Jersey Cops Shoot Forest Gump ???
- 06-08-2007, 07:25 AM
Jersey Cops Shoot Forest Gump ???
A mentally disabled man failed to stop at a routine check point and took six bullets !!!
- 06-08-2007, 08:25 AM
Idiots. What if it was a diabetic who was delirious, or a person w/ any other ailment? I don't see how filling a car full of bullets was warranted in this situation. Of course, I wasn't there and am basing this opinion off the article.
I've watched quite a few episodes of cops. And even when the criminals attempt high speed getaways putting the lives of many people in danger, nobody opens fire on the car when it finally comes to a stop.
06-08-2007, 08:40 AM
Yea, there is no way for the cops to know if the man was mentally challenged or not. but the "aiming the car" defense seems a bit flimsy. I mean is it even possible to aim a car? Do they mean the car was pointing in the direction of the cops? Does that warrant the use of deadly force ? After the shots were fired was the car not pointing in the direction of the cops? Why did they stop firing? Did they run out of bullets,..or were they no longer threatened by the car being aimed in their direction because they shot the driver six times? Lets keep in mind that the drivers car was in "reverse" at the time of the shooting!!!
trial by jury time
06-08-2007, 11:05 AM
I love how people automatically jump down the cops throats when something like this happens. Call up your local police force and ask to do a ride along and see for yourself what its like out there before you start passing judgement.
06-08-2007, 11:20 AM
06-08-2007, 02:12 PM
Yes you can aim a car. I do it everyday with my steering wheel. deadly force = deadly force. a 2 ton object coming your direction will kill you so you use deadly force to save your life. when the deadly force is no longer present you reduce your level of force. remember you have the right to save your or someone elses life. Reverse is your lowest and most powerful gear. I would have blown the SOB away as a civilian and I would expect the cops to do the same thing.
06-08-2007, 02:15 PM
the whole disability thing does not work for me because I see many disabled people that commit crimes. they work jobs and get college degrees. it is a lot easier to be disabled than you might think. there is an agency here that tells their clients the tricks to getting on disability, like quit your job dont go to school, dont take your meds when seeing the disability dr...
06-08-2007, 02:34 PM
dude this wasnt in ****ing compton....it was in CLIFTON new jersey. i am from new jersey, and clifton is not exactly a rough area. far from it.
this is a classic case of "we are the cops, and if you dont do exactly what we want when we tell you to do it we are going to hurt you"
06-08-2007, 03:22 PM
06-08-2007, 03:24 PM
i know dozens of cops. i spent my childhood afternoons inside my mothers office...assnt prosecutor of somerset county new jersey. they used to babysit me in the police station.
06-08-2007, 03:29 PM
to top things off, he continues to drive and ignore the directives of police officers, how dare he. THEN he probably messed up shifting into park and was going in reverse at idling speed. thats it for this guy, we are pissed off, he didnt listen to us, we had to drive and abandon our almighty seat belt moneymaker checkpoint, and do paperwork. this guy is going to get it. blam blam. officer safety.
oh hes mentall disabled...well WHAT IF HE WASNT. what if he was trying to kill us. what if he was the leader of drug cartel packing 50 caliber weapons under his home depot vest. what if.
well guess what. he wasnt, and he didnt, and the cops were wrong. and this happend because the first reaction is to fire and ask questions later.
06-08-2007, 04:11 PM
Wow...thats assuming a lot. Have you seen footage showing how this played out or know something the rest don't? I'm not going to pretend like I know how it played out, but to automatically assume the cops were wrong is a mistake. I've done enough ride alongs (I'm actually trying to become a police officer) to know first hand how difficult those decisions are and how it affects those that have to make them. They might have made the wrong decision for all I know, but to automatically attribute that to arrogance or self-righteousness is insulting.
06-08-2007, 04:38 PM
Most states allow the police to use lethal force only when there is no other way to save a life. I am only reading the story as reported
by the police in this case,..but if I was a lawyer prosecuting the case against the cops ...It would go like this:
Officer Jones when are you as a police officer allowed to use lethal force?
So, when you opened fire you were protecting your life because there were no alternative options ?
So, the only way to protect your self from a car traveling in reverse is to shoot the driver?
Did you learn this in the academy?
So, this was a choice that you felt best served to protect and serve the public in accordance to the law as you know it?
Leave your badge on the table!
06-08-2007, 04:55 PM
Why were these cops wrong to assume this person was a danger?
I wonder if this would even be news if the person was a criminal or heck, a black kid?
06-08-2007, 05:03 PM
06-08-2007, 05:12 PM
06-08-2007, 05:13 PM
06-08-2007, 05:17 PM
Clifton police Detective Lt. Richard Berdnik said one of the officers had been grazed by the car and received minor injuries. All three men were treated and released Sunday night, he said.
so lets shoot a retard 6 times IN THE BACK
06-08-2007, 05:26 PM
06-08-2007, 05:36 PM
One question I think that needs to be asked is whether this individual was fit to be driving in the first place? If we are to believe the story, he became confused at a police check stop, not understanding what to do. That wouldn't inspire alot of confidence in myself in his ability react to the dynamic activity of driving, in such a fashion as to not be a danger to himself and others on the road.
06-08-2007, 10:28 PM
First whether he was mentally retarded has nothing to do with what the police officers did. They had no way of knowing. Yes they could jump out of the way of the car, but usually in a case where someone is trying to run a cop over they than try and flee the scene so they, A. jump outta the way and he drives off or B. Shoot and try and stop him before he drives off and potentially have another high speed chase resulting in the death of someone not involved in any way?
Everyone has seen high speed chases, they are dangerous and often times several cars and run into and others non-involved receive injuries as well. I think what happened is horrible, but I am sick of every story I read about cops and how these are such horrible people and they just shoot for fun, like to pick on minorities and so on. Yes there are some bad cops out there who should not be cops, but the majority are good people trying to do their job without getting hurt and to prevent others from getting hurt. Give them a damn break already, how many cops have died trying to protect us and make our country and a safer place? Mistakes DO happen and always WILL happen, its horrible when they do, but it does not mean the cop is doing it on purpose. There is a balance between too little force and too much force, its hard to find it and cops do their best to make sure things get done right.
06-08-2007, 11:53 PM
06-08-2007, 11:56 PM
Mistakes are part of life, but you never want a mistake to take a life.
Just because the cops made a mistake does not make them bad people.
However, if they made the mistake because they were incompetent, then they are bad cops
...and that is what this is about making sure that the people who are enforcing the laws are good cops!
06-09-2007, 01:12 AM
I do agree with you that if a cop is incompetent he should not be a cop, but I just am not sure this situation would warrant this, given the situation it sounds like they thought they were about to be run over which I think would warrant shooting to prevent the person from getting away and creating more harm as the chase continued on.
06-09-2007, 03:15 AM
to be honest i am 90% simply playing devils advocate in my above posts.
these cops were PROBABLY justified in what they did.
however that doesnt mean it was right. i can say that, with the facts presented in the fashion that they are, i would have not responded with that kind of force or intent.
06-09-2007, 08:47 AM
Does not sound like a high speed chase to me.When Kubasta did not stop, Garfield police followed him on Route 19, and three Clifton police cars joined the pursuit at the city limits, according to Avigliano's account. He said Kubasta was not speeding. It was unclear what happened next, but the car stopped at Route 19 and Broad Street. Police approached the car, and Kubasta went into reverse, hit a Clifton police car and then began driving forward, Avigliano said. The three Clifton policemen then reportedly fired a total of nine to 12 rounds, hitting Kubasta with six shots in the torso and injuring him critically, Avigliano said
Unclear what happened? 3 cop cars presumably with officers in each meaning 3 cops. Sounds more like we have not got our stories right yet.
Grazed by the car? That sounds like bull**** to me.
Was he grazed by the car before or after they shot him? Sounds more like the cop with minor injuries was probably the only smart one that jumped out of the way of the vehicle.
IMO, case of premature panic. Probably watched too many cop shows on TV
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life. Lao Tse 6th century BC
06-09-2007, 11:28 AM
06-09-2007, 11:30 AM
Or they do nothing and you have what just happened a couple days ago when they drive right trhough a crowed of people. A Car is a deadly weapon and when not used in the way it is supposed to be used can be seen as a threat. Until you have been in that scenario you can only archair what you would do.
Let all the facts come out before you hang anyone.
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