[CDB]

Not all of society does so, nor do all judges allow such attacks in their courts, nor do all doctors make judgements by such criteria.

Originally Posted by Tiberius

No one said the world is a nice place.

Truth is, courts and juries make just that very same distinction every day in cases. Common tactic for defense attorney in a murder trial is to attack the victim. Make them sound like the worst scum possible. While the law may not make a distinction, society does. Mind you, society typically looks at the worth of a person by the innocence, not by personal connection.

But doctors look at connection to society as a whole when determining how much percentage of available resources should be used to help a person survive. As a profession, doctors are typically encouraged to be emotionless in their duty, and to analyze situations using logic. Yes, not every doctor manages this, but many do. As such, if you can save a baby or an adult, the baby is saved. IIRC, there is a cutoff age, where the life gains additional "weight" because they are likely to have forged more societal connections.


You can call it cold if you want, it is what it is.

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by CDB

Not all of society does so, nor do all judges allow such attacks in their courts, nor do all doctors make judgements by such criteria.

Not all, but there are a considerable number of instances where people don't have the luxury to avoid such decisions.

[Xodus]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

And to those people who think Dogs are stupid because they simply lack the physical equipment necessary to produce a voice, you probably shouldn't own an animal. Gimpy has a dog that can literally count (e.g. if you hid three of its toys it will wait for you to give it all three before leaving; works every time, thought it was a fluke at first but the damn dog can count) and I've seen parrots that can have conversations and even make requests from their care-takers (look up alex the african grey).

Alex the African Grey, dead at 31


http://scienceblogs.com/grrlscientis..._colleague.php






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[T-AD]

IMO, the author of the article is a moron. Again, it's an apples and oranges case. I take no stance on abortion whatsoever - I have no religious convictions, yet I believe in population control.

But for dog fighting, I'm against it. I'm not opposed to dogs fighting amongst themselves - they do that naturally. But for organized dog fights, the idea just sickens me. For anyone to train their dog for that sort of behavior is a complete lack of respect for all life (no, not equating a fetus to a dog). Any animal lover, or anyone with sympathy at all, would agree that people are culprit in all of this. Vick deserves what they give him, unless it's light.

The reputation that pits have is a horrible truth, as with any of these so-called dangerous breeds. As proud pappa to a 9-month old male Great Dane, I see the look in people's eyes when they see a big or threatening dog. Danes merely have size, but pits have the "reputation". I trust the dogs, not the owners.

Last night, my neighbor kid knocked on my front door and stuttered to me that there was a pit loose behind my house. Knowing that there were kids outside, I went out with an oak stick and my .357 snub. I had no intent on harming the animal, but to protect the kids in case it was trained poorly as so many are in my area. Yes, my own prejudice came out - but not for the animal, but for the humans who raised him.

[Xodus]

Originally Posted by timdull2

IMO, the author of the article is a moron. Again, it's an apples and oranges case. I take no stance on abortion whatsoever - I have no religious convictions, yet I believe in population control.

But for dog fighting, I'm against it. I'm not opposed to dogs fighting amongst themselves - they do that naturally. But for organized dog fights, the idea just sickens me. For anyone to train their dog for that sort of behavior is a complete lack of respect for all life (no, not equating a fetus to a dog). Any animal lover, or anyone with sympathy at all, would agree that people are culprit in all of this. Vick deserves what they give him, unless it's light.

The reputation that pits have is a horrible truth, as with any of these so-called dangerous breeds. As proud pappa to a 9-month old male Great Dane, I see the look in people's eyes when they see a big or threatening dog. Danes merely have size, but pits have the "reputation". I trust the dogs, not the owners.

Last night, my neighbor kid knocked on my front door and stuttered to me that there was a pit loose behind my house. Knowing that there were kids outside, I went out with an oak stick and my .357 snub. I had no intent on harming the animal, but to protect the kids in case it was trained poorly as so many are in my area. Yes, my own prejudice came out - but not for the animal, but for the humans who raised him.

As an owner of a 'restricted breed' I get to deal with misconceptions and prejudices all the time.


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[PumpYouUp]

I think the point is that most people should have to take a pill to get pregnant..... Population control! Eliminate Abortions and improve the genetics of our world you have to be Government approved to have kids!!


yes this is joke but maybe one day it will be reality.....

[CDB]

Originally Posted by PumpYouUp

I think the point is that most people should have to take a pill to get pregnant..... Population control! Eliminate Abortions and improve the genetics of our world you have to be Government approved to have kids!!

yes this is joke but maybe one day it will be reality.....

It'll be voluntary. Afterall, who wouldn't want their kid to be the best football player, or the best gymnast, or lawyer, or whatever? Once it becomes possible to order genetic advantages people will be doing so without government nudging.

Reminds me of one of my favorite movies, Gattaca. No particular part of the movie - acting, directing, story, etc. - is by itself impressive. But overall it works very well and kind of succeeds because of the powerful ideas underpinning it.

[Irish Cannon]

I love how most universities and colleges and even down in the high school level, schools try to teach that there are no moral absolutes. What should be expected from such a country?

I find dog fighting to be pretty terrible. I think the Chinese had it right with the insects; everyone should have left it at that.

As for abortion (partial birth), I'm against it 100%; morning after pill I'm still on the fence about. I've talked to a number of women on this subject. The ones that have had abortions regret it completely, and are never the same after them; the ones I asked, "Why not just put the child up for adoption?" usually reply with something about not wanting to change their body, i.e. gain weight, stretch marks, etc. Sounds rather selfish to me.

I think the OP was just trying to put into perspective what this nation tends to care more about, not necessarily compare the two.

[PumpYouUp]

Originally Posted by CDB

Reminds me of one of my favorite movies, Gattaca. No particular part of the movie - acting, directing, story, etc. - is by itself impressive. But overall it works very well and kind of succeeds because of the powerful ideas underpinning it.

Yes that is a badass movie!