Another profoundly ignorant article on AAS

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    Theres so many false statements and erroneous conclusions in this that I dont know where to start. So I'll let you all read it and YOU GUYS can bash it.


    Looking good: Now or later?
    by Brendan Murphy
    September 09, 2004
    Even with all the known side effects of steroid use, people continue to use steroids for both athletic and superficial purposes.

    "I think it's a problem across the board, not just at FSU," said Dan Moore, health educator at Thagard Student Health Center. "They're being taken much more than we could ever imagine, but there are not many stats to back this up. People who do steroids will never admit to it. Steroids are hush-hush, undercover, like a secret society."

    Steroids -- also known as gym candy, pumpers, stackers, A's, anabolics, roids, balls, bulls and juice -- have many known side effects, including cancer, liver damage, limb loss, heart disease/heart attack, baldness, HIV/AIDS, pain/difficulty urinating, and stunted growth in adolescents.

    "Since 1991, steroid use has risen 50 percent among eighth and 10th grade students," Moore said. "(Steroid) use has also risen 38 percent among 12th graders. This is scary; that's young."

    The aforementioned side effects should cause concern, but other side effects related to gender are also present.

    "Steroids are related to the sex hormone," Moore said. "For guys, they de-masculinize, for women, they de-feminize."

    Side effects particular to women include the development of male attributes -- deep voice and facial hair -- as well as infertility, smaller breasts, a stopped menstrual cycle, and clitoral enlargement.

    For men, side effects include shrunken testes, reduced sperm count, an enlarged prostate, impotence, and irreversible breast enlargements, also known as "man boobs." The medical term for man boobs is gynecomastia.

    "I would think that 'man boobs' would make some people think twice about steroids," Moore said. "This is not the case."

    The facts are there. Steroids cause men to go limp and grow boobs and they cause women to go bald and grow an unnecessarily large clitoris. But why do people continue to use steroids?

    "There are so many different reasons," Moore said. "If Derek Jeter hits five more home runs this year that means he will probably receive an extra million in his next contract. Or look at the speculation surrounding Barry Bonds. What if he became the greatest home run hitter of all time because of steroids? This is where the athlete motivation comes from -- to gain an edge.

    But what about people who use steroids for reasons other than an athletic edge?

    "For others, steroids simply make you look good," Moore said. "They make you lose weight, look strong and

    give you that desired six-pack. In today's society these things have become real important. But steroids also provide a rush, which becomes addictive. You crave the rush, physically and psychologically. This is why most people take steroids intravenously, because it hits them quicker, right before they go to the gym."

    Intravenously injecting steroids is primarily the reason for HIV/Aids being a side effect of usage, as many steroid users share needles. Not only does sharing needles cause HIV/AIDS, but also:

    "Studies show some cases where sharing needles inflames the inner lining of your heart, which can be deadly," Moore said.

    Sharing needles is clearly dangerous, and a common misconception is that steroids taken orally are cause for less concern.

    "Steroids are illegal, so they're often made in cheap labs and the grade is really low," Moore said. "Who knows who made it? Most steroids are made in Mexico where they're legal. But a lot of the time someone's making steroids in a basement somewhere. You never know what you're going to get. It's like cocaine and heroine, you never know what you're going to get."

    When comparing steroids to cocaine and heroine one would hope that users would be motivated to change their ways, but unfortunately, because of the addictive nature of steroids, people have difficulty fighting the addiction on their own.

    We see steroids on campus everyday: How about the Leach Center where massive men with garden hose veins throw weights around and grunt. Steroids are more common than ever, and they need to be eliminated not only because of the personal damage they cause, but also the damage they cause to others.

    "If you want to screw yourself up that's one thing, but when you effect other people's lives when you 'roid rage,' that's the worst part," Moore said.

    If you or a loved one are being affected by steroids, help is available on campus at the Student Counseling Center by calling 644-2003.

    Just remember:

    "You can achieve these things naturally, it just takes longer," Moore said. "Steroids are the fast answer, but the backlash is hardcore."





    "Most AAS users use IV huh? Most users know that could cause an oil embolism."............US

    "And where did he pull out that statistic about High school student AAS use going up? The surveys I've seen show a DECREASE in the last 5 years.".......(US)

    OK, guys blast away.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by UnicronSpawn

    Steroids -- also known as gym candy, pumpers, stackers, A's, anabolics, roids, balls, bulls and juice -- have many known side effects, including cancer, liver damage, limb loss, heart disease/heart attack, baldness, HIV/AIDS, pain/difficulty urinating, and stunted growth in adolescents.
    This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in my life. Especially considering that there has never been a study definitely linking anabolic steroid use to HIV/AIDS or Cancer..Just ridiculous
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  3. Whats equally rediculous is there are loads of chumps out there gullible enough to believe that garbage without asking for a SHRED of scientific evidence.

    Check out what someone else who read it had to say about it.



    Once again I find myself in awe of the media and political driven education standards that are accepted as lofty by the uneducated, and idiocy by those of us with too many pieces of academia lettered toilet paper.

    Enter The Research Journalist…

    A recent editorial by Brendan Murphy on 9/9/04 shared the combined knowledge of Florida State University (FSU) educators and health care professionals as well as the research talents of so-called media experts in relation to steroid use. (One can only assume that the credentialed et. al. was referring to Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids rather than hormonal birth control, corticoid glucocorticoid or mineralcorticoid steroids, but after reviewing the piece I doubt they would know either).

    Brendan (hopefully wearing a short dress?…I can only hope this is a woman as I am not sure of the spelling) opened her piece in the FSU Student Newspaper sharing her in finding through seconds of in depth research with…

    "Steroids -- also known as gym candy, pumpers, stackers, A's, anabolics, roids, balls, bulls and juice -- have many known side effects, including cancer, liver damage, limb loss, heart disease/heart attack, baldness, HIV/AIDS, pain/difficulty urinating, and stunted growth in adolescents."

    Gym candy, pumpers and balls? I am still working on the limb-loss and HIV/AIDS from androgens!

    *In all fairness we have to remember that women have been attempting to destroy anything that makes a man a man for centuries. This is why wives ask their husbands to hold their purses in public. (Okay, think I am just having fun at women’s expense? Then explain why they use the word "penis" and any man would never consider referring to his phallus in such emasculating terms) Let’s see what a health care professional and educator or our future can add…

  4. What's the source of this piece of crap? Blasting it here is fun, but blasting it to the editor of wherever it showed up, while not likely to make a difference, may make a difference.

  5. I remember seeing this on Meso back then. It was posted on FSU's website.

    (That school is full of retards. )
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  6. guess there looking to expand their highly acclaimed retard population with brain cell anihilating misinformation like this.

  7. I love how they say first that roids cause you to look horrible -- man boobs, etc. Then they turn around say that it makes you look good -- six pack, etc.

    WTF. This reminds me of the many articles talking about gun control.

  8. i am seriously considering shooting an email to FSU. if anyone else would like to make a comment i will include it in the letter along with my comments, sent from an enrypted account and through a cgi-proxy or two just for the hell of it.

  9. Steroids -- also known as gym candy, pumpers, stackers, A's, anabolics, roids, balls, bulls and juice -- have many known side effects, including cancer, liver damage, limb loss, heart disease/heart attack, baldness, HIV/AIDS, pain/difficulty urinating, and stunted growth in adolescents.

    My glass eye and prosthetic arm nearly fell right out/off I laughed so hard reading this dribble.
    Recent log:http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/213350-lean-efx-refined.html

  10. Daniel Moore
    Coord Ed/Train Pgms
    Thagard Student Health Center
    [email protected]
    Phone:850-644-8871


    no one has anything to say to this ignoramus?

  11. This is absolutely ridiculous! I liked the IV comment.

  12. I dont know where to start.
    I know I dont want to just come out of the gate throwing insults around. Im trying to think of a good way to present it.

    Have any of you listened to the audio of Rick Collins recent seminar?
    Its quite long, but a better AAS myth buster ther never was. I can look for a link to it if you guys havent heard it. Thing is I doubt this Dan Moore character would sit and listen to the whole thing.

  13. They sat in a room and tried to brainstorm whatifs, for AS users. Well you could get HIV if you're sharing the needle with your gym partners and the local druggy...You could lose and arm if you're taking steroids while driving and hit an oncoming vehicle. Also, a 50% increase in the high school students could also mean that in this time period the known cases went from 4 to 6 or some such. Usually when no actual numbers are given and just %'s that's the case.

    I'd keep going but I would have to do this for every statement in the article

  14. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822
    Daniel Moore
    Coord Ed/Train Pgms
    Thagard Student Health Center
    [email protected]
    Phone:850-644-8871


    no one has anything to say to this ignoramus?
    Ignorance is its own punishment. The path to enlightenment is long and neverending. The individual must make the choice.
    Red pill or blue pill?

  15. That was deep man did you just open a fortune cookie?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
    They sat in a room and tried to brainstorm whatifs, for AS users. Well you could get HIV if you're sharing the needle with your gym partners and the local druggy...You could lose and arm if you're taking steroids while driving and hit an oncoming vehicle. Also, a 50% increase in the high school students could also mean that in this time period the known cases went from 4 to 6 or some such. Usually when no actual numbers are given and just %'s that's the case.

    I'd keep going but I would have to do this for every statement in the article

    And what about the "most anabolic steroids users inject IV to get the rush faster."
    Wonder where he came up with that statistic. Maybe that's where he got the limb loss thing. (oil embolism). Or Maybe he meant your AAS while driving scenario. (that ones funnier to think about anyway.)
    You could be driving and injecting at the same time (IV of course not IM like your supposed to.) and run people off the road and kill them then when you hit another car the needle would get jammed up your arm and youd have to get it amputated. Lol. it's brilliant. Truly a danger to all those around them. Not like that benign second hand smoke stuff. Or those innocent drunk drivers.

  17. I would like to hear this if you don't mind posting it.

    Quote Originally Posted by UnicronSpawn
    I dont know where to start.
    I know I dont want to just come out of the gate throwing insults around. Im trying to think of a good way to present it.

    Have any of you listened to the audio of Rick Collins recent seminar?
    Its quite long, but a better anabolic steroids myth buster ther never was. I can look for a link to it if you guys havent heard it. Thing is I doubt this Dan Moore character would sit and listen to the whole thing.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822
    Daniel Moore
    Coord Ed/Train Pgms
    Thagard Student Health Center
    [email protected]
    Phone:850-644-8871


    no one has anything to say to this ignoramus?
    Dr. Moore, I understand your enthusiasm for discouraging the non medical use of anabolic steroids. But Im writing to let you know that Im not convinced that exaggerating or falsifying facts is the best way to get young people to listen. Eventually, if the person is serious about considering using anabolic androgenic steroids, they will seek out the sources of these alleged claims. When that happens, the inevitable result will be that they will discover that users DO NOT inject anabolic steroids IV, but rather IM. They will discover that most users DO NOT share needles, and DO NOT get aids from proper needle use. When this happens the potential user will wonder why people want him to believe those things so badly. Wich undermines the credibility of your entire effort to disuade the potential user. You were used as a referance in a recent article that was put out, and it's loaded with so many errors that anyone seriously considering using these powerful drugs would not be likely to view it as a credible source of information.

    Some of the worst side effects listed in the article (many of them with your blessing) are nowhere to be found in any of the available medical literature. There have been no credible studies definitively linking the use of anabolic steroids to cancer. Lyle Alzado doesnt count because even his doctor came forward to publicly announce that and I quote. "There is no known correlation between Lyle Azado's death, and his use of anabolic steroids." Unquote.

    We do know that most anabolic steroids DO lower the high density lipoprotien (HDL) or "good cholestorol", but any links of short term use to cardiovascular events later in life are at this point ENTIRELY SPECULATIVE. You wont find any credible medical or scientific evidence to the contrary because there isnt any. Believe me I've checked. As a man of science, speculation and fact should be distinctly seperated and indentified as such.

    Many of the other side effects mentioned were either circumstancial, transitory, preventable, or all three.
    Liver damage for instance. There is a small ammount of evidence to link anabolic steroid use to liver stress, but appears to be relegated virtually exclusively to 17alpha alkylated oral anabolic steroids, and has only become apparent with extreme over use. IE: extreme dose over extreme duration, far beyond the standards of the average gym going anabolic steroid user. Those cases seem to be scarce in the medical literature I might add.

    I dont know how you came up with the "limb loss" as a side effect of anabolic steroid use, but your really grasping on that one. No college athlete is going to take an article seriously that purports such unverifiable ramifications. If IV administration was your argument there, then you might have a case for an oil embolism. IF it were true that anabolic steroid users inject IV. But they dont. Most of the more well known and widely abused anabolic androgenic steroids are in fact "oil based" and even the most bone headed users are aware that oil based drugs do not belong directly in the blood vessels. Thats because unlike recreational drug use, anabolic steroid use is invariably PREMEDITATED. They plan their "cycles" and base their drug aquisitions on the "cycle" they plan to follow, or plan the "cycle" based on what drugs they were ABLE to aquire.

    Excellerated male pattern baldness: Only in those genetically predisposed, and not a lethal side effect.

    Gynocomastia: preventable with use of a non steroidal AI, or with a SERM. And is not lethal. In cases where AI's and/or SERMS were not employed or were not effective, surgical procedures exist and are commonly performed to completely remove the swollen gland tissue from the area. (Gynocomastia is commonly seen in non anabolic steroid using adolescents and men.)

    The "roid rage" argument has persisted thanks mostly to sensationalistic journalism. There are studies that confirm that anabolic steroids effect seratonin production, but attributing that as a causative factor in acts of violence is irresponsible. Most cases in the media where someone on anabolic steroids comits a violent crime, they conveniently neglect to mention what kind of a person this individual was prior to his steroid use. The studies on rats show an increase in "biting" with administration of androgens. But the human studies that have been done at psychology institutes have shown that only a small minority of users ever experience true rage. Anecdotaly, most users report a sense of well being and confidence. All the so called evidence of alleged "roid rage" seems to be relegated to men with pre existing psychological conditions and/or with concurrent use of other aggression inducing substances such as alcohol or methamphetamine. Such users constitute a small minority of anabolic steroid users, and calling users a threat to all those around them is quite a stretch. Maybe even, (dare I say) "silly".

    There are however legitimate concerns about anabolic steroid use by younger males and by women. The masculizing of a female is an obvious possiblility. (allthough one could argue that it should be their choice if they want to be muscular, with a large clitoris, and needing to shave their masculine looking jawline daily.)

    You wont find any argument against the notion that teens shouldnt be using anabolic steroids. Not just because of premature growth plate closure, but because of the emotional instability and delicate endocrine system of teenagers. They are more likely to use more reckless dosing patterns, more likely to be aggressive while on the drugs, and more likely to be deeply deppressed when stopping use. They are also less likely to know how to come off the drugs in a manner that minimizes typical unwanted ramifications of terminating their "cycles".

    That being said, I believe you'll get through to more young men by emphasising the proven facts then you will by exaggerating them or by presenting highly suspect, circumstancial, preventable, and/or transitory effects as if they were all inevitable consequences of anabolic steroid use. For instance, you didnt even mention acne, wich is far more common of an effect among anabolic steroid users then ANY of the other side effects you listed.
    And because of the current legislation, yes obtaining legit sterile products is a very real danger. (One the could be quelled instantaneously upon reform of said laws.) And anabolic steroids cost big money, so right there are your 3 best tools in your fight against useage. Nobody will care about the effects you list that are either exaggerated, circumstancial, preventable, or transitory.

    So here are your big guns right here: Acne, unsterile products, and monetary cost. And you might want to add that if the safest possible practices of "cycling off" anabolic steroids are realized, then even with "proper post cycle therappy" the user will STILL loose most of the muscle mass and strength aquired while on the drugs.

    Those are your most reliable tools to fight anabolic steroid abuse. That is, if you want the credibility that comes with only stating the the most unavoidable consequences. You can still mention the other side effects, just dont expect to have credibility unless you include the disclaimer that those effects are either speculative, transitory, non-lethal, preventable and/or circumstancial.

    Many users have achieved levels of strengh and muscle mass far beyong their genetic (drug free) potential. So the argument that anabolic steroids are just a short cut is erroneous. Furthermore, the alleged or percieved benefits that the drugs offer are seen only in direct proportion to how hard the user works at his/her training and nutrition program. They are not a means by wich to be lazy, nor are they a means by wich to merely reach ones potential faster. They are a means to SUPERSCEDE the natural potential of the user.

    And for future referance, no self respecting user of anabolic steroids will ever be heard using the term "Gym candy", "pumpers", "stackers", "A's", "balls", or "bulls". Just FWI. And only outsiders call them roids. That just sounds to much like "hemroids".

    Have a nice day..............(a concerned citizen.)

  19. Eh? What do you think? Huh?
    Not to shabby, eh?
    Awww c'mon give it up for your boy.
    Show me some love.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Ronin13
    I would like to hear this if you don't mind posting it.
    Oh yeah, Ricks seminar.
    I'll go find it after I grab something to eat here.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by UnicronSpawn
    Eh? What do you think? Huh?
    Not to shabby, eh?
    Awww c'mon give it up for your boy.
    Show me some love.
    Plus a little something for your effort.

  22. Thank you my friend.

  23. go to the following link and click on the icon:

    > PUMPED: A Truth-enhancing Seminar on Steroid Use and the Law [MP3]

    http://www.drugpolicy.org/drugbydrug/steroids/

  24. You guys might want to browse around that site. I learned a few things about other drugs on there.
    Apparently AAS arent the only drugs that media propaganda has achieved an exaggerated public perception of.

  25. Mr. Moore, I would like to preface my comments by stating that as of this moment I have yet to injest anabolic steroids. However, that does not preclude me from realizing the complete journalistic irresponsiblity you displayed by propagating such unsubstantiated claims as those found in your article. The section of your article to which I take most offense, and find the most irresponsible is the following excerpt:

    "have many known side effects,including cancer, liver damage, limb loss, heart disease/heart attack, baldness, HIV/AIDS, pain/difficulty urinating, and stunted growth in adolescents." (pg.1)

    First, I would like to address the most irresponsible and unfounded claims of limb loss, HIV/AIDS, and cancer. In terms of the "known side effect" (1) of causing cancer, there is not one conclusive study directly linking the use of any anabolic steroid to cancer. In fact, there is not one study linking anabolic steroids directly to the death of any individual as a result of the physiological response they have in the human body. I refer you to the National Institute of Health's Report On Anabolic Steroids where it is stated, "Most data on the long-term effects of anabolic steroids on humans come from case reports rather than formal epidemiological studies.From the case reports, the incidence of life-threatening effects appears to be low" (pg.7). As it pertains to "limb loss" and "HIV/AIDS" I will admit that the risk of abscess and infection does exist, but no more than in any other situation where injection occurs. The National Institute of Health, New England Journal of Medicine, American Medical Association, etc, show absolutely no direct correlation between the physiological effect of anabolic steroids and HIV/AIDS or limb loss. This is something you clearly fail to mention and it is unfortunate you felt the need to imply this direct link in your article.

    Continuing, you purport that anabolic steroids cause "liver damage" and by failing to distinguish the different classes of steroids you are once again misleading. There are a class of steroids known as 17-alpha-alkylated steroids, known as such because they include a methyl group, alpha positioned at the 17th carbon. This methyl group allows the hormone to survive the first pass of the liver, and undeniably causes damage of the liver and lipid profiles. However, injectable steroids do not cause significant damage to liver and/or lipid profiles, and are the preferred choice of the responsible more experienced user.

    The only portion of your article which has it's base in substantiated fact is when you claim that steroids may cause "heart disease/heart attack" although once again in a very misleading manner. The risk of cardiovascular damage exists in the form of steroid's effects on the HDL/LDL cholesterol ratio. However, this ratio is affected to the same degree, if not more so by way of compounded abuse, by the horrid dietary habits practiced by the average American citizen. To imply the direct one-to-one ratio of anabolic steroids to this, or any of the other adverse side-effects you mentioned shows a complete lack of journalistic maturitry and integrity on your part.

    In this article Mr.Moore you displayed your unwillingness to research a topic before rehashing the same unfortunate misconceptions held by the average individual. As a current student of journalism I find it disconcerting to find yet another article based on unsubstantiated claims and bias opinion, void of any real thought or journalistic integrity. I challenge you to break the mould of stigmatized thought and biased opinion and instead form your own opinions based on credible fact.

    I wrote this as well..
    I thought he was the journalist..Anyway, he got my opinion.

  26. Unicron spawn, do i have your permission to send that as the main portion of my email to Mr. Moore? Very well written. i couldnt have said it better myself.

    reps for you my friend.

  27. This is precisely the kind of material i am looking for. thanks for another segment mulletsoldier.

    ill wait another day to send the email if anyone else wants to get their thoughts into the mix.

    Edit: The anaminds powers that be say i must spread the love, sorry mulletsoldier and unicronspawn.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by jomi822
    This is precisely the kind of material i am looking for. thanks for another segment mulletsoldier.

    ill wait another day to send the email if anyone else wants to get their thoughts into the mix.
    I already sent that to the guy, but apparently I didn't send it to the journalist.

  29. Yes, you may send my letter, but might want to edit out the IE: at the begining, and the precluding sentence. Nevermind, I'll just edit the post.

  30. I know how they concluded the limb loss side effect:

    If you get an infection due to not using sterile injection technique, or a non-sterile product and do not treat the infection, it can result in having to have the limb amputated.
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