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[QUOTE=AE14;2345288]Totally agree, and I also believe that NP does make their customers happy, or at least will do whatever they can to do so.
Please remember that NP uses the quotes they are given, there is no alteration in that price whatsoever[/QUO
I trust you, I was just questioning... I hope NP will provide a solution. As you can see we are all international customers that are mostly happy but the increase of shipment price we have seen last few years is making us unhappy and seeking to local retailers when possible.
For instance the supplement market in France has deeply changed and there is a lot of competition on the net and offer free shipment like NP does for its US customers.
We are getting more and more supplement stores here too. I am living in the south of France and only last year 4 new stores have opened in 20 kms around my town and that a lot for a country like Frace where bodybuilding is not a significant activity.
If international business represents a great pourcentage for NP, then they have to do something, otherwise they are going to loose their foreign customers.
As stated multiple times by multiple CSR's and board reps; we are giving you OUR cost for shipping with NO mark up. If I were in your shoes I would do what is prudent for me as well. Rest assured NP is doing ALL they can. I imagine IF international customers were indeed that great a percentage then there may be a little more weight to push around with the shippers.
Most of countries don't bother to check small packages since the cost of doing this is higher than Tariff you can get. In EU or UK the 'repay' might be higher because Tariff + VAT can be over 25% of value thus worthy doing.
I too would shop elsewhere until things improve here. As you have stated multiple times you have alternatives that are more cost effective and I too would venture to use them as well. Beating a horse, this horse, seems vindictive at best and antagonizing at worst.
As stated multiple times NP is doing their best to improve their international shipping fees. In the mean, please do as you will.
the discussion seems a bit off focus.
it's not really about did NP make the best effort or bigger or smaller customers group. At least for me, I was asking for more options of shipping methods.
If I don't need to receive within a week, can I have cheaper fair? I can wait, if waiting can save me 18 USD or more. Yeah, fedex gives faster and better service, but can oversea customers have another option for slower parcel shipping? If NP can't be bothered to take small amount of parcels to post office everyday, I am even fine if they send it once a week as long as the shipping fees can be low? It shouldn't be that hard for NP to do?
Shipping via USPS (not express) its normally 7-8 days. But you also get tracking (which gets updated slowly)
DHl express is normally $20 for 6 bottles and is fully tracked and its normally 5-6 days
I can see if you go the iherb route and people get there package lost its going to cause you all sorts of headaches.
Its really great its being looked into and im very interested to see how it all goes.
Ok, let me see if I can summarize the discussion here. It seems the focus has shifted a bit more to the international shipping side which is a different beast altogether. We currently use Fed Ex and USPS because they have given us (and therefore you) the best rates so far. We are certainly open to looking at other carriers, but to this point we have not received any quotes from anyone which would save our customers money. We do not make any money on our shipping fees, and in fact, last year paid quite a bit more to ship your products than you actually paid to have them shipped. All I can say is that we DO care about our international customers and want to provide the best service possible. I also understand that if a shop opens up near to where you live and they have a competitive price, it will always be cheaper to buy it there and not pay shipping costs.
I have personally been working with our Fed Ex international representatives to find ways to not only provide a cheaper method of shipping, but also a way to clear customs faster and with fewer duties and taxes.
I know that it appears unfair for our international customers that we offer free domestic shipping on orders over a certain dollar amount. I would be open to something similar with international orders, however finding that dollar amount would be somewhat difficult to do considering international taxes/duties. I would not want a customer to have to place such a large order to receive free shipping that the benefit would be negated by increased duties/taxes.
So, I have a couple of questions for our international customers:
1. Would you be willing to sacrifice delivery time (ie. a slower delivery) and the possible inability to track your package in exchange for a lower shipping cost?
2. If we included the estimated duties and taxes when you checked out so that you did not have to pay them on delivery would that be preferable?
Rest assured, we are constantly striving to find ways to provide our customers both domestic and international with the best service possible.
PS, Id definitely give up ability to track parcel. I couldn't care less bout tracking it personally, whatever knocks the price down!
1. your website already has two shipping options to choose (although they are not too different price), so I think it shouldn't be a problem, if someone wants it shipped fast, he can always choose fedex and pay for it. If people like me choose cheap fees, then they agree for what's offered.
Untraced package must be cheaper. I don't mind slower shipping, but hope you will have a nice policy for 'product not received' case in untraced shipping.
2. I am not very sure about pre-paid duties and taxes.
You might need to ask some experts because i think different countries have different rates of tariff and taxes, even one country has different rate of tariff base on different goods, different amount, and different years. I don't think it's very easy for you to count precisely.
Thanks for the input so far....I'm not on here as much as I'd like to be, so feel free to P.M. me as well with any input you may have. I truly want to make this work for our international customers.
I did want to Order for NP but its to expensive with shipping, your prices are cheaper, ....(mod edit: please do not reference other retailers..thank you) pretty much pays for shipping unless i buy proteins.. so i have cheaper shipping + coupon....
Fedex may be good in America, but here they are more strict than the real Australian customs, somtimes they dont even let through stuff thats legal here. They also take forever to have things cleared.
A big thank you for looking into this, im looking forward to the results!