Goodbye FUZU...Hello FUZE
- 02-24-2005, 08:04 PM
- 02-24-2005, 08:24 PM
Originally Posted by Scivation
So you are saying its ok to put out a lower quality product with your primaforce line?. "You get what you pay for" is just an excuse for people to charge more for something. I mean I can go and buy Head & Shoulders Shampoo for $4.99, or I can buy the store brand for $1.99 and you look at the ingredient list and its the exact same thing!. The only difference is it doesn't have a fancy package or fancy label!.
02-24-2005, 08:50 PM
No, I don't think he said that at allSo you are saying its ok to put out a lower quality product with your primaforce line?.
02-24-2005, 08:51 PM
Have you looked at his line? Find something that is overpriced."You get what you pay for" is just an excuse for people to charge more for something.
02-24-2005, 10:16 PM
Marc's products are quality products....plain and simple. One of the true measure of a companies product line is return customers. Marc's products praised from just about everyone and are well priced for the ingredients. Take that for what you want.
02-24-2005, 10:29 PM
I'm sorry you may have mis-understood what I've been trying to say. I'm just saying that he should pay as much attention to quality control and also stength and amount of ingredients with his primaforce line as with his scivation line. It seems to me he is saying if you pay for primaforce you are not going to get as good as quality as a scivation product. I'm saying it should be just as good for the same price. Thats why I included the example of the shampoo purchase in my post. I have purchased his products before, I tried the nitrocharge and also the Methyl-rage. Well the nitrocharge came without any kind of seal to the product. The Methyl-rage capsules aren't consistantly filled caps. I'm just saying just because it costs less doesn't mean you should be allowed to skimp on quality control or amount of active ingredient per serving. I'm not trying to flame the company or anything, just trying to have an intelligent conversation. If I sound like I'm puting down him or his company I appologize. I have a hard time explaining myself and getting my point across. Its just me, I have a hard time explaining things in general.
02-24-2005, 11:02 PM
Sir,Originally Posted by T-Bone
I put equal attention and care into both companies. The only difference is the marketing angle. I would never be able to have people take a scientifically advanced endurance and recovery enhancer like Xtend seriously if it shared a brand name with a plain old kilo jug of creatine.
I have always stood by the quality of my lines. I wish you would have addressed the Nitrocharge and Methyl-Rage issues with me directly and I would have made good on them. Nitrocharge had a seal, but it sometimes gets caught on the inside of the lid and doesn't adhere to the bottle. My email is [email protected] and I am always open to correspondence. You will never find me hiding behind a big corporate office.
I will stand by my lines and support my retailers 100% and I will also do what it takes to earn your long-term trust and business. I meant when I said "you get what you pay for" that what is on the label is what is in the product. It is up to you to decide if that ingredient is right for you.
On a more positive note, email me your mailing address and I'll send you some samples of the yummiest protein around--Substance WPI!
02-24-2005, 11:05 PM
With all due respect, packaging inconsistencies does not always equate to a poor quality product, but I do see your point . I can only speculate that when a new company is launched especially one that is starting off small with limited funds, that there is a trial and error period where you have to find the right source to cap, package, and label your products. Sometimes you luck out and find one that get's the job done and sometimes you strike out and have minor discrepancies. It's a learning curve for any business that's starting anew. Perfect examples: Designer Supplements and Custom Nutrition Warehouse...look how their packaging has evolved, but their quality has never been questioned. I have the utmost respect for these "indy companies" who start out small and grow there businesses by offering quality and excellent customer service.
02-24-2005, 11:43 PM
No prob bro.....a lot of people on the net forget that a lot is lost in the written word......O and hey Marc....any chance I could get couple of samples for me and my lady to try! I loved the grape sample so much I just recently bought a jug from Stryder and my lady is a watermelon person so we would both be interested in some samples (more future sales for you I am sure!). I know you really don't want to tell but any chance of you hinting at what flavors are next, especially the one you have as a favorite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Originally Posted by T-Bone
02-25-2005, 01:11 AM
Originally Posted by Sir Foxx
yea well not like we can ask derek anymore....think hes in hiding with the witness protection agency or something.he could aslo be kaiser soso or however u spell it
02-25-2005, 06:01 AM
i ordered prima force creatine, ala, and alcar. i will let everyone know my opinion after i get it if they want. ok then i will just go ahead and do that.
i understand what you are saying about your products.
primaforce = jug of creatine
scivation = product with many cutting edge ingredients like something ds would put out
02-25-2005, 06:19 AM
Wow. I really respect you for being so nice to me. When I look at those posts I made, in retro-spect I sound like real bitch. I guess I am just a really picky consumer and I expect the most for my money. Thanks for being so understanding of my issues.Originally Posted by Scivation
02-25-2005, 09:05 AM
02-25-2005, 09:06 AM
It is your right as a consumer to question everything you purchase and it is my dutie as company president to make you happy.Originally Posted by T-Bone
02-25-2005, 09:23 AM
02-27-2005, 04:18 PM
Yes, Marc is the man.
I've been using Primaforce creatine for some time and must say that it is the highest quality and yet lowest priced creatine I've had (out of 4 others). The powder is very fine and it comes with a rediculously long scooper. The seal does get stuck on the upper part of the lid but there is also a plastic seal on the outside of the product. Watermelon Substance WPI is the candy protein. The only problem I have with it is how hard it is to stir. But it's worth it Primaforce is quality stuff.
Scivation Neurostim is also a great prod. Got me through some very rough mornings and made an other wise sluggish day quite productive. Tastes great in orange juice.
There, I'm done.
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02-27-2005, 06:31 PM
I also vouch for Marc, not only is the guy a gentleman, he firmly believes in his products, a couple of which I’ve tried and are top notch. Period. I haven't tried the creatine or WPI unfortunetly.
02-27-2005, 08:32 PM
MaNiaK1027,Originally Posted by MaNiaK1027
Can you explain what the grape taste like exactly? I ask because some say grape and only have a hint of grape. Wheres I just treid EAS Performance Protein grape drink and I could drink it everyday, multiple times aday. Taste alot like cool-aid.
02-27-2005, 08:43 PM
the primaforce grape tastes honestly like kool-aid blows nectar out the water..no problem..very pleasant..
02-28-2005, 12:25 AM
The Primaforce Grape is excellent. It reminds me of grape chewing gum. However, I do understand why some people could have issues with this Fuze product. Maybe we can get some reviews soon.
02-28-2005, 01:16 AM
Awsome! Thanks guys. My GF loves Nector and she was bummed that Syntrax was bought out. She's going to be happy with this news. Any one tried the watermelon?
02-28-2005, 08:40 AM
YES, I'd love to see some feedback posted in this thread...that would be most helpful for all the skepticsOriginally Posted by size
02-28-2005, 10:42 AM
02-28-2005, 12:01 PM
I love the watermelon, it's like bubliciuos (sp) the chewing gum, like Size referenced.Originally Posted by LCSULLA
02-28-2005, 02:11 PM
The Substance WPI proteins are great but they aren't perfect (hint hint Marc).
The flavors both smell amazing and are dead-on for accurate flavor. What I mean is, the grape tastes like grape candy, the watermelon like watermelon candy. However, they both have a kind of bitter/chemical after taste. Also, they are a bitch to stir. Eventually they do dissolve, but you have to be patient because they get sticky and clumpy and you gotta mash up the clumps with your spoon. Beware, the powder sticks worse to glass than to plastic. Still, I've already gone through 3 containers of watermelon and my roomate has gone through 1. Altogether, 4 watermelons and 1 grape Substance WPI have passed through this house.
So, Marc, maybe this issues can be solved in the future? If so, then you'll have a perfect product cheaper than 90% of the juice proteins available.
Can't wait till the new flavor comes out. I'm drueling!!!
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02-28-2005, 08:15 PM
Are you guys using water to mix or something else? If these taste like you all say they do in water then I am sold!!
02-28-2005, 08:30 PM
hey stryder i got a drawer full of grape wpi samples any watermelons? from the looks of this fuze it seems like u need 4 caps to equal 2 of fuzu..im starting tomorrow tho at 2 caps 3x a day..at that dosage fuzu made it uncomfortablefor me and my gf..lol
02-28-2005, 09:10 PM
This is mixed in water. It would be disgusting in milk. Add a little orange juive to the watermelon Substance and you have a most delicious cocktail.Originally Posted by LCSULLA
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02-28-2005, 09:56 PM
The way Wojo and Size described the protein is the best I could do....the grape is like Big Leage Chew and tastes like a grape Kool-Aid! I will be getting some Watermelon in next week or so and will tell you how it tastes and may try it with some OJ as well, the true test is if my lady likes it (she likes the Grape and started eating it out of the tub)! I just wanted to say that I contacted Marc Lobliner and he does not indeed hide behind any employees. I felt he was kind, courteous, and actually really cool. He took time out of his VERY BUSY day to help me out! People like him deserve your respect and your patronage! Marc will definitely be selling more stuff as I am a big fan of him and his company, now more so than ever! Please support the dude. I also am awaiting more flavors from Primaforce, whichever it may be!
02-28-2005, 11:30 PM
I just ordered some Fuze today and I will be using it in conjuction with Rebound XT after I start my first superdrol cycle in about 3 weeks, However If I get some of Designers new non-hormonal before that I will use Fuze and Rebound if PCT is necessary. I have used FUZU in the past and wow what a wild summer I had.
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