Jersey Cops Shoot Forest Gump ???

anabolicrhino · 06-08-2007, 06:25 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/06/ny...in&oref=slogin

A mentally disabled man failed to stop at a routine check point and took six bullets !!!

ShakesAllDay · 06-08-2007, 07:25 AM

Idiots. What if it was a diabetic who was delirious, or a person w/ any other ailment? I don't see how filling a car full of bullets was warranted in this situation. Of course, I wasn't there and am basing this opinion off the article.

I've watched quite a few episodes of cops. And even when the criminals attempt high speed getaways putting the lives of many people in danger, nobody opens fire on the car when it finally comes to a stop.

anabolicrhino · 06-08-2007, 07:40 AM

Yea, there is no way for the cops to know if the man was mentally challenged or not. but the "aiming the car" defense seems a bit flimsy. I mean is it even possible to aim a car? Do they mean the car was pointing in the direction of the cops? Does that warrant the use of deadly force ? After the shots were fired was the car not pointing in the direction of the cops? Why did they stop firing? Did they run out of bullets,..or were they no longer threatened by the car being aimed in their direction because they shot the driver six times? Lets keep in mind that the drivers car was in "reverse" at the time of the shooting!!!

trial by jury time

zbtboy · 06-08-2007, 10:05 AM

I love how people automatically jump down the cops throats when something like this happens. Call up your local police force and ask to do a ride along and see for yourself what its like out there before you start passing judgement.

ShakesAllDay · 06-08-2007, 10:20 AM

dangerous job != shoot anyone you want

Think about the cops? Think about Forest.

wastedwhiteboy2 · 06-08-2007, 01:12 PM

Yes you can aim a car. I do it everyday with my steering wheel. deadly force = deadly force. a 2 ton object coming your direction will kill you so you use deadly force to save your life. when the deadly force is no longer present you reduce your level of force. remember you have the right to save your or someone elses life. Reverse is your lowest and most powerful gear. I would have blown the SOB away as a civilian and I would expect the cops to do the same thing.

wastedwhiteboy2 · 06-08-2007, 01:15 PM

the whole disability thing does not work for me because I see many disabled people that commit crimes. they work jobs and get college degrees. it is a lot easier to be disabled than you might think. there is an agency here that tells their clients the tricks to getting on disability, like quit your job dont go to school, dont take your meds when seeing the disability dr...

jomi822 · 06-08-2007, 01:34 PM

dude this wasnt in ****ing compton....it was in CLIFTON new jersey. i am from new jersey, and clifton is not exactly a rough area. far from it.

this is a classic case of "we are the cops, and if you dont do exactly what we want when we tell you to do it we are going to hurt you"

zbtboy · 06-08-2007, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jomi822

dude this wasnt in ****ing compton....it was in CLIFTON new jersey. i am from new jersey, and clifton is not exactly a rough area. far from it.

this is a classic case of "we are the cops, and if you dont do exactly what we want when we tell you to do it we are going to hurt you"

you must not know a lot of cops. Yes cops make bad decisions but to think they opened fire on someone cause they didnt listen to a command is rediculous. The guy doesnt stop at a check point, then leads police on a chase, then drives in the direction of a police officer. Why is it wrong to suspect that this person is a danger to both the police and the public?

jomi822 · 06-08-2007, 02:24 PM

i know dozens of cops. i spent my childhood afternoons inside my mothers office...assnt prosecutor of somerset county new jersey. they used to babysit me in the police station.

jomi822 · 06-08-2007, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by zbtboy

you must not know a lot of cops. Yes cops make bad decisions but to think they opened fire on someone cause they didnt listen to a command is rediculous. The guy doesnt stop at a check point, then leads police on a chase, then drives in the direction of a police officer. Why is it wrong to suspect that this person is a danger to both the police and the public?

look we both know how this went down. this guy blows by their checkpoint, so immediately what he has in store for himself is a chase, being dragged from his car, tackled, screamed at, cuffed, generally disrespected, and treated as subhuman overall.

to top things off, he continues to drive and ignore the directives of police officers, how dare he. THEN he probably messed up shifting into park and was going in reverse at idling speed. thats it for this guy, we are pissed off, he didnt listen to us, we had to drive and abandon our almighty seat belt moneymaker checkpoint, and do paperwork. this guy is going to get it. blam blam. officer safety.

oh hes mentall disabled...well WHAT IF HE WASNT. what if he was trying to kill us. what if he was the leader of drug cartel packing 50 caliber weapons under his home depot vest. what if.

well guess what. he wasnt, and he didnt, and the cops were wrong. and this happend because the first reaction is to fire and ask questions later.

zbtboy · 06-08-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jomi822

look we both know how this went down. this guy blows by their checkpoint, so immediately what he has in store for himself is a chase, being dragged from his car, tackled, screamed at, cuffed, generally disrespected, and treated as subhuman overall.

to top things off, he continues to drive and ignore the directives of police officers, how dare he. THEN he probably messed up shifting into park and was going in reverse at idling speed. thats it for this guy, we are pissed off, he didnt listen to us, we had to drive and abandon our almighty seat belt moneymaker checkpoint, and do paperwork. this guy is going to get it. blam blam. officer safety.

oh hes mentall disabled...well WHAT IF HE WASNT. what if he was trying to kill us. what if he was the leader of drug cartel packing 50 caliber weapons under his home depot vest. what if.

well guess what. he wasnt, and he didnt, and the cops were wrong. and this happend because the first reaction is to fire and ask questions later.

Wow...thats assuming a lot. Have you seen footage showing how this played out or know something the rest don't? I'm not going to pretend like I know how it played out, but to automatically assume the cops were wrong is a mistake. I've done enough ride alongs (I'm actually trying to become a police officer) to know first hand how difficult those decisions are and how it affects those that have to make them. They might have made the wrong decision for all I know, but to automatically attribute that to arrogance or self-righteousness is insulting.

anabolicrhino · 06-08-2007, 03:38 PM

Most states allow the police to use lethal force only when there is no other way to save a life. I am only reading the story as reported
by the police in this case,..but if I was a lawyer prosecuting the case against the cops ...It would go like this:

Officer Jones when are you as a police officer allowed to use lethal force?

So, when you opened fire you were protecting your life because there were no alternative options ?

So, the only way to protect your self from a car traveling in reverse is to shoot the driver?

Did you learn this in the academy?

So, this was a choice that you felt best served to protect and serve the public in accordance to the law as you know it?

Leave your badge on the table!

zbtboy · 06-08-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by anabolicrhino

Most states allow the police to use lethal force only when there is no other way to save a life. I am only reading the story as reported
by the police in this case,..but if I was a lawyer prosecuting the case against the cops ...It would go like this:

Officer Jones when are you as a police officer allowed to use lethal force?

So, when you opened fire you were protecting your life because there were no alternative options ?

So, the only way to protect your self from a car traveling in reverse is to shoot the driver?

Did you learn this in the academy?

So, this was a choice that you felt best served to protect and serve the public in accordance to the law as you know it?

Leave your badge on the table!

If a car is driving towards you and you have a gun, what are your other options? Shoot one across the hood as a warning? Shoot out the tires (cause people have never kept driving with blown tires)?? Try to pull a superman and stop the car with your hands?

Why were these cops wrong to assume this person was a danger?

I wonder if this would even be news if the person was a criminal or heck, a black kid?

zbtboy · 06-08-2007, 04:03 PM

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?...Y3dnFlZUVFeXkz

Two things worth noting from this article..1. an officer was hit by the car. 2. Its within NJ state law for police to fire at a fleeing suspect.

jomi822 · 06-08-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by zbtboy

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?...Y3dnFlZUVFeXkz

Two things worth noting from this article..1. an officer was hit by the car. 2. Its within NJ state law for police to fire at a fleeing suspect.

ehhh wrong.

an officers CAR was hit..NOT an officer. big difference. i guarantee, in fact, i bet my eternal soul that there was a grand total of 1 dent in the officers car, and not a very big one.

zbtboy · 06-08-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jomi822

ehhh wrong.

an officers CAR was hit..NOT an officer. big difference. i guarantee, in fact, i bet my eternal soul that there was a grand total of 1 dent in the officers car, and not a very big one.

uuhhh...Am i reading this wrong..

Clifton police Detective Lt. Richard Berdnik said one of the officers had been grazed by the car and received minor injuries.

jomi822 · 06-08-2007, 04:17 PM

Clifton police Detective Lt. Richard Berdnik said one of the officers had been grazed by the car and received minor injuries. All three men were treated and released Sunday night, he said.

so lets shoot a retard 6 times IN THE BACK