i recently read some of the j/w logs and they don't seem to be gaining much weight, just increase in recovery/strength a bit/ and everyone claims to be horny. as far as hyperdrol is concerned, i havent seen anyone even selling it yet, and RR has some figures in their discription about how much free nat. test it frees up. i think stacking RR and CEE and a high protein diet would make for an interesting log and those two together cost about the same as j/w.