be no benefit in upping to a higher percentage if there is an inverse loss of anti-inflamm properties. Now if there is no loss in the anti-inflamm properties we have a whole different discussion. I just don't understand why a higher percentage would mean a loss in effectiveness and that's why I'm asking...I'm really looking forward to some real world feedback as well as yours.

    Thanks in advance,
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    Sorry bro, but I haven't been able to test out anything other than the 5% (hence my question). I was asking b/c I have yet to "hear it from the horses mouth" (meaning real world feedback from somebody that has used 10%+).

    I'm just wondering b/c I'm currently getting great results for my horrible back problem by simply using the 5%. For me there would be no benefit in upping to a higher percentage if there is an inverse loss of anti-inflamm properties. Now if there is no loss in the anti-inflamm properties we have a whole different discussion. I just don't understand why a higher percentage would mean a loss in effectiveness and that's why I'm asking...I'm really looking forward to some real world feedback as well as yours.

    Thanks in advance,
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    Yeah feedback would be great as all these percentages confuse me as well..
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    Hey guys, I'm sure DSADE will clear this up, but I believe this 20% extract is going to be an NP product and not a USP product. That being said...

    DSADE, from what I have seen, the joint and anti-inflammatory effects seem to be inverse to the percentage of extract...on the other end of the spectrum, it seems that the anabolism effects are converse to the percentage of extract.

    Will this hold true for your 20% extract or is yet to be seen? (basically, will this extract be more a muscle builder and less for joint support?)
    do you have any studies backing this up?

    I think you are thinking of symmetry here. Jacob of usplabs did mention that symmetry is more of a muscle builder than a joint supplement simply because the particular keto-sterone that is extracted from cissus is more specific to muscle building, that's the claim from USP.

    As a whole extract, I believe cissus is both anabolic and good for the joints

    but of course I am interested to know the actual facts backed by studies...
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    unless nutraplanet is coming with a 20% ketosterone specific to muscle building
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    Quote Originally Posted by raptor2003
    do you have any studies backing this up?

    I think you are thinking of symmetry here. Jacob of usplabs did mention that symmetry is more of a muscle builder than a joint supplement simply because the particular keto-sterone that is extracted from cissus is more specific to muscle building, that's the claim from USP.

    As a whole extract, I believe cissus is both anabolic and good for the joints

    but of course I am interested to know the actual facts backed by studies...
    Yeah, I was thinking about this while I was working out tonight and thought the same thing. I shot USP a copy of my post and asked if he could correct me if I'm wrong and fill me in with the correct info. I asked b/c I wasn't sure and it's possible that I might have confused some Symmetry info with the Cissus high extract info...I'll let you guys know what I find out.

    EDIT: I was not confusing my info with Symmetry. Here is the post that I got the basis of my info from: Megadose Cissus Feedback
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas
    Hey guys, I'm sure DSADE will clear this up, but I believe this 20% extract is going to be an NP product and not a USP product. That being said...

    DSADE, from what I have seen, the joint and anti-inflammatory effects seem to be inverse to the percentage of extract...on the other end of the spectrum, it seems that the anabolism effects are converse to the percentage of extract.

    Will this hold true for your 20% extract or is yet to be seen? (basically, will this extract be more a muscle builder and less for joint support?)
    I think this is due to USP guys trying to promote their extraction as "more anabolic". I had a similar discussion with mulletsoldier but didn't get a clear answer. I think its mostly bs hype, either you get the higher percentage extraction or you dont. I dont think certain ones are magically more anabolic or more anti-inflammatory.

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    Yeah, I have read so many things that I get confused. I understand that Symmetry is an extraction of four of the six ketosterols in Cissus using the four that exert the most anabolic behavior (Mullet broke it down mickey mouse for me not too long ago, so I have that part covered). I just could have sworn that I read [see my posts above]...I could be wrong though...I'll keep digging through old posts and see if I can find it before I get an answer back to my PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine
    I think this is due to USP guys trying to promote their extraction as "more anabolic". I had a similar discussion with mulletsoldier but didn't get a clear answer. I think its mostly bs hype, either you get the higher percentage extraction or you dont. I dont think certain ones are magically more anabolic or more anti-inflammatory.

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    Actually, you ****ing retard, I layed it flat out for you in that thread that if the same 6-keto sterones were present than the result would be the exact same.

    I am not sure what your problem is, or if English is not your first language and as a result does not enable you to function properly, but I think what I told you was pretty clear.

    I never said our extract would be more, or conversely, less anabolic. In fact, we market our product far more on the anti-inflammatory side of things than as an anabolic muscle builder. Get your facts straight, and learn to shut your mouth.

    From that thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    I'm not sure where I was marketing anything, or addressing the anabolic activity of our Cissus compared to a bulk Cissus product, but now that you have brought it up I will.

    The real world advantage as you eloquently put it lies in the extraction itself. If it is not the same ketosterones than the same effect will not be reached irregardless of your dosage. If it is say half of the same extraction then yes doubling the dose will give you the same benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
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    This is a sentence fragment. Please revise.

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    Jeez, you sound like my 4th Grade English teacher when I said the same sentence to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    Jeez, you sound like my 4th Grade English teacher when I said the same sentence to him.
    And you keep wondering why you never graduated!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
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    Respect is a reciprocal process in my eyes, in so far as I treat others with the same respect they afford me. This individual has been nothing but condescending and arrogant in my dealings with him. As well, for reasons I cannot fathom, he decided to go as far as to involve me in a thread I did not, and was not, going to post in, taking my comments out of context once again.

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    That was sorta out of line calling Mullet out in another companie's forum.

    But - let's all agree to get along up in herrre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    Oh I'm good to go.



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    Mullet said he would kiss someone's ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    Mullet said he would kiss someone's ass.

    Out of context quoting is fun this Christmas season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    Man, that was completely in private. You told me that Jay told you to be quiet about my X-Mas present to you guys. Wtf man? Wtf?
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