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    Vitargo with ALA/vanadyl


    Guys, just wanted to clue you in to one of the best pwo combo's ever:

    2 scoops professional supplements vitargo

    600 mgs ALA

    30-40 mgs Vanadyl

    10 g glutamine

    2.4 g CEE

    10 g BCAA's

    Your muscles will feel

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    Quote Originally Posted by grexx
    Guys, just wanted to clue you in to one of the best pwo combo's ever:

    2 scoops professional supplements vitargo

    600 mgs ALA

    30-40 mgs Vanadyl

    10 g glutamine

    2.4 g CEE

    10 g BCAA's

    Your muscles will feel
    i cant wait til after college when i can afford to run PWO mixes like this sounds like a good combo, thanks for the incite.
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    I like everything in that combo except the glutamine. I've been meaning to put an order in for wms to see how I respond to it.
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    I have something that looks like it might compete with WMS. It was sent to me by a manufacturer and is currently a waste product in the manufacture of another plant-baed product.

    It is a vegetable starch. Let me try it out for a few days, post workout, then I will open it up for testers.

    If it works well, I know the price is phenomenal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    I have something that looks like it might compete with WMS. It was sent to me by a manufacturer and is currently a waste product in the manufacture of another plant-baed product.

    It is a vegetable starch. Let me try it out for a few days, post workout, then I will open it up for testers.

    If it works well, I know the price is phenomenal.
    Will it be high or low GI? I really liked Vitargo, but I am trying not to use any high GI products
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    Will it be high or low GI? I really liked Vitargo, but I am trying not to use any high GI products
    I am assuming it is high GI for post Workout, glycogen replenishment, and amplified glucose signalling. I'm going to have to invest in a glucometer and test on myself.

    This is a new application for this product, so let me ask and see if the manufacturer (longshot) has the GI rating.
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    I like the above stack but i'd rather use Cialabol or Na-ALA for the partioning agent. I have used Vitargo before and it kicks ass to say the least. Never used BCAA's before but i will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    I like the above stack but i'd rather use Cialabol or Na-ALA for the partioning agent. I have used Vitargo before and it kicks ass to say the least. Never used BCAA's before but i will.
    I used vitargo for about a year when it first came out, but I stopped using it because of the price. I really felt like I recovered faster and the pumps were amazing. I use BCAAs before and during training now(Xtend to be exact) and I have noticed better endurance.
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    Ya i'm thinking of getting some Excell and adding my AI mango whey (1 scoop) to like 4-5 scoops of Excell and just sip on it during my workout to see what i think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    Ya i'm thinking of getting some Excell and adding my AI mango whey (1 scoop) to like 4-5 scoops of Excell and just sip on it during my workout to see what i think.
    I started using the same preworkout supplements(BCAA's and WPI) as the Scivation crew, but I do eat carbs after I train since I am more of a performance athlete now.
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    waxy maize and a good partitioner is always a good call for PWO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    waxy maize and a good partitioner is always a good call for PWO.
    I'm doing the first subjective test today, after tennis.

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    Tennis and French? bad combo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    Tennis and French? bad combo.
    Tennis + French = Love, no?

    Alas, Love is not my racket anymore...I'd be content to just have her play with my balls.
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    Waxy Maize, does that come in any good flavors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja
    Will it be high or low GI? I really liked Vitargo, but I am trying not to use any high GI products
    Vitargo is a high GI carb.
    I'm trying to avoid hi GI carb too. I stick with oats even after workout and it works very well.

    Chaps, pure waxy maze doesn't have any falvor or artificial sweetner. And that's how I would like it if I would use it one day.
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    From what I can find, the starch I have is low GI. It's used as a thickener.

    I played tennis today, along with a back-bicep workout. I took about 15 grams post workout. My muscles feel full, but I know that is very subjective indicator.

    I think I'll have to call in some more testers.
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    Well being a thickener doesn't mean it's necessarily low GI. White floor is used as a thickener but it's high GI.
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    Do you have access to a glucose meter? Because that would also be some useful information to have.
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    Good point Rostam
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    Quote Originally Posted by grexx
    Guys, just wanted to clue you in to one of the best pwo combo's ever:

    2 scoops professional supplements vitargo

    600 mgs ALA

    30-40 mgs Vanadyl

    10 g glutamine

    2.4 g CEE

    10 g BCAA's

    Your muscles will feel
    That's gotta be the biggest vanadium dose I've ever heard of.
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    Does Vanadyl actually work? I've read that it was up their with Boron as being completely useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHAPS
    Does Vanadyl actually work? I've read that it was up their with Boron as being completely useless.
    It works but it could become toxic at high enough levels.
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    Screw that then, especially with stuff like Cialabol, GXR and Na-ALA on the market now.
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    vanadyl works exceptionally well and I think works better than any k-r-ala or other product for 1/2 the price....
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    I wish i could handle vandyl it breaks me out I am allergic to must sulfas/sulfate compounds it def works though when I used it! HOWS IT GREXX???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apowerz6
    I wish i could handle vandyl it breaks me out I am allergic to must sulfas/sulfate compounds it def works though when I used it! HOWS IT GREXX???

    The sulfate ion is just used to crystalize it. I'm sure if you look, you can find a vanadium supplement with a different anion bonded to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grexx
    vanadyl works exceptionally well and I think works better than any k-r-ala or other product for 1/2 the price....
    More like 1/10
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    yeah, I buy the optimum vs-10's for like $7, and it works very well........
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    Quote Originally Posted by grexx
    yeah, I buy the optimum vs-10's for like $7, and it works very well........
    Vanadyl Sulfate is too dangerous to sell in bulk..but this formula idea is a definite possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rippedforce63
    Do you have access to a glucose meter? Because that would also be some useful information to have.
    Just an FYI, I did some glucose tests taking WMS and it minimally raised my levels. It's posted over at the M&M board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gdawg
    Just an FYI, I did some glucose tests taking WMS and it minimally raised my levels. It's posted over at the M&M board.
    This is strange because even the maker of vitargo admits that vitargo is a high GI carb.
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    How many grams of Vitargo did you dose?
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    It was bulk WMS from TP, but I took 78 grams.

    My BG only went from 87 ---->91 fifteen minutes after. Then I took some protein which made it rise a little more to 105, but the rise seemed to be b/c of the protein. I attribute the second rise to protein because when I took the protein and WMS together my BG went immedieately to 105 after fifteen minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gdawg
    It was bulk WMS from TP, but I took 78 grams.

    My BG only went from 87 ---->91 fifteen minutes after. Then I took some protein which made it rise a little more to 105, but the rise seemed to be b/c of the protein. I attribute the second rise to protein because when I took the protein and WMS together my BG went immedieately to 105 after fifteen minutes.
    Could you do the same test with dextrose or maltodextrine instead of WMS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostam
    Could you do the same test with dextrose or maltodextrine instead of WMS?
    Good idea, for comparison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostam
    Could you do the same test with dextrose or maltodextrine instead of WMS?
    That was actually my original plans, but some things came up and I forgot about it honestly. I'll do it this Thursday, substituting dextrose for WMS as I don't have any malto, and post the results.
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    Thanks, keep us posted. And try to do your test in the same condition than with WMS: Timing, dosage......
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    Okay, I did another test this morning after working out. I used 75 grams of dextrose and ~37 grams of WPI. Comparison:

    Dextrose
    Immediately PWO: 88
    15 minutes: 123
    30 minutes: 156
    45 minutes: 132
    60 minutes: 108

    WMS
    Immediately PWO: 87
    15 minutes: 91
    30 minutes: 105
    45 minutes: 94
    60 minutes: 75
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    If I sent you some of this Pea Starch, would you run another test for me?
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