Hugo Chavez officially a dictator now.
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Tiberius
Member
I feel bad for the Venezuelans. Oh well. I'm over it.
Truth is, Chavez has totally screwed his country's economic future. No business will ever trust him enough to invest any kind of money into anything Venezuelan anymore. Every time he nationalized an industry, he STOLE private resources. Flat out STOLE THEM.
The only thing keeping Venezuela alive is oil.
Truth is, Chavez has totally screwed his country's economic future. No business will ever trust him enough to invest any kind of money into anything Venezuelan anymore. Every time he nationalized an industry, he STOLE private resources. Flat out STOLE THEM.
The only thing keeping Venezuela alive is oil.
CROWLER
Anabolic Innovations Owner
Danny Glover loves Chavez and said the previous elections were fair and legit, wonder what he thinks now.
Tiberius you said it EXACTLY correctly.
Chavez has also said if you own land and you are not using it then the poor people can go on it and build houses.
CROWLER
Tiberius you said it EXACTLY correctly.
Chavez has also said if you own land and you are not using it then the poor people can go on it and build houses.
CROWLER
EasyEJL
Never enough
Ah Crowler, now I love HealthyCheatFoods even more. Whats even more scary about chavez is to talk to people from other hispanic countries, whether central/south america, or the islands like puerto rico. They are all seriously concerned that his next step is going to be "consolidating" south america to "help serve the poor people" under one rule.
CROWLER
Anabolic Innovations Owner
lol Easy 
Be assured Chavez is MUCH worse than Castro. Castro was anti Capitalist but didn't push the anti US agenda like Chavez does.
Chavez has tons of money, supplies all the heating oil for the entire eastern sea board of the US. He COULD be real danger to the US. He also has invited identified terorists to Margarita, an island off the coast of Venezuela.
We have been begging and pleading with the Venezuelan residents to do something before it was too late, well IMO without an assassination is already IS too late.
How about that women who camped outside of Bush's place in TX, she is a BIG friend of Chavez, I think we ALL now know she is out there.
CROWLER
Be assured Chavez is MUCH worse than Castro. Castro was anti Capitalist but didn't push the anti US agenda like Chavez does.
Chavez has tons of money, supplies all the heating oil for the entire eastern sea board of the US. He COULD be real danger to the US. He also has invited identified terorists to Margarita, an island off the coast of Venezuela.
We have been begging and pleading with the Venezuelan residents to do something before it was too late, well IMO without an assassination is already IS too late.
How about that women who camped outside of Bush's place in TX, she is a BIG friend of Chavez, I think we ALL now know she is out there.
CROWLER
bioman
Well-known member
It is kind of amazing these fools will sidle up to a known dictator who suppresses the media, steals foreign infrastructure et cetera just because he hates Bush.
Hell, I dislike Bush a lot, but I'm not about to go hug Hugo to prove it. lol
Hugo will probably have an accident of some sort. The School of the Americas is right next door, the big, super rich narco terrorists probably don't appreciate his federalization much and sooner than later, those Venezualans who actually like real freedom will get a little testy.
But, then again, socialism like Hugo's has been preached throughout central and south America for decades. You can hear it from the illegals streaming across our borders..many have expectations that they should be given free reign to work and do what they please here and if anyone disagrees it's because they hate "brown people". They might be poor, they might be uneducated, but they know the socialist agenda inside and out and will use the race card to push it.
Hell, I dislike Bush a lot, but I'm not about to go hug Hugo to prove it. lol
Hugo will probably have an accident of some sort. The School of the Americas is right next door, the big, super rich narco terrorists probably don't appreciate his federalization much and sooner than later, those Venezualans who actually like real freedom will get a little testy.
But, then again, socialism like Hugo's has been preached throughout central and south America for decades. You can hear it from the illegals streaming across our borders..many have expectations that they should be given free reign to work and do what they please here and if anyone disagrees it's because they hate "brown people". They might be poor, they might be uneducated, but they know the socialist agenda inside and out and will use the race card to push it.
zbtboy
Anabolic Innovations Rep
I'm actually not too concerned. All this bill is doing is removing term limits, not allowing Chavez to rule forever. The thing with latin america is that, unlike in the US, they actually do something when they're not happy. Right now the people there, especially those that are poor, like him a lot. Whether people want to admit it or not he's done some very good things to help the poor, hence his popularity. But we all know where this is headed....at least we think we do. His economic policies really depend on his ties with China, Russia, and Iran which seem to be quite strong at this time so don't expect too much from that. He'll do what every "dictator" has done and will eventually turn on the poor and thats when he'll start losing power; call in his military; the citizens will protest in the streets; they'll over throw his regime, and you'll get another radical socialist and the wheel will just keep spinning.
Tiberius
Member
Which is a tremendous travesty.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Well, at least here you are paid fair market value for it when that happens, unlike in venezuela when you just get the boot
zbtboy
Anabolic Innovations Rep
True. Though eminent domain was to be used in situations that truly warranted it, not when Wal-Mart wanted to build a new super store.
Jayhawkk
Legend
Unless they decided that the Wal-mart would boost the local economy enough to use ED. You may get fair market value but in a lot of cases, you'll still lose out in the end and that's even if you were up for selling it. Some people actually want to stay where they buy property.
It still amazes me on how many of the laws are written in such a way that a person can twist them to completely take them out of their original intent.
It still amazes me on how many of the laws are written in such a way that a person can twist them to completely take them out of their original intent.
zbtboy
Anabolic Innovations Rep
Isnt that what the law makers do? Loopholes can be found in everything but one would hope a sensible judge would be able to factor in the intent and make a proper judgement. Unfortunately, a lot of people just got screwed in the end.
EasyEJL
Never enough
My parents lost some property to ED, and the state was actually fair with them, even asked them up front what they thought it was worth, etc. Its true though, you shouldn't have to move, but if you have the money you can afford to move.
Unlike venezuela where you probably got 2 hours to pack your **** before you were shot, and got no money.
ED does suck tho, when its for a shopping mall or even a park. If the state decided my neighborhood needed more kids play areas, and since my lot is a corner and not directly on a conservation or lake it was a good choice, they could pull that. I'd make sure I got fair market value at least....
CROWLER
Anabolic Innovations Owner
What he did for the poor people is give them $200 a month extra so they feel like he is the best thing in the world which of course is not true.
In the past 9 years:
No road improvements
No new hospitals
No new housing for the poor
Public services are a disaster, little to no trash pickup when a crime is committed there is not even a suggestion that you call the police because they will not show up.
The number of murders have increased to 200 per WEEK
Even the poor are afraid to leave their houses at night because the crime rate has increase so dramatically.
ALL children are now citizens of the state meaning Chavez basically determines EVERYTHING for your child.
The police, military and congressional coruption has hit an all time high.
CROWLER
In the past 9 years:
No road improvements
No new hospitals
No new housing for the poor
Public services are a disaster, little to no trash pickup when a crime is committed there is not even a suggestion that you call the police because they will not show up.
The number of murders have increased to 200 per WEEK
Even the poor are afraid to leave their houses at night because the crime rate has increase so dramatically.
ALL children are now citizens of the state meaning Chavez basically determines EVERYTHING for your child.
The police, military and congressional coruption has hit an all time high.
CROWLER
zbtboy
Anabolic Innovations Rep
First, I wanted it known I'm not a Chavez fan at all and am just playing the debate game right now
Secondly, since Crowler is the boss, I'll play nice
-tens of thousands of poor people have been given title to land
-In the past few months, more than half a million illiterate Venezuelans have received basic reading and writing instruction.
-Hundreds of thousands of poor children have begun attending school for the first time in their lives.
-Doctors imported from Cuba as part of a petroleum deal are paying house calls to poor neighborhoods.
-the measures have had a ripple effect that has left many of the poor feeling that for the first time in their lives the government is actually interested in aiding them.
Interestingly, even with all this "good" stuff happening the country is still in shambles. A 8.9 economic growth, which was the slowest growth in some time. Unemployment is steady at 7%, and poor aren't really going anywhere.
With all that, I've still come across a lot of analysis (from those who know a hell of a lot more on this issue than i do) that points to the activism of the Venezuelans and that eventually he will need to deliver something at some point or risk getting kicked on the curb.
In the end, socialism just doesn't work. Much in the same way true libertarianism will never work... Power and greed corrupt all. Its sad to see South America go so far left in the past few years.
bioman
Well-known member
That's what happens in areas with very high birth rates..it breeds up a massive underclass that will never have anything unless they steal it or it is given to them by a wannabe socialist like Hugo. When the population growth outpaces resources, jobs et cetera..you'll have these situations and it's basically the same story all over S. America.
Give a few perks to the poor..and they'll raise you up to power as long as you keep delivering.
It's a vicious cycle that only ends when a country developes a strong economy that provides a means for making a living for the majority of people.
Give a few perks to the poor..and they'll raise you up to power as long as you keep delivering.
It's a vicious cycle that only ends when a country developes a strong economy that provides a means for making a living for the majority of people.