Yeah I noticed that, I always thought that FUZU's listed mgs measured the "complex" which is the combined sum of the saponins and the whole herb, but if the listed mgs is the actual standardized saponin content, than it is stronger...fuzu's numbers are the actual saponin extracts..so its a little stronger..damn stryder looks like ur about to get all my business
LOL not yet I have to see how everything goes first. I'm aiming high for the 90% mark :thumbsup: Hell the last two short cycles I ran I kept 100% of my gains, no joke, no bs. Last cycle I actually gained 3lbs PCT with little change in bf%.Please enlighten us to your PCT methods JMINIS!
Yes, exactly!. Do I not understand this correctly?. When comparing tribulis products, I see vitrix is 80% and fuze is 45%. Maybe I don't understand exactly what the percentage means. However, if it means the fuze is only slightly more than half the strength of vitrix than its really not worth it because you will have to mega dose the fuze to get the same effects as taking the recommended dosage of vitrix!.I guess the % extract will depend on how effective fuzE is in relation to fuzu.
Yeah I noticed that, I always thought that FUZU's listed mgs measured the "complex" which is the combined sum of the saponins and the whole herb, but if the listed mgs is the actual standardized saponin content, than it is stronger...
Oh, and by the way...thanks for the business
Not yet but i'm getting therejminis has mastered the art of post cycle therapy :hammer:
Actually the FUZE has a higher total saponin content than the Vitrix. If the Vitrix total saponin content is soley derived from the Tribulus, than that is 800 mg of saponins from 6 pills, or 133.33 mg/pill. The FUZE would be a total saponin content of 303.75/pill.Yes, exactly!. Do I not understand this correctly?. When comparing tribulis products, I see vitrix is 80% and fuze is 45%. Maybe I don't understand exactly what the percentage means. However, if it means the fuze is only slightly more than half the strength of vitrix than its really not worth it because you will have to mega dose the fuze to get the same effects as taking the recommended dosage of vitrix!.
I guess I am confused. I read david tolsens article on bulknutrition.com and it doesn't really explain about saponins. Anyway from what I have read on message boards and other articles tribulis seems to have a reputation for being basically a worthless product. There is no evidence that it actually increases testosterone levels. Also I think primaforce is poor quality. Primaforce and Scivation are the same and primaforce is supose to be a cheaper alternative for poor folks like myself. I do like the fact the they have cheaper products but they shouldn't make them cheaper in quality. When I go shopping I usually buy the store brands for certain items, and most of them these items are exactly the same thing with exactly the same quality. What primaforce seems to be doing is saying to themselves, "well since this is for the "cheaper alternative" we will use less quality control and inferior product ingredients, "it doesn't matter because its cheaper". Now if they think that thats gonna make people buy there more expensive Scivation brand products they got another thing coming. Just upsets me because for those of us without much money its almost like a trap...Understand what I'm trying to say?Actually the FUZE has a higher total saponin content than the Vitrix. If the Vitrix total saponin content is soley derived from the Tribulus, than that is 800 mg of saponins from 6 pills, or 133.33 mg/pill. The FUZE would be a total saponin content of 303.75/pill.
Sir,I guess I am confused. I read david tolsens article on bulknutrition.com and it doesn't really explain about saponins. Anyway from what I have read on message boards and other articles tribulis seems to have a reputation for being basically a worthless product. There is no evidence that it actually increases testosterone levels. Also I think primaforce is poor quality. Primaforce and Scivation are the same and primaforce is supose to be a cheaper alternative for poor folks like myself. I do like the fact the they have cheaper products but they shouldn't make them cheaper in quality. When I go shopping I usually buy the store brands for certain items, and most of them these items are exactly the same thing with exactly the same quality. What primaforce seems to be doing is saying to themselves, "well since this is for the "cheaper alternative" we will use less quality control and inferior product ingredients, "it doesn't matter because its cheaper". Now if they think that thats gonna make people buy there more expensive Scivation brand products they got another thing coming. Just upsets me because for those of us without much money its almost like a trap...Understand what I'm trying to say?
If there is no good substitute for FUZU we can always use your avatar. That pic is boosting my test levels right now. (Please don't change your avatar to a guy or an animal or something:sad: ).j-rod would prob know the whole story here..someone should ask him for all iknow derek could have been Bsing..but damn that was one strong pill lol
Yeah, J-Rod is the fountain of integrityj-rod would prob know the whole story here..someone should ask him for all iknow derek could have been Bsing..but damn that was one strong pill lol
While some may debate the efficacy of Tribulus, I stand behind the fact that you are getting what you paid for.
Thanks!
Marc Lobliner
No, I don't think he said that at allSo you are saying its ok to put out a lower quality product with your primaforce line?.
Have you looked at his line? Find something that is overpriced."You get what you pay for" is just an excuse for people to charge more for something.
Sir,I'm sorry you may have mis-understood what I've been trying to say. I'm just saying that he should pay as much attention to quality control and also stength and amount of ingredients with his primaforce line as with his scivation line. It seems to me he is saying if you pay for primaforce you are not going to get as good as quality as a scivation product. I'm saying it should be just as good for the same price. Thats why I included the example of the shampoo purchase in my post. I have purchased his products before, I tried the nitrocharge and also the Methyl-rage. Well the nitrocharge came without any kind of seal to the product. The Methyl-rage capsules aren't consistantly filled caps. I'm just saying just because it costs less doesn't mean you should be allowed to skimp on quality control or amount of active ingredient per serving. I'm not trying to flame the company or anything, just trying to have an intelligent conversation. If I sound like I'm puting down him or his company I appologize. I have a hard time explaining myself and getting my point across. Its just me, I have a hard time explaining things in general.
No prob bro.....a lot of people on the net forget that a lot is lost in the written word......O and hey Marc....any chance I could get couple of samples for me and my lady to try! I loved the grape sample so much I just recently bought a jug from Stryder and my lady is a watermelon person so we would both be interested in some samples (more future sales for you I am sure!). I know you really don't want to tell but any chance of you hinting at what flavors are next, especially the one you have as a favorite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If I sound like I'm puting down him or his company I appologize. I have a hard time explaining myself and getting my point across.
Yeah, J-Rod is the fountain of integrity
:lol:
Just bustin your balls Wojo :rofl:
Wow. I really respect you for being so nice to me. When I look at those posts I made, in retro-spect I sound like real bitch. I guess I am just a really picky consumer and I expect the most for my money. Thanks for being so understanding of my issues.Sir,
I put equal attention and care into both companies. The only difference is the marketing angle. I would never be able to have people take a scientifically advanced endurance and recovery enhancer like Xtend seriously if it shared a brand name with a plain old kilo jug of creatine.
I have always stood by the quality of my lines. I wish you would have addressed the Nitrocharge and Methyl-Rage issues with me directly and I would have made good on them. Nitrocharge had a seal, but it sometimes gets caught on the inside of the lid and doesn't adhere to the bottle. My email is [email protected] and I am always open to correspondence. You will never find me hiding behind a big corporate office.
I will stand by my lines and support my retailers 100% and I will also do what it takes to earn your long-term trust and business. I meant when I said "you get what you pay for" that what is on the label is what is in the product. It is up to you to decide if that ingredient is right for you.
On a more positive note, email me your mailing address and I'll send you some samples of the yummiest protein around--Substance WPI!
Thanks!
Marc Lobliner
I should have the watermelon single-serving samples in soon. Email me your address to [email protected] and I'll hook it up.No prob bro.....a lot of people on the net forget that a lot is lost in the written word......O and hey Marc....any chance I could get couple of samples for me and my lady to try! I loved the grape sample so much I just recently bought a jug from Stryder and my lady is a watermelon person so we would both be interested in some samples (more future sales for you I am sure!). I know you really don't want to tell but any chance of you hinting at what flavors are next, especially the one you have as a favorite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is your right as a consumer to question everything you purchase and it is my dutie as company president to make you happy.Wow. I really respect you for being so nice to me. When I look at those posts I made, in retro-spect I sound like real bitch. I guess I am just a really picky consumer and I expect the most for my money. Thanks for being so understanding of my issues.
MaNiaK1027,No prob bro.....a lot of people on the net forget that a lot is lost in the written word......O and hey Marc....any chance I could get couple of samples for me and my lady to try! I loved the grape sample so much I just recently bought a jug from Stryder and my lady is a watermelon person so we would both be interested in some samples (more future sales for you I am sure!). I know you really don't want to tell but any chance of you hinting at what flavors are next, especially the one you have as a favorite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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