Any chance of stocking Diindolylmethane (DIM)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    Anyone considering I3C over DIM should read the following link then make your own mind up how you want to proceed further

    DIM/I3C Safety Information
    ...I already posted a quote from Dinoiii explaining why I3C > DIM. Assuming you know who he is, I think that should be enough.

    Edit: To each their own though

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveGabe24 View Post
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    Edit: To each their own though
    Yep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Yep!
    What's your thoughts on I3C vs DIM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveGabe24 View Post
    What's your thoughts on I3C vs DIM?
    I actually prefer both of them in one formula, or stacked. Together, they provide a more complete set of benefits than either alone, in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    I actually prefer both of them in one formula, or stacked. Together, they provide a more complete set of benefits than either alone, in my opinion.
    so the link to the safety information on I3C hasnt put you off then

    just how do both compounds together give a more complete set of benefits, please explain
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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    so the link to the safety information on I3C hasnt put you off then

    just how do both compounds together give a more complete set of benefits, please explain
    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove
    I do not understand the message here! DIM is one of the metabolites of I3C, so it should not be surprising that once ingested, I3C would be degraded into its metabolites, including DIM. Consequently, high concentrations of DIM, and other I3C metabolites, but not I3C itself, should be detectable!
    I3C is a more balanced compound. While DIM is its most active metabolite, the other metabolites also have unique biological functions. This is why I prefer to take both I3C and DIM to obtain the full spectrum of benefits.
    See also Dinoii's post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corsaking View Post
    so the link to the safety information on I3C hasnt put you off then...

    just how do both compounds together give a more complete set of benefits, please explain
    There are so many safety warnings circulating around that, if one were to take them all at face value, once would not touch any supplements. Probably a bit exaggerated, but I can show you so-called studies that claim more than 2gr of vitamin C daily is hazardous. Dr. Linus Pauling, double Nobel-Laureate, did more than 10gr daily for decades and lived well past 90 years.

    Anyway, as we all know, apart from helping neutralize harmful estrogen metabolites by triggering so-called Phase I and Phase II detoxifying enzymes, indole-3-carbinol (I3C) also favourably improves the ratio of "good" estrogens to "bad". In particular, it raises the levels of the beneficial 2-hydroxyestrone compared to that of the harmful 16-hydroxyestrone. On its part, Di-indolyl-methane (DIM), the I3C metabolite, specifically addresses the potentially harmful estrogen metabolite called 4-hydroxyestrone. Both I3C and DIM may induce deceased-cell apoptosis and trigger DNA repair. This is why I prefer to take them both to get balanced, rather than lopsided, support.
    In the end, though, it all boils down to: "to each his own"!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    See also Dinoii's post.
    What exactly should I see there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    What exactly should I see there?
    Oh not you, I meant the other guy. It seemed like he hadn't read the previous posts in the thread.



    Off topic, but I see you are now the USPLabs Product Educator. Trusting your knowledge, it would be awesome if you could help us all figure out Prime, what exactly is in it and how it works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJC View Post
    Oh not you, I meant the other guy. It seemed like he hadn't read the previous posts in the thread.



    Off topic, but I see you are now the USPLabs Product Educator. Trusting your knowledge, it would be awesome if you could help us all figure out Prime, what exactly is in it and how it works.
    I'm sure Ike's got the brain gears in motion. By watching the feedback from testers, we may be able to get a better understanding of how it works. For example, I've noticed quite a few people mentioning an Alpha-Male feeling (Even my person friend), despite the bloodwork done by USP on their 12 athletes that showed no increase in T levels. I think it might affect certain people differently, depending on their physical state/training experience.
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    Best time to take dim -before bed or with evening meal or any other meal?
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