[Jayhawkk]

Not a hell of a lot more if the govt is paying for it...

[J. Peterman]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Not a hell of a lot more if the govt is paying for it...

Which means you are....

[goslamacamel]

Originally Posted by Jerry

Which means you are....

Paying for neglected children to grow up and become gang members so they can rob my house in 10 years? Count me in!

[Fastone]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

At the same time, excusing people based on where they are born rather than based on their actions is a joke, and part of the culture of failure that continues to plague the black community which didn't plague the irish, the italians, the chinese or any of the groups of immigrants including the hispanics.

I grew up with a father who didn't know his father. his father abandoned his mom and family of 5 boys and 1 girl about 6 months after the youngest was born. My dad grew up illiterate as he had to do odd jobs to make enough money to feed the family from the age of 7, along with the 2 of his brothers who were older. Washing dishes, delivering newspapers, delivering groceries, washing cars, whatever he could make a dime, or even get something in barter for.



I grew up in a less than wonderful neighborhood, eating free school lunches as even in the 80s you couldn't exactly make a pile of money if you couldn't read. Did either my father or I use that as an excuse to not be responsible for ourselves? nope.

And there is the real problem, the huge volume of young black men aren't in jail because of prejudice, they end up there because they chose to commit a crime because they believed there was nothing else they could do because even their community leaders tell them they will fail. refusing to take responsibility for yourself and commiting crimes because "they white man is holding you down" is ridiculous

There is a lot of truth to what you say however, of all of the ethnic groups you mention, none were brought here against their will, each of those groups had each other for support. The black community was brought here and their families ravaged and torn apart, the effects of which are still felt today. There was a time when a black person would be turned down for those odd jobs your father did just because of skin color. There is no doubt that the Italians and Irish were treated horribly when they came to America but eventually they were able to assimilate into society because they were white and eventually found a niche. btw, If you truly look into history, you will also find that there was a lot of crime in other ethnic groups which in some ways led to upward mobility of those groups. Not an excuse, just the truth.

[BLACK747]

amen brother

[EasyEJL]

Originally Posted by Fastone

There is a lot of truth to what you say however, of all of the ethnic groups you mention, none were brought here against their will, each of those groups had each other for support. The black community was brought here and their families ravaged and torn apart, the effects of which are still felt today. There was a time when a black person would be turned down for those odd jobs your father did just because of skin color. There is no doubt that the Italians and Irish were treated horribly when they came to America but eventually they were able to assimilate into society because they were white and eventually found a niche. btw, If you truly look into history, you will also find that there was a lot of crime in other ethnic groups which in some ways led to upward mobility of those groups. Not an excuse, just the truth.

But how long will slavery get used an excuse? the last slave ship was landed here almost 200 years ago. The black communities have each other for support now, but somehow won't work together to end the crime in their communities and make the fathers take care of their children. Its easier to still go "its not my fault, whitey is against us". When does self responsibility start? Anyone living in the ghetto or projects or whatever can get a decent set of clothes from salvation army or a church closet, get a GED if they didn't finish college, and find themselves a job that maybe to begin with isn't glamorous and doesn't pay tons, but that they can move up in. They can go to the library to learn more, or take advantage of programs with community colleges.

But its easier to say the white man is holding them down and instead sit on a set of stairs drinkin a 40, and break into cars when they need some money for new $150 sneakers. And people like reverend wright who they look to as leaders perpetuate that.

[Fastone]

Originally Posted by EasyEJL

But how long will slavery get used an excuse? the last slave ship was landed here almost 200 years ago. The black communities have each other for support now, but somehow won't work together to end the crime in their communities and make the fathers take care of their children. Its easier to still go "its not my fault, whitey is against us". When does self responsibility start? Anyone living in the ghetto or projects or whatever can get a decent set of clothes from salvation army or a church closet, get a GED if they didn't finish college, and find themselves a job that maybe to begin with isn't glamorous and doesn't pay tons, but that they can move up in. They can go to the library to learn more, or take advantage of programs with community colleges.

But its easier to say the white man is holding them down and instead sit on a set of stairs drinkin a 40, and break into cars when they need some money for new $150 sneakers. And people like reverend wright who they look to as leaders perpetuate that.

First of all, I wasn't using slavery as an excuse but has any other ethnic group suffered through that and the systemic racism that followed. Also who says that Reverend Wright speaks for the black community, he doesn't speak for me. Heck, there have been white clergy that preached open hatred and racism. It's wrong on either side but, we live in a country where you have the right to speak your mind. I love the way you guys like to talk about black fathers not taking care of their children. Not to say that it doesn't happen but I can can tell you from working in the mental health profession that there are a lot of white guys out there living WITH their children and giving them no more support in their upbringing than the so called deadbeat black fathers because they stay drunk or shoot meth and since you wish to throw around stereotypes, the instances of incest and abuse are far more prevalent in the white community than the black community. There are also more whites on assistance than blacks. Now part of that has to do with the fact that there are simply more white people but my point is to not paint the race with a broad brush based on your limited exposure.

[EasyEJL]

What sort of changes undermined by the white establishment? Name 1 in the last 20 years.

[Dadof2]

[quote=Fastone;1286910]There is a lot of truth to what you say however, of all of the ethnic groups you mention, none were brought here against their will, each of those groups had each other for support. The black community was brought here and their families ravaged and torn apart, the effects of which are still felt today. There was a time when a black person would be turned down for those odd jobs your father did just because of skin color. There is no doubt that the Italians and Irish were treated horribly when they came to America but eventually they were able to assimilate into society because they were white and eventually found a niche. btw, If you truly look into history, you will also find that there was a lot of crime in other ethnic groups which in some ways led to upward mobility of those groups. Not an excuse, just the truth.

But now it is not slavers tearing families apart, now it is government policy and looking the other way by the black community.

Did you know that before the welfare policies adopted by LBJ a black child had a 70% chance of being born into a family with both a mom and a dad? Now it is the complete opposite!

Having two working parents is an awesome way to stave off poverty, and have a better chance in life. Yet, this is a very unpopular message in the black community, why?

Because the Democratic party gets automatic votes from the black community for government handouts, the democrats are literally keeping people down for personal gain! If there were more black nuclear families there would be fewer people needing SSI and food stamps, and more resistance to the redistribution of wealth. Many civil rights era "black leaders" would also find themselves out of work.

And that is why a man like Bill Cosby gets demonized by such people for saying the exact same things that I am saying! Bill Cosby isn't trying to act white, the man loves his people, and that is the reason he is saying such things. Because the family is the only thing that can save the black community....not the government and its handouts....and not race pimps!

So accuse me of being racist for noticing such things, but excuse the people who are really behind the oppression of an entire race of people.

[goslamacamel]

I say we Anglo and Saxon whites march over to Italy and demand reparations for the cruelties of the Romans. We (personally, mind you ) were enslaved and forced to die in many wars because of the Roman Empire. Don't trust Italians!

[bkprice]

It has nothing to do with being white, it has to do with working. Asians come here and in a very short time do more then most black because they work and have family support, its not a complicated problem, its just people not wanting to do what it takes, period.

Also, I dont care if you dont make it, I wont lose sleep or feel guilt if you keep doing stupid things and cant feed your ass.

[J. Peterman]

I don't think its whitey that replaced "husband" with "my babies daddy".

[EasyEJL]

I don't think I recall hearing "he's so crazy I wanna have his baby" outside of the ghetto

[Gtarzan81]

Originally Posted by Dadof2

But now it is not slavers tearing families apart, now it is government policy and looking the other way by the black community.

Did you know that before the welfare policies adopted by LBJ a black child had a 70% chance of being born into a family with both a mom and a dad? Now it is the complete opposite!

Having two working parents is an awesome way to stave off poverty, and have a better chance in life. Yet, this is a very unpopular message in the black community, why?

Because the Democratic party gets automatic votes from the black community for government handouts, the democrats are literally keeping people down for personal gain! If there were more black nuclear families there would be fewer people needing SSI and food stamps, and more resistance to the redistribution of wealth. Many civil rights era "black leaders" would also find themselves out of work.

And that is why a man like Bill Cosby gets demonized by such people for saying the exact same things that I am saying! Bill Cosby isn't trying to act white, the man loves his people, and that is the reason he is saying such things. Because the family is the only thing that can save the black community....not the government and its handouts....and not race pimps!

So accuse me of being racist for noticing such things, but excuse the people who are really behind the oppression of an entire race of people.

True indeed. Reps

[Gtarzan81]

Originally Posted by goslamacamel

I say we Anglo and Saxon whites march over to Italy and demand reparations for the cruelties of the Romans. We (personally, mind you ) were enslaved and forced to die in many wars because of the Roman Empire. Don't trust Italians!

I'm, Greek, so I really got some reparations coming. They jacked our