Another Marijuana Myth Goes Up In Smoke by Paul Armentano

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    I'll roll a fatty for everyone.

    AHH YEAH!


    I want to write a book before I die explaining how we can reach utopia on this planet. I really do think we can do it. I'll post it on this board.

    PS- Dont hold your breath. Something like that would only come from an old mans wisdom.


  2. I'll supply the weed, CDB. Just make sure the directions are clear cause I can **** up directions off mapquest.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
    I can understand that. There's a lot of laws that I don't believe should be there to begin with or how genericly written they can be used by those wishing to bend the law to put you in a bad istuation.

    I also know people who were wrongfully pulled over but ended up being charged for much worse. Like revoked license and suspended tags etc. They are too scared to do anything and usually too broke to get a good lawyer. But that's a whole other story.
    Yes, a good lawyer can do a lot for you. In most cases the money you pay him/her will be a lot less than the damages assesed over the long term. Especially if someone is trying to hit you with charges that are not right or just.

    ManBeast

    P.S. Ya'll hit me up when ya roll that fattie
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by ManBeast
    Yes, a good lawyer can do a lot for you. In most cases the money you pay him/her will be a lot less than the damages assesed over the long term. Especially if someone is trying to hit you with charges that are not right or just.

    ManBeast

    P.S. Ya'll hit me up when ya roll that fattie
    Got to wait for Jay to raid the evidence room. Another reason I could never be a cop. All that stuff, not even the drugs, and it just sits there or gets sold to some putz.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Got to wait for Jay to raid the evidence room. Another reason I could never be a cop. All that stuff, not even the drugs, and it just sits there or gets sold to some putz.

    A bunch was "misplaced" in a police department a town over from me a few months ago
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by spatch
    A bunch was "misplaced" in a police department a town over from me a few months ago
    Doesn't surprise me. The best source for drugs when I was growing up was the cop who lived on my street. Best grass and coke I've had to date except for some dusted weed a friend of mine got a hold of once. That had a friend of mine under the kitchen table yelling something about Kurt Loder coming to get him. Then he turned green and barfed on the floor and then passed out. My friend Mike and I rolled a honey L and spent the rest of the night toking and finishing the other guy's share of White Castle.

    I swear, when I look back on my life sometimes I think I wasted a lot of it, but then sometimes I think it truly was fun and worth every minute.

    Sort of off the topic but one of my friends never got the smelly fingers bit after fingering his girl. He finally got it, and was riding home one night on his motor scooter, and yes I think the dumb prick was stoned, and he was sniffing his fingers inside his helmet and rode straight into the back of a parked GMC pick up. Broke his arm. Still hasn't lived it down.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by CDB
    Sort of off the topic but one of my friends never got the smelly fingers bit after fingering his girl. He finally got it, and was riding home one night on his motor scooter, and yes I think the dumb prick was stoned, and he was sniffing his fingers inside his helmet and rode straight into the back of a parked GMC pick up. Broke his arm. Still hasn't lived it down.

    HAHA

    One of my friends once went up to my other friends gf (while the boyfriend was in the same room) while bent off his a$$ and said "you want to ****!?, because when I wake up in the morning none of this would have happened."

    I quite litterally ROFLed

  8. Quote Originally Posted by spatch
    HAHA

    One of my friends once went up to my other friends gf (while the boyfriend was in the same room) while bent off his a$$ and said "you want to ****!?, because when I wake up in the morning none of this would have happened."

    I quite litterally ROFLed


    Memories, hazy though they may be at times, can be fun.

  9. [QUOTE][Memories, hazy though they may be at times, can be fun./QUOTE]

    If I could just remember my memories......

  10. One of the very first times I toked was with two good friends who apparently made it a point to get the strongest stuff they could find and get me wasted. Well, they did and we were all standing around outside talking stupid talk when my one friend started bragging about his new fleece (this was a long time ago and fleeces were new and so was Gore Tex).

    He was talking up his new North Face parka and fleece liner all proud that he spent $400 bucks on this space suit when he adds "and the guy at the store told me the fleece is like flame proof."

    Weeelllllll, guess who was holding the lighter at the time? Yeah, me, and I say "Oh really? Let's check it out." and I hold the flame on his new fleece while we all just stood there and watched me do it for what must have been forever in stoner minutes.

    Poof! Fleece bubbles up and a big hole is formed while we stare at it. The victim finally snaps out of his stupor and screams "HEY!" and jumps back.

    We die laughing, of course.
  11. lutherblsstt
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Marijuana has one of the lowest rates of addiction of any drug used, period. See the 1999 IOM report for a comparitive analysis of rates of addiction. But I suppose you're right. We need to stop the 'introduction' of a drug that's already here en masse, and keep locking people up for use, even though there are few if any consequences associated with recreational use. It's much easier to destroy people's lives and deprive those with medical conditions of a possible source of pain reduction than rethink the government propoganda that's been shoved down most people's throats.

  12. dpfisher
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    Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
    LOL this thread is 3 years old... been smoking much?

    As long as it's back here's my opinion: The government doesn't have the right to tell us what to put in our bodies. Until the 1930s it was considered your right to put whatever you want in your body. The FDA was created and required labeling of products and this was a good thing... but the resulting backlash and ban on morphine set a dangerous precedent that has cost billions of dollars and who knows how many innocent lives. If this were truly the land of the free we wouldn't take away people's freedom to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by dpfisher View Post
    LOL this thread is 3 years old... been smoking much?

    As long as it's back here's my opinion: The government doesn't have the right to tell us what to put in our bodies. Until the 1930s it was considered your right to put whatever you want in your body. The FDA was created and required labeling of products and this was a good thing... but the resulting backlash and ban on morphine set a dangerous precedent that has cost billions of dollars and who knows how many innocent lives. If this were truly the land of the free we wouldn't take away people's freedom to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.
    Legalize ridiculously addictive substances. Great idea. Look how well crack is doing for people. Nevermind the fact that taxpayers will ahve to pay their medical bills because they sure cant, and when they committ crimes to further their habit, again, society will take the brunt of it. Great great great idea.
  14. dpfisher
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    Morphine used to be found in like half of OTC medicines and heroin used to be mailorder... people weren't killing each other over it and robbing random people nearly as much as happens today. Perhaps it helps to think of it as unban rather than legalize... it reminds you that it has not always been illegal. Sure it's destructive but the illegality of it only makes it more destructive.

    So I know you were being sarcastic but yes, it is a great idea.

    YouTube - Glenn Greenwald on Drug Decriminalization in Portugal

  15. Quote Originally Posted by dpfisher View Post
    LOL this thread is 3 years old... been smoking much?
    First thing that ran through my head too.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by TexasTitan View Post
    Legalize ridiculously addictive substances. Great idea. Look how well crack is doing for people.
    Yeah, imagine what it will be like when all those people who want to be useless crackheads but haven't been going that route because of the cost and legal risk now have the option. I know I personally have been wanting to mainline heroin every night and live in my own ****, but gods, the legal bills alone will kill you...

    Nevermind the fact that taxpayers will ahve to pay their medical bills because they sure cant, and when they committ crimes to further their habit, again, society will take the brunt of it. Great great great idea.
    Tax payers have voluntarily offerred to pay the medical bills of others. If they don't want to the legislatures are perfectly able of writing that exception into Medicare/Medicaid and any state level programs, or dumping pseudo-socialized medicine altogether so individuals alone bear the cost of the health decisions. In any event, partially nationalizing the health care industry and then complaining about having to pay the costs of people's stupid decisions is like knowingly buying a haunted house and then complaining about the creaky doors and the banging late at night. It comes with the territory. And if you want to use it as an excuse to dictate the health decisions of others then it shall also be used to dictate your health decisions too. So say goodbye to any habit or indulgence you enjoy but which can be shown to have health risks.

    And anyway, what would you rather pay, their medical bills, or their food and board once they're in prision, plus the cost of the security system on your house because the neighborhood that was once safe is now overrun with prohibition funded drug gangs, plus the extra costs for cops and courts necessary for enforcement, plus the cost of the ineffective but apparently necessary foreign military interventions and the violence that is spawned over seas and the lives that are destroyed, plus the cost of the massive corruption in law enforcement and justice systrems that's endemic to any attempt to prohibit drugs, plus the extra cost in lost freedoms which in time will eventually come back to bite you in the ass as readily as anyone else?

    The idea that society is somehow 'protected' from paying the toll for drug abuse by prohibition is about as naive as it's possible to get. Not only is society paying the toll for drug abuse anyway, it's paying the toll of the ineffective policy as well which is more massive and far reaching than having to pay for the methadone of some poor prick who can't keep his **** together. Not that I'm advocating that. As far as I'm concerned I would end socialized medicine so no one had to pay anyone's health bills, and anyone caught committing a crime under the influence of any drug would be punished as severely if not more so than if they were caught doing it sober.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    I'm sick of giving a pass to people on the "I'm just following orders" or "It's my job" lines.
    HAHAhahahaha.. oh man... CDB, you just made my freaking day... man... you just don't get off the same subject thread in and thread out. Lets just be glad it is not yourself giving the pass, your "pass" essentially means... and get this... not a damn thing.

    Oh man... tears CDB... freaking tears.

    Even three years ago you have a sense of humor.

    Adams
    The Historic PES Legend

  18. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    HAHAhahahaha.. oh man... CDB, you just made my freaking day... man... you just don't get off the same subject thread in and thread out. Lets just be glad it is not yourself giving the pass, your "pass" essentially means... and get this... not a damn thing.

    Oh man... tears CDB... freaking tears.

    Even three years ago you have a sense of humor.

    Adams
    If you're going to troll do so more skillfully. This is a pretty pathetic attempt.

    Gee, wonder if we look at your posts in the politics section from a few years ago if we'll see some of the same points coming up. Or were you a Michael Moore fan back then and only recently reformed?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    If you're going to troll do so more skillfully. This is a pretty pathetic attempt.

    Gee, wonder if we look at your posts in the politics section from a few years ago if we'll see some of the same points coming up. Or were you a Michael Moore fan back then and only recently reformed?
    u mad?
    The Historic PES Legend
  20. lutherblsstt
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDB View Post
    Once more, tell that to the cops out here. Your opinion is in direct conflict with reality as I've witnessed and personally experienced.



    Once more, your statements show how divorced from reality you are on this subject. When discussing the WoD, especially on marijuana, government and proprohibition reps routinely site federal statistics of people locked up for weed when they damn well know that the vast majority of people serving time for weed possession and dealing are in state and local prisons and jails. It's a nonsense strategy that takes about one second to see through, but it's still used to somehow convince people that law enforcement is only concerned with big fish.



    My actions? Your reasoning seems to be that whatever the government decides to make illegal is just dandy, and anyone who violates the law however ridiculous, immoral and unethical that law is somehow has to 'take responsibility.' So I guess if they outlaw certain books all those authors they lock up will just have to ;take responsibility for their actions,' eh? ****ing bull**** subserviant state zombie attitude, and I'm so God damn sick of it. I truly hope one day the government decides it doesn't like something you or some member of your family does, and then they or you can 'take responsiblity' for your actions and sit and rot in prison next to some guy doing twenty years for possessing one more arbitrary dosage unit of weed or acid or whatever than the government thought he should have.
    A friend of mine (who I disagree with) was reading this and wants to post but only on this topic,so I let him use my account, he's an MMA guy and goes by "Rightintheface"

    Hi,I can't be bothered to set up an account but CDB and his points need to be addressed.

    I'm not subservient to the state. I participate in society and hold my responsibilities in higher regard than my rights to do stupid crap. Big difference.

    I don't smoke because I don't want to smoke, and I believe that if you want to smoke, you ought to campaign for its legalization. At that point, smoke away (even though I'll still think it's dumb).

    This idea that you don't hurt anyone is not as clear-cut as you make it.

    Everything has consequences, and maybe your pot smoking (I don't even know if you actually smoke,so this is hypothetical) might not have major consequences, but it also might.

    You are part of a society. Societies are built upon social contracts. When certain people break those contracts, that damages society's cohesiveness. The less intelligent among them take things to extremes and then we have truly ridiculous or terrible behavior. I see so many places in this society where people cry like infants about their rights but pay no mind to their responsibilities to society.

    I see so much in this society dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Pot is not the cause of it, but it most certainly plays its part.

    And again, doing it in this "civil disobedience" manner is what I care more about. Even if it's legal I think it's stupid, but I think the same thing about boozehounds or my sister's caffeine dependence or my mom's 30 year smoking habit. It's stupid and irresponsible, but at least it's legal.

    The laws are there for a reason. This one isn't there for a necessarily good one, but to pretend that disobeying one law has no effect outside it's immediate context is the dumbest argument I can imagine.

  21. hah the only reason marijauna is illegal because of the rich people owning the paper companies back in the day, having a hand in the government. Just goes to show what money can do.

  22. Exactly right! Hemp was posing a threat to the aristocrats and they shut it down! This is what propaganda get you!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by emulvey View Post
    hah the only reason marijauna is illegal because of the rich people owning the paper companies back in the day, having a hand in the government. Just goes to show what money can do.
    Hahaha... Dude.. Awesome post. We need to pow wow so i can find out where you came up with this gem.

    Adams
    The Historic PES Legend

  24. Quote Originally Posted by lutherblsstt View Post
    A friend of mine (who I disagree with) was reading this and wants to post but only on this topic,so I let him use my account, he's an MMA guy and goes by "Rightintheface"

    Hi,I can't be bothered to set up an account but CDB and his points need to be addressed.

    I'm not subservient to the state. I participate in society and hold my responsibilities in higher regard than my rights to do stupid crap. Big difference.
    The state and society are not the same thing. And, the ideology that holds responisiblities to the state, whatever the hell those are, higher than individual rights is what leads to a police state. Freedom means defense of the right to be free of government manipulation even if you think most people will use that free to do "stupid crap."

    I don't smoke because I don't want to smoke, and I believe that if you want to smoke, you ought to campaign for its legalization. At that point, smoke away (even though I'll still think it's dumb).
    And until then run the risk of ridiculously long jail sentences, disenfranchisement, a permanent 'criminal' record. All of which are doing wonders for young black men especially these days.

    This idea that you don't hurt anyone is not as clear-cut as you make it.

    Everything has consequences, and maybe your pot smoking (I don't even know if you actually smoke,so this is hypothetical) might not have major consequences, but it also might.
    Actually it doesn't. The act of smoking pot per se hurts no one. As for your point "everything has consequences," so what? Does that mean "everything" is the proper purview of government regulation? Pure nonsense. Just because we don't live in a vacuum and any action taken by anyone can however tangentially and tenuously be said to affect everyone is irrelevant. What demonstrable, provable damages can you show that are caused to you by someone lighting up a joint when they feel like it?

    You are part of a society. Societies are built upon social contracts.
    This is bull**** PHI 101 crap. Society is not built on a contract. If it is, show me that contract. If you can not, tell me the substance of that contract. If you can do that, then show me where I or anyone else explicitly agreed to this contract. What's more, once you do all that, please explain why, even though the government has defaulted on its end an estimated sixty trillion times, the contract is still in force? Social contact theory is just so much bull**** and logical contortionism to try and make the state one with society, to justify its authority, and to somehow try and suibstantively differentiate it from any other mob of thieves and bullies.

    When certain people break those contracts, that damages society's cohesiveness. The less intelligent among them take things to extremes and then we have truly ridiculous or terrible behavior. I see so many places in this society where people cry like infants about their rights but pay no mind to their responsibilities to society.
    Do tell, what are their responsibilities?

    I see so much in this society dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Pot is not the cause of it, but it most certainly plays its part.
    I'll make sure and tell that to all my former A students who also puffed occasionally.

    And again, doing it in this "civil disobedience" manner is what I care more about. Even if it's legal I think it's stupid, but I think the same thing about boozehounds or my sister's caffeine dependence or my mom's 30 year smoking habit. It's stupid and irresponsible, but at least it's legal.
    So if the government made gay bashing legal, it's okay? I mean yeah it involves hurting people who never did a ****ing thing to hurt anyone else mere because of where and when and with who they choose to get their rocks off, but hey, at least it'd be legal. Not like other assaults in any way shape or form because of that...

    The laws are there for a reason. This one isn't there for a necessarily good one, but to pretend that disobeying one law has no effect outside it's immediate context is the dumbest argument I can imagine.
    So you have said, along with a bunch of neo conish social responsibility schtick that Lyusander Spooner disposed of neatly a century or so ago. You have made several claims, provided no evidence or backing for them, or even ellucidation as to what these amorphous 'reponsibilities' are. You have given no copy or content for this social contract you claim exists, nor explained why it seems it's only up to individual citizens to live up to their end while the government can do whatever the **** it wants. Nor have you explained where consent was given for this contract to be binding, apparently assuming implicit agreement based on a geographic accident of where someone was born.

    The use of legality as the defining mechanism of whether or not something is acceptable is contemptable in its implications. Those being that the state can do no wrong that isn't worth sufferring; that the individual is always subserviant to the collective however it is defined; and that morals, ethics, and justice are trumped by legislative fiat. Those are the basis for a disgusting world of collectivism and fascism and are completely at odds with the uniquely American ideas of freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility. The latter meaning you bear the natural consequences of your actions, not those made up on a whim by the state.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Hahaha... Dude.. Awesome post. We need to pow wow so i can find out where you came up with this gem.

    Adams
    While it's not the sole reason for prohibition, it is a matter of historical fact that lobbyists for the prohibition of marijuana came from two camps: moralists like Hearst; business interests against hemp for rope and cloth manufacture. They hide information like that in books which likely explains why you are unaware of it.
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