whats up with this bunk phenibut?
- 09-09-2009, 10:07 PM
- 09-10-2009, 06:44 PM
09-10-2009, 07:21 PM
Why would you assume that it is bunk due to texture? Different batches are sure to change color/texture...
I would bring this up directly with NutraPlanet, they can fill you in on their source and origin.
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09-10-2009, 07:25 PM
09-10-2009, 08:16 PM
09-11-2009, 03:14 AM
09-11-2009, 09:01 AM
Most powders will either come in a granular or powder type form. Granulars are typically used in dried powder blends while powdered are used in food products and liquid products as it tends to be more soluable in water.
But there should be NO difference in the two in regards to effectiveness.
09-14-2009, 01:34 PM
09-18-2009, 01:55 PM
Or are there really differences in the chemical composition...
09-22-2009, 11:48 AM
just an update.
I took 300mg on friday and nothing happened. waited two days took 1000mg yesterday and nothing. I felt the same as i do always.
09-22-2009, 12:18 PM
I have personally encountered a lot of people who did not know that you should only use Phenibut 3-4 times per week tops, with at least 3-4 days off.
Personally, I love this product to help promote a very relaxing sleep on those "more stressful" days. I have used NutraPlanet's brand, Primaforce's brand, and Phenibut XT by SNS. I usually dose around 500mg to 1,000mg and they all seem to have the same effect per dose, unless I use them too frequently.
09-22-2009, 12:22 PM
09-22-2009, 01:41 PM
i only used it twice so far once at 300mg and once at 1000mg and both times i got nothing.Oh and i skipped a day between the doses. I buy bulks from NP all the time never had a problem. I mean if you guys say it's legit, i beleive you. Maybe i just don't respond to it.
Either way i had the phenibut on the way when i saw this thread so i gave my feed back. If you guys get any info on the batch let me know.For now I'll just play with the dosing and if nothing changes i'll just chalk it up to a loss and move on.
09-22-2009, 06:42 PM
09-23-2009, 06:21 AM
09-23-2009, 07:32 AM
10-01-2009, 04:54 PM
I have spent dozens of hours trying to find out what has happened to phenibut. What has already been stated here appears to be very trueóit affects all phenibut from all retailers. The old stuff had a crystalline texture, and tasted distinctly like tartaric acid, with a sulfurous note. It dissolved freely in water. If not overused, its effects were virtually indistinguishable from benzodiazepines. The new stuff is bull****. It is powdered, and strongly hydrophobic. It has no discernable flavor. If it even has an effect at all, it just makes the user feel fatigued. Despite repeated attempts on my part to secure a response from Bulk Nutrition, they simply refused to acknowledge the issue and eventually just removed the 1fast400 product from their catalog. Every other brand on the market exhibits the same properties as the 1fast400 product. The old crystalline sour phenibut is simply no longer available anywhere. Despite hours of searching for an answer, I have come up with nothing. All Iíve been able to determine is that it all comes from China, and appears to be manufactured by more than one Chinese company. I have ordered one 50-gram bottle of NPís product and will give it a shot. If it doesnít work, then I give up. The only plausible theory that I can come up with is this: the old product was phenibut citrate, and was imported from Russia. When it became popular, Russian suppliers couldnít keep up with the demand and the Chinese stepped in, providing an inferior salt, possibly a HCl. Right now thatís the only explanation I can come up with.
10-01-2009, 05:01 PM
Let us know what you figure out Boooee, sounds like an interesting line of thinking.
10-01-2009, 10:44 PM
The only brand Iíve tried that even seems to come close to our old friend is the Relentless Improvement offering. However, itís fairly expensive (no bulk, caps only) and definitely is not the old phenibut, despite the fact that it does seem to have some sleep-inducing properties. When I broke open a capsule and tasted it, it had only a slightly sour taste. (The Primaforce brand was completely tasteless; at first I suspected that they had sold me a bottle of cornstarch.) When I tried to dissolve the RI brand, it floated on the surface of the water, unless I violently agitated it, at which point it coated the inside of the glass and the surface of the spoon. It was so hydrophobic that is was unwettable. As I mentioned above, NP is my last resort. I was so impressed with their bulk piracetam that I decided to give them a shot and see if they could produce some real phenibut. To be perfectly honest though, Iím not very optimistic. But Iím not going to hold it against them if they donít come through for me, since it appears that all manufacturers are exporting an inferior and/or bogus product.
I think I may have found something. Apparently phenibut has several isomers or enantiomorphs. It seems that s-phenibut is not psychoactive. (I tried to provide a cite for this, but I was told that I couldnít link because my post count wasnít high enough. Type "comparative pharmacological activity of optical isomers of phenibut" into Google and youíll get the paper.) This may explain why weíre seeing ďguaranteed assaysĒ at 95%+, but the stuff still doesnít work. Itís phenibut, but itís not the right type of phenibut.
10-02-2009, 12:00 PM
Thanks for the insight, Booee.
Personally, I'd rather take Phenibut in cap form, seeing that in powdered form, the sour taste lingers for a while, which I do not like. Therefore, I usually grab up a bottle of SNS's Phenibut XT and I have yet to complain. I have used many different brands and this one seems to always work very well for me. I have only used NutraPlanet's brand once (again, I don't like the powder form), but it was about 3/4 a year ago. At that time, it did portray the same great affects of the SNS brand. I'll try out the NutraPlanet brand again this weekend, to see if I notice any difference in effectiveness.
10-02-2009, 02:38 PM
Iím getting warmer. Baclofen exists as an s-isomer, an r-isomer, and a racemateóa 50:50 mixture of both. As with phenibut, the s-isomer has no biological activity. Again, the powers-that-be wonít allow me to link, so Google the following press release:
XenoPort Announces Results of a Phase 1 Clinical Trial and Plans for Additional Phase 2 Clinical Trials of XP19986.
Hereís the salient paragraph:
Studies have shown that the beneficial therapeutic properties of baclofen are attributable to the R-isomer of baclofen only. R-baclofen is a selective agonist of GABA-B receptors. Baclofen has a short half-life in blood after oral dosing, which necessitates frequent daily dosing and is associated with unwanted side effects. Absorption of baclofen in the colon is limited, which has prevented the development of a sustained-release formulation that could address these deficiencies.
10-07-2009, 05:19 PM
As promised, here’s my assessment of NP’s phenibut. It’s still not as good as the old stuff, but it’s closer than anything else I’ve tried, including Relentless Improvement’s brand, which has a stated purity of 100% as measured by an independent third party. Unlike any other product I’ve tried, NP’s phenibut meets two of the three comparison criteria that I’ve been using: it has a sour taste, and it is freely soluble in water. Every other product I’ve sampled is a hydrophobic powder which simply is not water soluble. NP’s product, however, does not meet the third criterion, namely that it is not crystalline. I estimate that NP’s phenibut is about 50% as potent as the ‘old phenibut,’ as three grams seem to have about the same effect as one and a half grams (1500 mg.) of “phenibut classic,” which was my standard dosage of the old stuff. This lends considerable support to my pet theory of optical isomers, since a racemate is a 50:50 mixture of both psychoactive and non-psychoactive phenibut. Also, before anybody suggests that my results are skewed by habituation, bear in mind that I have not used phenibut at all since June of this year. Bottom line—this appears to be genuine phenibut, albeit a “Lite” product. But it does work.
10-07-2009, 05:35 PM
Thanks for the feedback!
10-07-2009, 07:45 PM
For what its worth, I've tried the new NP phenibut and was not impressed. I ordered from another vendor, and it seemed like the same stuff NP had.
Now I tried NP phenibut a year ago and loved it. The new stuff does NOT resemble the old stuff in odor, appearance, taste, or effects. I actually returned the stuff I got from the other vendor for a replacement...and it was the same. It was a powder rather than the normal typical granules.
I think that there is a serious QC problem with the bulk phenibut powder, and its not limited to nutraplanet.
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10-08-2009, 12:50 AM
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