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Old 02-14-2008, 12:07 AM   #121
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Obama will be the next president of the U.S. Obama will have more delegates than Hillary come the convention. If he doesn't get jipped, he wins.

Dem turn out compared to Rep turn out (in EVERY state) is incredible. McCain is really nothing at all to get excited about, and its showing.
 



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Old 02-14-2008, 05:56 AM   #122
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agreed, the fact that people are still voting for huckabee shows that the repubs are not excited ab out mccain
 
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No on Hillary and Obama. These items may not apply to both, but, at the least, I see them they are soft on the issue.
1) I’m against abortion, particularly partial birth abortion.
2) Socialized medicine.
3) My wife, the liberal, says Obama supports giving out condoms, I guess needles are next.
4) Pretending that a marriage can between 2 people of the like gender.
5) I don’t feel comfortable with Obama being in national politics for only 4 yrs, talk is cheap, and I’d rather see a voting record.

Partial birth abortion is a deal breaker for me, if you can rationalize it, then you can rationalize anything.

Socialized medicine – Wrong because 1) the government will screw it all up, 2) I don’t want the government making more decisions on health than they do now, the insurance companies are bad enough. Actually, at least with the insurance companies you have more choices.

The federal government takes in way more money than it can handle. Socialized medicine will only make it worse. Our founding fathers were real smart; they built a system that assumed you couldn’t trust people in power. But every new “benefit” we entrust to the government gives it more power (IOW, money is power) and I think the Federal government has way-over stepped it’s boundaries as defined by the constitution.

Generally, speaking I don’t like what goes on with the dems. There are just way too many left-wing loons over there. The republicans have their’s but they don’t seem as bad.

As far as my opinion of the republican candidates, the republican race has only recently narrowed enough for me to start looking at McCain and Huckabee, the primarys only got to my state this week.

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Obama will be the next president of the U.S. Obama will have more delegates than Hillary come the convention. If he doesn't get jipped, he wins.

Dem turn out compared to Rep turn out (in EVERY state) is incredible. McCain is really nothing at all to get excited about, and its showing.

Its actually independent and moderate turnout, but I agree..Obama is going to win.

I like the way he speaks (and so does the rest of America is seems), but you better hold on to your wallets with a liberal as President and Democratic Congress. Get ready for more government, more spending and more exploitation of government programs.
 



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agreed, the fact that people are still voting for huckabee shows that the repubs are not excited ab out mccain

That is like saying Democrats aren't excited about Obama because people still vote for Hillary.
 



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Obama will be the next president of the U.S. Obama will have more delegates than Hillary come the convention. If he doesn't get jipped, he wins.

Dem turn out compared to Rep turn out (in EVERY state) is incredible. McCain is really nothing at all to get excited about, and its showing.
i agree with this, and i am registered republican. the problem i have with obama is i cannot, will not vote for a man for president that is not willing to wear his patriotism on his sleave. he is unwilling to stand a speak the Pledge of Allegance (spelling?)? And he wants to run this country? hell no. i cannot imagine any single military member, like myself, voting for him. i cannot take orders and/or follow a leader i cannot trust. I didn't vote for mccain either.
 



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That is like saying Democrats aren't excited about Obama because people still vote for Hillary.
I disagree, Mccain had this sewn up for a while, while Obama is still only just pulling ahead
 
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i agree with this, and i am registered republican. the problem i have with obama is i cannot, will not vote for a man for president that is not willing to wear his patriotism on his sleave. he is unwilling to stand a speak the Pledge of Allegance (spelling?)? And he wants to run this country? hell no. i cannot imagine any single military member, like myself, voting for him. i cannot take orders and/or follow a leader i cannot trust. I didn't vote for mccain either.
I have not heard that, do you have a source for that
 
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I disagree, Mccain had this sewn up for a while, while Obama is still only just pulling ahead
McCain didn't take the lead until Super Tuesday....Feb. 5th....9 days ago.
 



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I have not heard that, do you have a source for that
i know i'm not to post outside sites, but....

 



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Its actually independent and moderate turnout, but I agree..Obama is going to win.

I like the way he speaks (and so does the rest of America is seems), but you better hold on to your wallets with a liberal as President and Democratic Congress. Get ready for more government, more spending and more exploitation of government programs.
I thought independents can't vote in the primaries...
 



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i agree with this, and i am registered republican. the problem i have with obama is i cannot, will not vote for a man for president that is not willing to wear his patriotism on his sleave. he is unwilling to stand a speak the Pledge of Allegance (spelling?)? And he wants to run this country? hell no. i cannot imagine any single military member, like myself, voting for him. i cannot take orders and/or follow a leader i cannot trust. I didn't vote for mccain either.
Patriotism isn't the flag, or a song. It's doing what you feel is in your country's best interest.

The current administration has done a good job with word association. Case in point: support the war AND our troops. So, what exactly does that mean? If you don't agree with the war, then you don't support the troops? Are those two things really connected together like that? And how exactly are you not supporting the troops anyway? Take for example someone who is against the war because they don't want them to die over there. Does that mean they don't support them?
 



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Patriotism isn't the flag, or a song. It's doing what you feel is in your country's best interest.

The current administration has done a good job with word association. Case in point: support the war AND our troops. So, what exactly does that mean? If you don't agree with the war, then you don't support the troops? Are those two things really connected together like that? And how exactly are you not supporting the troops anyway? Take for example someone who is against the war because they don't want them to die over there. Does that mean they don't support them?
i completely disagree. Patriotism is being pround of being an American. Patriotism is the red, white and blue. Patriotism is the flag. Is that why every time the flag touches the ground it must be destroyed? Is that why every time that a flag passes a uniformed soldier/airmen/marine (i.e. a parade, burial service) that they MUST salute? Is that why it is LAW that if the flag is flown at night, it MUST be lit by a direct light source? You don't understand what the flag means and represents the Armed Forces of the United States. Men & women die for that flag, and Obama has the odasity to not put his hand over his heart and pledge? Not my president. Is his religious belief the same reason he will not wear an American Flag lapel on his collar?

You can be against the war and still support the troops. Those two do not have to be married to each other. For example, sending a gift package to a soldier over their in the sandbox is supporting the soldier, not the war.
 



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I thought independents can't vote in the primaries...

In some states (mostly caucus's) they can't...most can. In fact there was an article about Republican turnout voting for Hillary because they would rather see her than Obama. TO contrast that, many independents and moderates who voted Republican are now going for Obama.

Democrats and Republicans rarely win an election..its who gets the independent and moderate votes. In 2004, Bush got it. This time, Obama will....although McCain should hold some while not gaining as much conservative vote.
 



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