I know bigswole and have met him in person, I trust him...
i have always known bs to be a good guy i was just busting balls..lol
bump, except the meeting in person partOriginally Posted by stryder
That's cool. I believe ya, I don't want anyone to think I was breaking balls. I actually been researching ways to raise my natural HGH levels, because I am taking rHGH and feel like I am wasting money. So I am well aware that there are natural ways to double and triple your HGH levels with amino acids alone. I may try this product.Originally Posted by bigswole30
Do you keep it in cool storage?
Have you gotten any feedback on it?
Yes, I keep them in the fridge. No feedback yet. To be honest, it really hasn't taken off for me...
Im interested in trying it eventully, but its just so expensive, and not much feedback.
Is there any word on how much is in each dose? There is GHRP-6 available which is also proven to work and you know exactly how much you are taking.
Enigma sent me alot of info via PM that I cannot access now, but the gist was GHRP-6 did not really do much, if anything.
Their is a lot of information on Endojournals that sais otherwise. It is all dose dependent. I am actually going to be a guinea pig for it so I will let everyone know.Originally Posted by custom
Please keep us updated.
All signs point to this being a quality product just damn pricey.
I'll see what I can do...
I should pipe in here that GHRP-6 does not do much when dosed orally, because the dosing required is 20-40mg/dose. At any dose lower than that, it won't be very effective. And since you'll have to dose 2-3x per day, for at least 90 days or so to see anything, you would use aroudn 10.8g of GHRP-6, and at around $500/gram, you can see how expensive it would be.Originally Posted by lozgod
That's why you don't take it orally. You inject it.Originally Posted by Enigma76
Obviously. My point (I guess I didnt really make it clear) was that these peptides really require either intranasal or, of course, injection, as a method of administration.Originally Posted by lozgod
Unless hemogex has a ton of GHRP-2 per serving (GHRP-2 and 6 are similar here in their dosing and effects) there is no way it should be beneficial.
My point was to tie this fact in with hemogex, since this is a thread on hemogex. I realize you are talking about GHRP-6 IM as an alternative, I probably should not have quoted you as your post wasnt really in reference to hemogex.
Yeah, I agree. Everything you said about GHRP-6 is relative to GHRP-2. For the product to be effective it would have to cost an astronomical amount.Originally Posted by Enigma76
Also from all of the studies I have read the GHRP-6 injections were in the range of 70-90mcg's daily, and it is proven to work. I can post studies if needed.
I might also add that I've dug up studies done showing that the GHRPs actually cause a positive endogenous output of GH even in the presence of rHGH (exogenous GH). So it could act like HCG during an anabolic cycle. It isnt a really significant output, but its an output nonetheless.
Also, they show a marked synergy when used in conjunction with GHRH (growth hormone releasing hormone). I think the best time would be to use the GHRPs when your body's natural GHRH is high, to take advantage of the synergy there. Such times would be during fasting (when waking up prior to eating), and post workout (when the body spikes GH naturally).
Also, glucose consumption causes inhibition of GH release (due to insulin release I think). The GHRPs have shown to be able to elevate GH even in the presence of glucose.
Overall these compounds are extremely good, if you are willing to inject. It also seems that the effect of the GHRPs diminishes after afew hours. So optimally, you would want 2x per day dosing.
There are orally bioavailable (like above 60% oral bioavailability) non-peptidyl versions of them, but most of them (if not all) are patented by Merck and are being researched for the exact purpose we are looking at here, raising natty GH levels. They are in the process of receiving a patent for the use of their product for GH deficient patients and such.
When they receive this patent, they'll be churning this stuff out, and it should appear on the black market as a viable alternative to HGH (another interesting point about these Merck drugs is that they raise serum IGF-1 levels as well as serum GH levels).
From what I am finding out GHRP actually elevates insulin levels, and the longer you are on it the longer they stay elevated. To counter this the use of IGF comes in to play, because when the 2 are taken together the insulin levels don't rise.Originally Posted by Enigma76
The one I am more interested in is the GHRP-6 antagonist. Lots of good things about it, the only thing is I can not find anything on dosing. Maybe you can help me out.