- 01-25-2005, 10:21 PM
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- 01-26-2005, 01:22 PM
01-26-2005, 02:54 PM
I should pipe in here that GHRP-6 does not do much when dosed orally, because the dosing required is 20-40mg/dose. At any dose lower than that, it won't be very effective. And since you'll have to dose 2-3x per day, for at least 90 days or so to see anything, you would use aroudn 10.8g of GHRP-6, and at around $500/gram, you can see how expensive it would be.Originally Posted by lozgod
01-26-2005, 05:19 PM
01-26-2005, 05:24 PM
Obviously. My point (I guess I didnt really make it clear) was that these peptides really require either intranasal or, of course, injection, as a method of administration.Originally Posted by lozgod
Unless hemogex has a ton of GHRP-2 per serving (GHRP-2 and 6 are similar here in their dosing and effects) there is no way it should be beneficial.
My point was to tie this fact in with hemogex, since this is a thread on hemogex. I realize you are talking about GHRP-6 IM as an alternative, I probably should not have quoted you as your post wasnt really in reference to hemogex.
01-26-2005, 05:27 PM
Yeah, I agree. Everything you said about GHRP-6 is relative to GHRP-2. For the product to be effective it would have to cost an astronomical amount.Originally Posted by Enigma76
01-26-2005, 05:32 PM
Also from all of the studies I have read the GHRP-6 injections were in the range of 70-90mcg's daily, and it is proven to work. I can post studies if needed.
01-26-2005, 05:35 PM
I might also add that I've dug up studies done showing that the GHRPs actually cause a positive endogenous output of GH even in the presence of rHGH (exogenous GH). So it could act like HCG during an anabolic cycle. It isnt a really significant output, but its an output nonetheless.
Also, they show a marked synergy when used in conjunction with GHRH (growth hormone releasing hormone). I think the best time would be to use the GHRPs when your body's natural GHRH is high, to take advantage of the synergy there. Such times would be during fasting (when waking up prior to eating), and post workout (when the body spikes GH naturally).
Also, glucose consumption causes inhibition of GH release (due to insulin release I think). The GHRPs have shown to be able to elevate GH even in the presence of glucose.
Overall these compounds are extremely good, if you are willing to inject. It also seems that the effect of the GHRPs diminishes after afew hours. So optimally, you would want 2x per day dosing.
There are orally bioavailable (like above 60% oral bioavailability) non-peptidyl versions of them, but most of them (if not all) are patented by Merck and are being researched for the exact purpose we are looking at here, raising natty GH levels. They are in the process of receiving a patent for the use of their product for GH deficient patients and such.
When they receive this patent, they'll be churning this stuff out, and it should appear on the black market as a viable alternative to HGH (another interesting point about these Merck drugs is that they raise serum IGF-1 levels as well as serum GH levels).
01-26-2005, 05:43 PM
From what I am finding out GHRP actually elevates insulin levels, and the longer you are on it the longer they stay elevated. To counter this the use of IGF comes in to play, because when the 2 are taken together the insulin levels don't rise.Originally Posted by Enigma76
The one I am more interested in is the GHRP-6 antagonist. Lots of good things about it, the only thing is I can not find anything on dosing. Maybe you can help me out.
01-26-2005, 08:15 PM
There are numerous studies I've seen with dosing. GHRP-2 studies can be used for dosing on GHRP-6, although the 2 analog is more potent (slightly) than the 6.
Via IV or a subq bolus, maximal dosing seems to be 2mcg/kg. Many long terms studies I've seen though don't use maximal dosing, more like 1mcg/kg.
The thing that worries me though is that from what I've seen, the GH response to these peptides dies in a couple hours (another thing thats awesome about the Merck drugs, they produce elevated GH levels for 24 hours, so you only need once a day dosing). So you might need to inject multiple times per day.
I think the best, if you wanted to inject once per day, would be 2mcg/kg subq, after a workout. If you could do 2x per day, I'd say once in the morning prior to eating and once post workout.
01-26-2005, 08:21 PM
04-13-2005, 03:00 PM
04-13-2005, 03:46 PM
04-13-2005, 04:25 PM
04-13-2005, 05:14 PM
04-16-2005, 09:17 AM
04-19-2005, 11:00 PM
Seems like interesting stuff......with the alcohol in this stuff could it not be pinned subq? I wonder just how much GHRP2 is in it?
btw what are the Merck drugs that raise the level for 24 hours?
04-19-2005, 11:06 PM
04-20-2005, 06:27 PM
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05-15-2005, 12:35 AM
05-15-2005, 04:52 PM
LOL, not that this has anything to do with the thread, but yeah that was a complete waste of about a minute. Why even put that on a website?Originally Posted by mmorpheuss
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