Another Marijuana Myth Goes Up In Smoke by Paul Armentano
05-15-2009 09:28 AM
And go to Russia and you'll find Russians. The policy is still very much aimed at the poor in general and blacks in particular. What's more you're trying to change the subject from an argument about prohibition in general and pot in particular which I guess is one you know you can't win, to one about racism and law, where stats can be thrown around a bit. Stick to the topic at hand. These are the facts: prohibition of these drugs was largely based on race lines when enacted; prohibition still largely affects minorities more negatively than whites, even if it is only a reflection of ultimate economic status; prohibition does not work and never has worked and never will work.
Originally Posted by lutherblsstt
05-15-2009 11:29 AM
Hearst's "moralist" pose was just that: a pose.
Originally Posted by CDB
The circulation of Hearst's papers were in danger of outstripping then-existing paper production (based on hemp fibers), and Hearst invested heavily in an industrial process intended to make paper from softwood pulp - even buying huge swaths of woodlands to provide raw materials. The process was poisonous and had a devastating effect on vegetation & livestock in the region containing the plants, but it would be cheaper for Hearst, and Hearst money drove the process forward.
Then some bright boy invented a machine for processing hemp stalks into fiber. The effect was electric, as the new device promised to do to hemp what the cotton gin had done to cotton: take the lid off production, by eliminating tedious and time-consuming manual stages that drove up prices & limited availability. Hearst's new paper scheme was about to get more expensive.
IIRC, the paper-making process Hearst bought into was a DuPont process, so these developments endangered The Dupont profits as well, and a minor capo in the chemical family - one Harry J. Anslinger, married I believe to one of the Dupont kids - was given the job of getting rid of hemp. He did this at first by making up stories about respectable white women being 'insulted' by lazy, thieving Mexicans high on "marihuana", and getting them placed in Hearst papers around the country, and writing anger letters to editors of other papers; the propaganda campaign expanded to include 'hopped-up' Negroes, and eventually led to the infamous "Reefer Madness", a film so over-the-top that it's now considered a comedy classic. The stern warnings that bookend the film were not the stagey ploy we see now: this film was intended to be taken seriously by the white, property-owning public. And it was.
Anslinger was eventually named head of the Bureau on Narcotics, or something like that, and cannabis was initially taxed at the rate of IIRC $100 per ounce, and arrests for cannabis were for tax evasion.... An interesting sidenote is that at the hearing over whether to ban it outright, the AMA put up a stiff argument that the herb was widely useful, and as safe as *any other* herb & that there was no merit in the idea of banning it on account of the public health.
Still, with the weight of Hearst's fortune and influence - and that of Dupont as well - cannabis was eventually banned altogether & remains so. The technological innovation that would have dramatically shifted the availability & uses of hemp and hemp fiber, and the economics thereof, languished for lack of any hemp to work on, pulp paper production took over, Hearst got richer, Dupont got richer, paper got cheaper - in price and in quality: Hemp paper more than 100 years old is cleaner, whiter, more legible and less brittle than pulp paper only a dozen years old (think of all those old, *yellowed* papers, paperback books, magazines, comics...).
As for the touchy-feely, environmental aspects: when I was a kid in the 50s or early 60s, I remember being on a drive with my family, and this drive took us through or near Copper Hill, Tennessee. The Southeast US is typically lush, and was moreso in the lower population densities of the time; thus I noticed when the land turned bare and brown outside the windows, just as I noticed the stink that came in despite the rolled-up windows. The creeks looked like sewers, filled with scum & bubbles, the banks stained colors I'd never seen around a creek.
I asked my dad what had happened. He told me there was a paper mill nearby, and that what we were seeing was typical around paper mills.
Hemp always made better paper, better in every way. Still does. "Course, it's not legal to make it....
There was not so much involvement by the makers of cloth or rope, as there were no alternates to hemp trying to shoulder their way into those markets - although alternatives such as sisal and jute had to be pressed into service once hemp fiber was gone (for rope only). No serious replacement for canvas was ever found TMK - cotton ended up taking all the slack, for good or ill, until synthetics came into the mix (hello again, Mr. Dupont!).
05-15-2009 11:53 AM
Originally Posted by CDB
There's one plant, and three strains based on growth-habit.
These strains are cultivated for either industrial or medicinal purposes
'HEMP' refers to cannabis cultivated for industrial uses: long fibers perfect for strong, durable cloth and rope, and short fibers perfect for paper; also the oil pressed from the seed has nutritional value, is highly-prized in paint manufature, and as a high-grade industrial lubricant. Also, the seeds are pized as songbird feed.
Therefore, 'hempseed', 'hemp oil', 'hemp paper', etc.
'MARIJUANA' refers to cannabis cultivated for medicinal purposes: the dried flowering tops of the hemp / cannabis plant, when it has been cultivated for the production of said tops.
'Sativa' grows tall, and thus is most cultivated industrially for fibers and seeds; 'indica' grows squat, and is thus most cultivated medicinally; 'ruderalis' is typically not cultivated, as its growth-habit does not respond well to cultivation.
ONE plant. Not two.
05-15-2009 01:14 PM
So be it. My point was though that it's easy to tell hemp from weed, know what I mean? If you don't seperate the males and females and, as you say, cultivate for the buds themselves, you're going to end up with a ****load of seeds and some plants that might make a decent rope.
Originally Posted by BodyWizard
Edit: Plus you can't smell 'hemp' three miles away. 'Weed' is pungent as hell. When I grew it, it damn near stunk up the whole block.
05-15-2009 06:54 PM
I have read this....Adding in my moral and faith based beliefs, even I think marijuana should be legal. It does no damage when you compare it to cigarettes or alcohol. It does some, but in comparison....wow. If it is not abused I could see even being used therapeutically.
Same principles should be followed with alcohol though. Not allowed to drive under influence, not allowed to show up at work under influence. The only reason they wont legalize it for tax purposes is it would spin off too much business. As well as its soo easy to grow on your own, no one would by store brand(if I smoked it, I wouldnt. I mean, damn).
05-15-2009 09:29 PM
No disagreement w/ any of this. Sorry about the semantic tango there....
Originally Posted by CDB
05-16-2009 10:55 AM
When compared to other legal (us) recreational drugs marijuana is definitely much safer and non-toxic.
The reason it's illegal isn't because of this though, obviously.
I will offer my opinion over the reason why, as I have heard of the taxtile company thing, as well as the tax issue in the past, but the reason I think marijuana is illegal is due to it's thought provoking abilities. Not to mention, if it was legal, much more of the population would be prone to using it more often, and for longer periods of time. I am a firm believer that marijuana can lead to rebellion, and that 'stoner' mentality that has already been discussed in this thread. It just opens your eyes to new paradigms and gestalts which our gov't has worked so hard to condition us with. As governments are expressions of cohesive energies, or neg-entropy, anything that promotes individualism/entropy is ultimately the antagonist, and they exist solely to suppress that.
I think it would be interesting if it was legal, I would open up a bakery, 'Baked', and include large doses of THC within my flax/protein baked concoctions.
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