2008 Election

Reaper329 · 01-31-2008, 06:04 AM

With the election down to basically a 4 person race (Sorry to Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee supporters, they are basically done), where do you throw your support.

I must admit that I am disheartened at this point with all 4, but the person I disagree with the least is Barack Obama, so to answer my own question, he is where my vote goes in November if he is there.

Australian made · 01-31-2008, 06:29 AM

i got money on the demo's so as long as one of them gets in i don't care.

zbtboy · 01-31-2008, 08:55 AM

I will be voting for Obama next week here in the NY State primary.

bLacKjAck. · 01-31-2008, 10:01 AM

I am a Ron Paul supporter BIG time, but like you said --- there really is no chance. None of the other republicans are anything I am excited about, but I believe John McCain will be most well-able to work "across the aisle" and to me if something is going to change in this country that is what has to happen.

Reaper329 · 01-31-2008, 10:56 AM

Blackjack, just curious if his stance on Iraq (major expansion of the war) scares you at all?

**VolcomX311** · 01-31-2008, 04:50 PM

I know I like Billary the least

Reaper329 · 02-01-2008, 07:03 AM

any reason why?

Nabisco · 02-01-2008, 10:46 AM

I said it before this race began, that if McCain got the nod, I'd vote for him with no hesitation. I don't necessarily agree with all his stances (who really agrees with all of any politician's stances?) but I do believe strongly that he speaks his mind and will undoubtedly be a good leader for America.

Reaper329 · 02-01-2008, 10:57 AM

with McCain for me his stance on the war and immigration are a tad off IMO

**VolcomX311** · 02-01-2008, 11:07 AM

McCain had one of his previous quotes brought up to question, "i hate all g**ks and I always will" but I suppose I could understand his rage being tortured as a POW.

The only significant difference in policies between Billary and Obama was their policy on immigration and being from Southern California, that's a main issue. Obama made his refute that illegal immigrants don't effect social economics based on his experience in the south side of Chicago. Chicago is not the same as Southern California and the borders of Texas. That didn't appeal to me well.

Reaper329 · 02-01-2008, 11:25 AM

McCain also had another quote brought up at the debate that was frightening: "We could very well be in Iraq for another 100 years"

**VolcomX311** · 02-01-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper329

McCain also had another quote brought up at the debate that was frightening: "We could very well be in Iraq for another 100 years"

hahaha

I'm not anti-Iraq war in all honesty. To be completely truthful, I've not taken the time to really do some self conviction in conjunction with international, short & long term concerns & consequence to really have a passionate stance on one side or the other. My surface reaction is more for it then against it, but I couldn't defend my stance with any convincing arguments from an internal belief or profound, informed reasoning. With that said, nothing about me can justify "another 100 years" even if that were a figure of speech, that mentality seems a bit crazy.

If it can't be fixed in the next 10 years, f** we tried, it's time to go.

I know we mean well, and I believe in "meaning well" to an extent, world peace & what not and abolishing enemies that threaten the U.S. I'm heavily for the latter (and I know we can get into why they're justified to hate us, bad international policies & what not, but my selfish side says if its I live or they live, I pick I live, and i'll leave it at that) But I just don't see Democracy band aiding tribal feuds that date back to the Book of Judges, no matter how bad we want it. I could be ignorant, but that's how I reason with my limited understanding of a very large picture.

CryingEmo · 02-01-2008, 11:51 AM

Shoudn't start a war if you can't afford it... like body armor, etc.

Reaper329 · 02-01-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by VolcomX311

hahaha

I'm not anti-Iraq war in all honesty. To be completely truthful, I've not taken the time to really do some self conviction in conjunction with international, short & long term concerns & consequence to really have a passionate stance on one side or the other. My surface reaction is more for it then against it, but I couldn't defend my stance with any convincing arguments from an internal belief or profound, informed reasoning. With that said, nothing about me can justify "another 100 years" even if that were a figure of speech, that mentality seems a bit crazy.

If it can't be fixed in the next 10 years, f** we tried, it's time to go.

I know we mean well, and I believe in "meaning well" to an extent, world peace & what not and abolishing enemies that threaten the U.S. I'm heavily for the latter (and I know we can get into why they're justified to hate us, bad international policies & what not, but my selfish side says if its I live or they live, I pick I live, and i'll leave it at that) But I just don't see Democracy band aiding tribal feuds that date back to the Book of Judges, no matter how bad we want it. I could be ignorant, but that's how I reason with my limited understanding of a very large picture.

the funniest thing at the debate was when this was broached, Ron Paul looked at him dead in the face and said "care to tell me where we are going to get the money for that?" .....Priceless