[Reaper329]

Originally Posted by slow-mun

I think you are confusing WW1 with WW2. The vast majority of the United States was very pro-war, especially after Pearl Harbor.

keep in mind the war in euopre had been on for a while and FDR had no chance of approval in the US till Pearl Harbor. Kinda interesting that whole event, but dont want to hijack my own thread with that.

[pistonpump]

unsubbed. not another thread on politics with good ol boy cnorris.

[strategicmove]

Originally Posted by Reaper329;

I think your synopsis of Obama is short sighted and palin wrong. However, in contrast to your statements, we need someone who will escalate the conflict, and possibly futher enrage an area that is already at a boiling point, and all the while push for conflict in Iran and possibly elsewhere, which will then in turn kill more of an already lost generation? Sorry cant see how the war monger is the best choice....

And reps.

[slow-mun]

Originally Posted by Reaper329

keep in mind the war in euopre had been on for a while and FDR had no chance of approval in the US till Pearl Harbor. Kinda interesting that whole event, but dont want to hijack my own thread with that.

I was a history major, so while I can accept this current synopsis, the previous one was incorrect. What you said before was like saying that most Americans were against the war in Iraq before it started. You're bending historical facts to prove your points and that's not at all right.

[J. Peterman]

Originally Posted by slow-mun

I think you are confusing WW1 with WW2. The vast majority of the United States was very pro-war, especially after Pearl Harbor.

Before WW2 (and Pearl Harbor) the majority of Americans favored an isolationist viewpoint. They were NOT in favor of entering WW2 due to economic hardship. He even acknowledge this in his "Arsenal of Democracy" speech in 1940 which he basically admitted that our goal was to supply Europe (which would ease economic pressure), not intervene. Churchill basically begged Roosevelt for a year to intervene and he did not until Pearl Harbor (which shifted public sentiment).

There are several books covering the switch from isolationism to interventionism.


So in other words, if Pearl Harbor never happened, Americans would probably be speaking German.

[MuscleGuyinNY]

Romney, Huckabee, and the rest of the Republicans, besides McCain, don't have a chance in hell. McCain will be able to put up quite a fight against the Democrats, but in the end, the Dems will be taking over the White House again. Clinton is losing a lot of support because of her big mouth and spiteful attitude. I didn't mind her much, up until I found out that she voted for the Iraq war, without knowing any details. She wants total control. She's very determined to get that. She just won't budge for anything or anybody. It's kinda scary. I think our country's been through enough since 2000. I do believe Obama is going to win the presidency and I will be voting for him, and may even be donating some money to his campaign. He has even won the support of several Repubs! Quite a few Repubs have their faith in him. He's young, healthy, extremely intelligent, has an optimistic outlook, has a very good agenda lined up, and seems like he's a guy who enjoys getting things done. McCain will put up a fight, though, but in the end, America will decide and hopefully the decision sticks this time, unlike the last election. I must admit that I do like Rudy Guiliani, but of course, he's no longer in the race and I wouldn't vote for him anyway. He seems to be the most liberal Repub, but he did help NYC through a lot, especially after 9/11.

Just so all of you know, especially you Repub supporters; though I may disagree with those who vote Repub (only because I'm very knowledgable in the field of politics), I believe in your right to voice your opinion. I may not agree with it, but if you hear me out, then it's only fair and respectful that I hear you out as well. I'm a registered Independent, but support more liberal views than I do conservative ones. Therefore, most people would associate me as possessing Dem ideologies, however, we all stand on both sides of the fence. We all have conversative views, as well as liberal views. For example: I'm pro-choice, which would be labeled as a liberal/Dem view, however, I'm also against tightening up gun control, only because of our right to bear arms granted to us by the US Constition, which would be labeled as a conservative/Repub view.

[Reaper329]

Originally Posted by slow-mun

I was a history major, so while I can accept this current synopsis, the previous one was incorrect. What you said before was like saying that most Americans were against the war in Iraq before it started. You're bending historical facts to prove your points and that's not at all right.

Actually I am a history teacher so lets look at the facts. Polls prior to pearl harbor gave an approval under 20% for entrance into another european war. Keep in mind the country was struggling economically as the new deal was not the "big deal" it was thought to be and the US had just fought a few decades earlier in WWI. The only way FDR could get approval from the public and congress for the war was an attack on American soil. Look logically

[Reaper329]

Originally Posted by MuscleGuyinNY

I'm also against tightening up gun control, only because of our right to bear arms granted to us by the US Constition, which would be labeled as a conservative/Repub view.

I am not trying ot hijack or change topics, but wanted to address this. The 2nd ammend. is not so cut and dry

[slow-mun]

Originally Posted by Jerry

Before WW2 (and Pearl Harbor) the majority of Americans favored an isolationist viewpoint. They were NOT in favor of entering WW2 due to economic hardship. He even acknowledge this in his "Arsenal of Democracy" speech in 1940 which he basically admitted that our goal was to supply Europe (which would ease economic pressure), not intervene. Churchill basically begged Roosevelt for a year to intervene and he did not until Pearl Harbor (which shifted public sentiment).

There are several books covering the switch from isolationism to interventionism.


So in other words, if Pearl Harbor never happened, Americans would probably be speaking German.

I'm not disputing this in any way. My point was in reference to after the Pearl Harbor attack.

[slow-mun]

Originally Posted by Reaper329

Actually I am a history teacher so lets look at the facts. Polls prior to pearl harbor gave an approval under 20% for entrance into another european war. Keep in mind the country was struggling economically as the new deal was not the "big deal" it was thought to be and the US had just fought a few decades earlier in WWI. The only way FDR could get approval from the public and congress for the war was an attack on American soil. Look logically

I am. Entrance into the second world war actually lifted our economy fully out of the Great Depression. You're right that their wasn't universal support for the war prior to Pearl Harbor, but that quickly changed in one day. That's something that cannot be disputed.

[slow-mun]

Back on topic-

If I were to vote for a democrat, then it would be Obama.

-lesser of two evils.

If I were to vote for a republican, then it would be McCain.

-I firmly in heart believe that a man who has actually served in our nation's military has its best interest in mind. I hear alot of talk about people concerning the war, but almost none of it has come from anyone who has actually been there.

[Reaper329]

Originally Posted by slow-mun

I am. Entrance into the second world war actually lifted our economy fully out of the Great Depression. You're right that their wasn't universal support for the war prior to Pearl Harbor, but that quickly changed in one day. That's something that cannot be disputed.

so how does this relate to your earlier statement that I was responding to?

[slow-mun]

Originally Posted by Reaper329

so how does this relate to your earlier statement that I was responding to?

I think I confused your posts with firecross's. Anyhow, it just adds to it. I should have elaborated more initially.