Ridiculous new public school snack machine and cafateria food guidelines

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ABC News: Fill Your Vending Machines With Veggies and Milk

i dont even know where to start on this. unbelievable. gatorade only after a full hour of strenuous activity...and only for athletes?

this article assumes all kids are fatasses with low metabolism. the problem is fat lazy kids, not school vending machines. i would have been emaciated in middle and high school if these guidleines were in place.


April 25, 2007 — It's time for an afternoon snack. Instead of picking up a candy bar or cola drink, soon grade school through high school students may have only healthy snacks, like low-fat milk or baby carrots, to choose from while at school.

With approximately $2.2 billion spent on junk food at schools nationwide in 2003 alone, a report released today on nutrition standards in schools recommends that they stop selling unhealthy snacks.

Written by the prestigious Institute of Medicine, the report states that 98 percent of high schools have vending machines, school stores or snack bars that sell junk food. Though school lunches and breakfasts are regulated, what's sold outside the cafeteria is virtually unregulated by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Today's report provides recommendations to promote healthy eating habits at school and to reduce the risk of childhood obesity, which can cause other medical problems such as diabetes, high blood pressure and early cardiovascular disease.

The nutritional value that school and afterschool snacks should have is outlined in the report. The snacks should be low fat, low sugar and low in salt. They should have no trans fats and no more than 200 calories. Individual fruits, like apples and pears, low-salt whole grain crackers and 100 percent whole-grain minibagels would all pass the test.

As for beverages, the report recommends all caffeinated and sweetened beverages be pulled from schools. Caffeine can lead to dependency and result in withdrawal symptoms like headache, moodiness and shakiness.

Though beverages with artificial sweeteners, such as Equal or Splenda, have fewer calories, the report suggests not selling them in grade schools and middle schools because the effect of the sweeteners on childhood development is still unknown. Artificially sweetened drinks could be made available to high school students, however, although it is not as highly recommended as other drinks like water or milk.

Even sports drinks, like Gatorade, are considered to have too much sugar and according to the report should be available to student-athletes only if they've been vigorously exercising for more than one hour.

Kids are not the only ones who will need to change their habits; some teachers will need to change the way they praise their students, too. The report discourages teachers from using food, like candy, to reward or punish their pupils, as this can lead to an emotional connection to food.



School administrators also are encouraged to minimize marketing images displayed on vending machines especially if the images convey that eating junk food will lead to health or social benefit.



While the Institute of Medicine's reports carry weight, today's report provides recommendations only. It will be up to federal and state lawmakers as well as school districts to implement the recommendations.




'Competitive Foods' in Schools


98 percent of high schools, 74 percent of middle schools and 43 percent of elementary schools have vending machines, a school store or snack bar.



Most common items offered in high schools: fruit, vegetable juices, sports drinks, salty snacks, baked goods, sandwiches, pizza, frozen deserts, candy and soft drinks.



Estimated that approximately $2.2 billion of "competitive foods and beverages" were sold in United States in 2003-04.



There are two tiers of preferred snacks/ beverages.




Tier One



Only Tier One snacks can be offered during school day.



Packaged snack items should be:



Less than 200 calories



Low fat — less than 35 percent of calories from fat



No trans fats



Less than 10 percent saturated fats



Low sugar — 35 percent or less from sugars



Low Sodium — 200 milligrams or less



Examples of Tier One foods are individual fruits ( apple or pear slices); baby carrots; low-fat, low- salt whole-grain crackers or chips; whole-grain, low-sugar cereals; and 100 percent whole-grain minibagels.



Beverages should be:



Only 100 percent fruit juices without added sugar



Low-fat and nonfat milk



Water (unsweetened, unflavored, uncarbonated)



No caffeinated beverages



No beverages with "non-nutritive" sweetener (i.e artificial sweeteners) before high school



No sports drinks except for student-athletes after vigorous activity for more than one hour.



Tier Two



Can be offered in addition to Tier One items after school only at high schools.



Snack Food:



Less than 200 calories



Low fat — less than 35 percent of calories from fat



No trans fats



Less than 10 percent saturated fats



Low sugar — 35 percent or less from sugars



Low sodium — 200 milligrams or less



Examples include low-salt baked potato chips, crackers, pretzels. Animal crackers (low sugar), graham crackers (low sugar)



Beverages:



OK to have artificially sweetened, noncaffeinated beverages.
 
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The problem is choices. The schools my kids go to have only the choices of fatty snack foods in their vending machines and their 'healthy' food selection at the lunch line is pathetic. I feel there should be some intervention. It isn't just a weight issue but a over all health issue. Just because you're skinny you should still know the benefits of eating healthy.

An updated and well thought out nutrition course should be in there somewhere too.
 
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making healthy food available to those that want it (and need it, you might say) is much different than taking junk food away from kids that can, and maybe even should, be eating it.
 

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Wait a minute, are you saying that you don't think that having healthy food in our schools is a bad thing? With over 80% of American's being overweight?

Where do you think this starts?

I think getting healthy food to children early is a great thing.
 
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having a healthy option is a good idea but not forcing my thin kid to eat it instead of junk food because your kid is fat. this is just another attempt at the schools playing parent.
I wrestled 140 lbs at 6' as a senior and ate from the vending machines. even now with prohormones I've never had high blood pressure.
 

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People complain about the federal government not doing enough, about the state government not doing enough, about the school districts and community government not doing enough...

I full heartedly agree that this should be placed on the burden of the parent, as pretty much all decisions about one's child should, but IMHO there are more bad parents then good nowadays, and things like this are nessecary to help those who kids who's parent's don't.

Can't you guys give you kid a Snickers and a Pepsi in thier lunch? Or a bag of M&M's to throw in thier bag for a snack? I mean it will be cheaper anyways.
 
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when i was in high school, i used to have a snickers bar and a pepsi before every lacrosse game.

and i used to chug a half gallon of milk and eat a 6 inch sub after every practice. i used to eat motzarella sticks and greasy chicken parm sandwhiches. i weighed 180lbs at 6'2 and my bf% was easily under 10%

i cannot even tell you how livid i would have been if i had that option taken away from me because some kids are ****ing fatasses with no self control.
 

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You were active...the kids this is focussing on aren't.

There are more of the latter.
 
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depriving kids that can handle and possibly need the high sugar/high calorie foods because some kids cannot keep themselves in shape is wrong.

eduacating the obese kids and making their lives miserable in one way or the other seems much more responsible to me than carpet bombing the entire school menu to limit what the fat kids can eat...which of course doesnt solve the real problem anyway.
 

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Well like I said above, why can't the parent give the kid those candies before they goto school? And take the temptation out of the hands of the overweight ones?
 
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are you saying a 14-18 year old isnt responsible enough to know if they are in shape or not? or should or should not be eating that bag of potatoe chips or can of coke?

these kids need to be taught responsibility. taking away the food in the vending machines is not solving the problem.
 
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It's a start and it isn't a fat ass issue as muh as a unhealthy issue. Medical bills and the federal gov't paying for it is costing a ton. Since the fed gov't send money to schools if your area wants vending machines with unhealthy foods so bad they can give up the federal money and fund the programs themselves.

Healthy food doesn't have to be low calorie. Healthy food doesn't have to mean you can't drink a powerade or snickers before your lacrosse game. For those minority that are high metabolism/athletic types they can bring to school those food items they need for games. The majority on a daily basis need this imho...

are you saying a 14-18 year old isnt responsible enough to know if they are in shape or not? or should or should not be eating that bag of potatoe chips or can of coke?
That is exactly what i'm saying. Kids having kids. Kids drinking and doing drugs. Kids dropping out of school. Kids are notorious for making bad decisions. Especially at that age. Maybe don't understand you can have healthy foods and they taste good too. The arguments to put healthy vending machines in schools far outweigh the ones that are against it.
 

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are you saying a 14-18 year old isnt responsible enough to know if they are in shape or not? or should or should not be eating that bag of potatoe chips or can of coke?

these kids need to be taught responsibility. taking away the food in the vending machines is not solving the problem.
are you reading my responses?
 
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so this wont affect the athletes/kids with high metabolsim because they can just bring the candy and soda from home...

cant the kids that these guidelines are targetting do the same exact thing....and be even more likely to do so?:think:
 
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Who cares if kids cant get junk at school, they have the rest of thier lives to be overweight, unhealthy and unhappy. Somthing good happens and someone is always unhappy. You should be mad that you werent given more responsible choices as a child.
 

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so this wont affect the athletes/kids with high metabolsim because they can just bring the candy and soda from home...

cant the kids that these guidelines are targetting do the same exact thing....and be even more likely to do so?:think:

yes they can, and it will be set on the parents to provide it, not the school.

that is my point.
 
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yes they can, and it will be set on the parents to provide it, not the school.

that is my point.
I agree here PI, BUT what happens when you tell a kid they CANT do something?? THEY DO THE OPPOSITE... I expect that if this happens, rebellious little punks will start bringing pounds of junk food and eat it just to piss people off... I think that society gets worse everytime the government TRIES to regulate something, that in all honesty, shouldn't HAVE to be regulated... there's always those few people that fuk it up for the rest of us.
 
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I'm for choice over forced types of foods but I think it is a long time coming in just putting healthy foods in place. My problem is that when they do they have to slam it against people. I agree with RA in that point 100%
 

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Then I suppose the best idea would be to give both options to kids...

One vending machine being healthy, the other being not?

I don't see this as working either.

But I do see the idea presented in the first post to work very well.
 
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Or one vending machine with options to choose a bag of chips or a low fat version of something.
 

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Isn't that the same thing?

Which part will get sold out and which will end up spoiled?
 
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We did this at our dept. with the initial thoughts being the same thing. The healthy food couldn't be kept in stock.
 
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I think we should ditch buses, as well. Cardio for the masses!

Not really.

But, I do believe the pressure put on the school system to *raise* kids is ridiculous. Socialistic behavior?

(btw, my wife is a high school teacher)
 
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id be all for the option approach.

i knew plenty of kids in high school who came in freshman year and walked out senior year 30 or 40lbs lighter. its motivation and responsibility that is the key.

just to put things in perspective...i know a 14 year old kid who makes about $150 a week by bringing in cases of coke and selling it to kids out of his locker.
 
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I think we should ditch buses, as well. Cardio for the masses!

Not really.

But, I do believe the pressure put on the school system to *raise* kids is ridiculous. Socialistic behavior?

(btw, my wife is a high school teacher)
I am in school to teach at a high school level myself, I cant imagine what would happen to the kids in school if their particular soda was taken away... Kids nowadays are so smart when it comes to legal action... the government would be in for one helluva ride with this action. Someone would use hypoglycemia as an excuse, someone would use another excuse, the government would cave in due to the outrage and we would be back at square one. The truth is, options ARE NOT availabe to our society to reduce the insane amount of obese people. Our country is frowned upon soo much for the overweight to healthy people ratio, that I would much rather see America change *SOMETHING* to at least make an effort even it does fail. We could always do what the Germans did and release methamphetamine into the population and let people have fun with that... NOT... I believe that the laws against things are what causes the laws to be broken, call me an idealist.
 
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The gov't wouldn't have an issue in this I don't think simply because they can just pull their dollars from the schools for not following. Although i do think you're right in that they would attempt something like that. The day the gov't got sued successfully to keep junkfood in schools is the day we should take our money out of American banks and get ready for a new flag :)
 
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The gov't wouldn't have an issue in this I don't think simply because they can just pull their dollars from the schools for not following. Although i do think you're right in that they would attempt something like that. The day the gov't got sued successfully to keep junkfood in schools is the day we should take our money out of American banks and get ready for a new flag :)
Aye... anarchy scares me.. LOL Intelligence is common, as well as ADD... it's scary to imagine what today's youth is capable of. ;)
 

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J, for some reason it won't let me quote you, so lets all pretend that I did...

But I agree with you completely. Something like that would be a very interesting case in the Supreme Court.
 
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Bad parenting harms more kids then bad food !

I remember that a school district in the UK tried a similar but more restrictive program. It resulted in open rebellion....by the parents!

a couple of them started selling cheese burgers across the street.

Please don't let the state steal your children !
 
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How about a reward system by the gym coach. allow the top 20% in class to buy junk food. I know there would be complaints for that but I see motivation.
 

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thats still more or less what everyone is arguing about...

the government parenting kids...not the parents.
 
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Considering it's easier to be parent than to be a licensed driver in the US I would think that the vending machine is a small, very small % of what we should be dealing with but I also think that we shouldn't just toss these things to the side just because there are bigger and more important issues.
 
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I just don't understand how anyone, young or old, let themselves get fat.... its such an easily preventable problem for most (not all). Those high schoolers and middleschoolers who the government is trying so hard to protect (or dont want to pay for later) are freakin self concious....heck i was at that age and the last thing that i wanted was to be fat....... you would think that people would take the initiative to take care of themselves instead of blaming parents and governments.

This is simply teaching the youth of america that its ok to blame all of your poor decisions and failures on everything and everyone else but themselves.
 

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I just don't understand how anyone, young or old, let themselves get fat.... its such an easily preventable problem for most (not all). Those high schoolers and middleschoolers who the government is trying so hard to protect (or dont want to pay for later) are freakin self concious....heck i was at that age and the last thing that i wanted was to be fat....... you would think that people would take the initiative to take care of themselves instead of blaming parents and governments.

This is simply teaching the youth of america that its ok to blame all of your poor decisions and failures on everything and everyone else but themselves.

Very good point. I agree fully. Either way, it's a problem and maybe the short term solution will work out in the long run? Health education doesn't seem to be working, so maybe more drastic measures are needed...
 

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Oh, and we all end up paying for them in the long run...thank god we don't have universal healthcare yet...
 
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They get fat for many reasons. Some just do not understand proper dieting...I would go out on a limb and say this is probably the biggest reason.
 
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i just cant stand the fact that kids that dont need these kinds of restrictions are having them imposed on them anyway.

i knew just as many skinny kids in high school as fat kids. what happens to the athletes in this situation?
 

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after thinking about this some more, i totally understand your objections, jomi.

but the athletes would be forced to eat healthier too, so maybe they would be better athletes...ya know?

what other ways are there to fight childhood obesity in the schools?
 
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So a twinkie is better for athletes or a carbonated soda? I don't understand the logic even for skinny kids. This is assuming that healthy foods mean rice cakes and tuna fish.
 
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I think we need to start holding parents responsible for their own children. There's too much of this pass the buck BS. Responsibility... nobody seems to want it, not even for themselves.
 
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I agree parents should have to take the responsiblity but the reality is that we all share in the end. So do we step back and say they 'should' be the ones to be held accountable but still end up taking care of them through the gov't funded programs? If we're going to cut our ties early on we need to keep them cut later when unemployment, disability etc kicks in.
 
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I think we need to start holding parents responsible for their own children. There's too much of this pass the buck BS. Responsibility... nobody seems to want it, not even for themselves.
After thinking about responsibility a bit more, that opens up a whole new can of worms that I, as a US citizen, don't want to deal with. How could you make parents more responsible without more legislation? Education?
 
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I agree parents should have to take the responsiblity but the reality is that we all share in the end. So do we step back and say they 'should' be the ones to be held accountable but still end up taking care of them through the gov't funded programs? If we're going to cut our ties early on we need to keep them cut later when unemployment, disability etc kicks in.
I understand, but the anti-liberal in me does not like that thought. Let's just take care of everybody and make the world a better place? :run:
 
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Good point jay, let me explain.


first of all, i have seen documentaries on tv of school imposed meal plans WHERE THE PARENTS ARE IN CHARGE. each student has a swipable meal card. the cards are programmed to only pay for certain types of foods, designated by the parents.

that wouldnt be a better option? and the whole "well the other kids will just buy them the food their cards wont buy" argument wont work here. like i said, i know a kid that rakes in $150 a week selling coke out of his locker.

well obviously twinkies and soda arent exactly health food, but i sure as hell pounded plenty of junk food down in high school to maintain my body weight. i was a SKINNY kid at 6'2 180 and almost all of my friends played sports and were conscious of what they ate as well, which was usually intentionally high in calories.

in between track and lacrosse season my soph year(less than a month) i gained 10lbs of muscle from doing curls, sit ups, and bench pressing. even after eating greasy food all day, shotgunning half a gallon nof milk and a deli sub after every practice, and eating a ton of other healthy food throughout the day..i still slowly dropped back down to 180 by the end of the season. what would have happend if i hadnt been able to get that high calorie food in the cafateria?

what are you going to tell the lineman football player after his practice...heres some water and packaged baby carrots? please.
 
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I do like the option where parents are involved in that type of plan. I also don't think we should go to extremes to explain our position. I don't think baby carrots and a bottle of water is the only option but drinking more water as a growing kid isn't really a bad thing. You can have healthy foods that still give the energy sought after with the soda/chips/candy method. Many kids not only go that route because it tastes good but they too, don't know that you can eat and drink healthy and make it not only taste good but give you energy and strength.

healthy food does not always mean low calorie
 

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Shakes, the biggest problem with holding parents responsible is that there will always be negligent parents, no matter what.

Jomi, I gotta agree with J here, but there are a myriad of benifits beyond weight management to cut out things like sodas, candies and other processed foods.
 
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I say get rid of the machines, pack your own damn lunch, and make gym class mandatory for all students until they graduate.
 

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The whole PE debate is a whole nother can of worms.

I can't understand why schools are not making it mandatory any more.
 
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I agree. And real PE, not this "laze around in gym shorts for a passing grade".

There should be a physical test involved in graduation, haha...
 

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I'm not sure about a physical test, but as long as kids stay active for a bit everyday, I'm more than cool with that.
 

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