Tribulus Inneffective?

LakeMountD · 06-03-2006, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Siznoyton

Testosterone isn't the only thing that is linked to libido.

Anecdotal evidence supports trib as somewhat beneficial for some users.

Scientific data doesn't really support a test increase from Trib.

Its relatively cheap though, so you can take it and evaluate for yourself.

To me, its really pointless, with so MANY better, proven options out there for everything trib is supposed to do.

And lest we forget, we wouldn't even be considering trib (which has been around FOREVER) if prohormones weren't banned.

Yeah there are a few studies out there linking trib to increased aphrodesiac behavior in rats. I notice it as well.

Again I will reiterrate these things should be kept for PCT when our levels of these things are in the dirt.

**smeton_yea** · 07-15-2006, 10:09 AM

i took biotest tribex 2 years ago and gained 15 lbs on bench and gained a few lbs close to five i think(its been so long) now i hear only a slect few brands work and if i remember correctly avatia slavia(sp) has to used in conjunction with it for it to free up testostrone levels.

theres a new supplement over at nutra plant called tribex Gold , has anyone truyed it?

the thing is about tribulus it doesnt cause dht conversion , which many ph/ps/ anabolics do. im thinking of using it for while im currently cutting, but have some reseatrch do to before i buy any. please keep the info coming ill be on the lookout

Mulletsoldier · 07-16-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by smeton_yea

i took biotest tribex 2 years ago and gained 15 lbs on bench and gained a few lbs close to five i think(its been so long) now i hear only a slect few brands work and if i remember correctly avatia slavia(sp) has to used in conjunction with it for it to free up testostrone levels.

theres a new supplement over at nutra plant called tribex Gold , has anyone truyed it?

the thing is about tribulus it doesnt cause dht conversion , which many ph/ps/ anabolics do. im thinking of using it for while im currently cutting, but have some reseatrch do to before i buy any. please keep the info coming ill be on the lookout

Honestly Smeton, I don't have too much additional info that says anything different from the above studies. That Trib shows really no androgenic qualities, but will stimulate the libido through seperate pathways. If you come up with anything be sure to post it here

200wannabe · 07-17-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Also, Maca has been proven to raise Test and LH in a bunch of studies I've read, so it is definitely legit.

be interested in seeing those studies, could you post them up please?

Mulletsoldier · 07-17-2006, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 200wannabe

be interested in seeing those studies, could you post them up please?

For sure, I'll rummage through my saved ones and see if I can bring it up.

Gokmog · 07-23-2006, 05:56 PM

great thread. so i had PF's "Unleashed" and DS's "Activate". i also recently got bulk avena sativa and maca root powders. i'm not looking to go overboard on the stuff, mostly for experimentation. but those are SHBG reducers and LH releasers, right?

the trib used as an aphrodisiac and energizer. i would say it can increase my endurance, thought subtle. it does make my stomach hungrier, which partially explains why others have stomach complaints from it. it can make me a little irritated. so there has to be something of activity in the brain, somehow.

i would say the rhodiola is king of adaptogens at this point, for endurance. better for mood than trib, too. maca i don't have enough experience with. rhodiola is also thought of as an anticarcinogen. i think i'll stick with the avena sativa, rhodiola rosea, and maca. the AnabolX+ i have still makes me nice and hungry and seems to add to my energy very nicely. i have no idea about how effective the seaweed cystoseira canariensis (myostatin inhibitor) is.

BioHazzard · 07-26-2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

For sure, I'll rummage through my saved ones and see if I can bring it up.

bump for update... I am really curious as to what studies that show Maca improves LH, test etc. On the contrary, I have read research showing that Maca improves sperm parameters with NO effect on LH, test etc.

LakeMountD · 07-26-2006, 11:57 PM

Effect of Lepidium meyenii (Maca), a root with aphrodisiac and fertility-enhancing properties, on serum reproductive hormone levels in adult healthy men
GF Gonzales, A Cordova, K Vega, A Chung, A Villena, and C Gonez

Lepidium meyenii (Maca) is a Peruvian hypocotyl that grows exclusively between 4000 and 4500 m in the central Andes. Maca is traditionally employed in the Andean region for its supposed aphrodisiac and/or fertility-enhancing properties. This study was a 12-week double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized, parallel trial in which active treatment with different doses of Maca Gelatinizada was compared with a placebo. The study aimed to test the hypothesis that Maca has no effect on serum reproductive hormone levels in apparently healthy men when administered in doses used for aphrodisiac and/or fertility-enhancing properties. Men aged between 21 and 56 Years received 1500 mg or 3000 mg Maca. Serum levels of luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, prolactin, 17-alpha hydroxyprogesterone, testosterone and 17-beta estradiol were measured before and at 2, 4, 8 and 12 weeks of treatment with placebo or Maca (1.5 g or 3.0 g per day). Data showed that compared with placebo Maca had no effect on any of the hormones studied nor did the hormones show any changes over time. Multiple regression analysis showed that serum testosterone levels were not affected by treatment with Maca at any of the times studied (P, not significant). In conclusion, treatment with Maca does not affect serum reproductive hormone levels.

Lepidium meyenii (Maca) improved semen parameters in adult men
Abstract

Aim: The present study was designed to determine the effect of a 4 month oral treatment with tablets of Lepidium meyenii (Maca) on seminal analysis in nine adult normal men aged 24-44 years old. Methods: Nine men received tablets of Maca (1500 or 3000 mg/day) for 4 months. Seminal analysis was performed according to guidelines of the World Health Organization (WHO). Serum luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), prolactin (PRL), testosterone (T) and estradiol (E2) were measured before and after treatment. Results: Treatment with Maca resulted in increased seminal volume, sperm count per ejaculum, motile sperm count, and sperm motility. Serum hormone levels were not modified with Maca treatment. Increase of sperm count was not related to dose of Maca. Conclusion: Maca improved sperm production and sperm motility by mechanisms not related to LH, FSH, PRL, T and E2.

**yeahright** · 07-27-2006, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LakeMountD

Effect of Lepidium meyenii (Maca), a root with aphrodisiac and fertility-enhancing properties, on serum reproductive hormone levels in adult healthy men
GF Gonzales, A Cordova, K Vega, A Chung, A Villena, and C Gonez

Lepidium meyenii (Maca) is a Peruvian hypocotyl that grows exclusively between 4000 and 4500 m in the central Andes. Maca is traditionally employed in the Andean region for its supposed aphrodisiac and/or fertility-enhancing properties. This study was a 12-week double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized, parallel trial in which active treatment with different doses of Maca Gelatinizada was compared with a placebo. The study aimed to test the hypothesis that Maca has no effect on serum reproductive hormone levels in apparently healthy men when administered in doses used for aphrodisiac and/or fertility-enhancing properties. Men aged between 21 and 56 Years received 1500 mg or 3000 mg Maca. Serum levels of luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone, prolactin, 17-alpha hydroxyprogesterone, testosterone and 17-beta estradiol were measured before and at 2, 4, 8 and 12 weeks of treatment with placebo or Maca (1.5 g or 3.0 g per day). Data showed that compared with placebo Maca had no effect on any of the hormones studied nor did the hormones show any changes over time. Multiple regression analysis showed that serum testosterone levels were not affected by treatment with Maca at any of the times studied (P, not significant). In conclusion, treatment with Maca does not affect serum reproductive hormone levels.

Lepidium meyenii (Maca) improved semen parameters in adult men
Abstract

Aim: The present study was designed to determine the effect of a 4 month oral treatment with tablets of Lepidium meyenii (Maca) on seminal analysis in nine adult normal men aged 24-44 years old. Methods: Nine men received tablets of Maca (1500 or 3000 mg/day) for 4 months. Seminal analysis was performed according to guidelines of the World Health Organization (WHO). Serum luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle stimulating hormone (FSH), prolactin (PRL), testosterone (T) and estradiol (E2) were measured before and after treatment. Results: Treatment with Maca resulted in increased seminal volume, sperm count per ejaculum, motile sperm count, and sperm motility. Serum hormone levels were not modified with Maca treatment. Increase of sperm count was not related to dose of Maca. Conclusion: Maca improved sperm production and sperm motility by mechanisms not related to LH, FSH, PRL, T and E2.

Any idea of what the mechanism of action is?

Mulletsoldier · 07-27-2006, 01:42 AM

Hmm..Obviously it wasn't Maca. I could have sworn in my research I came across a few studies stating one of the Saponins actually did have an effect on serum Test levels.

Ripped1 · 07-27-2006, 10:32 AM

I have not taken trib for years now, but I used to stack it back in the day with 19 nor, DHea,and creatin. Provided some serios strehght and a great libido. If the wind blew I was hard

**smeton_yea** · 07-28-2006, 03:34 AM

avtena salvia(spelling) is supposed to be the ingrident in the old biotest brand that increased total T levels the most.

trib work but in conjunctionw ith avta alvia it was really supposed to work.- thats what i read concernign the old biotest trib

now the Biotest(i think its the same brand ) GOLD doesnt have avta salvia many people are saying they dont understand how it works if it doesnt have avta salvia in it. o avta salva is supposed to be nice.

excuse the spelling please=)

Gokmog · 07-28-2006, 04:18 PM

do you mean avena sativa? look: A V E N A S A T I V A

i took two 1/4 teaspoons spread throughout the day, the first day i experimented with it. man.. i think i felt the after-effects two days after that. not like an ATD where it is immediate and dramatic, but it builds and it does what it is supposed to do. no excessive oiliness or anger, like ATD. but libido was much higher. i think i may have gained a pound or two and felt pumped. what the hell is in that stuff?

i think i'll try an activate + atd, activate + 6-OXO, bulk avena + atd, bulk avena + 6-OXO. or something. that AnabolX Plus has still impressed me. if only i still had my rat...

**yeahright** · 07-28-2006, 06:10 PM

Effect of Lepidium meyenii (MACA) on sexual desire and its absent relationship with serum testosterone levels in adult healthy men.

Gonzales GF, Cordova A, Vega K, Chung A, Villena A, Gonez C, Castillo S.
Instituto de Investigaciones de la Altura, Universidad Peruana Cayetano Heredia, Lima, Peru. iiad@upch.edu.pe

This study was a 12-week double blind placebo-controlled, randomized, parallel trial in which active treatment with different doses of Maca Gelatinizada was compared with placebo. The study aimed to demonstrate if effect of Maca on subjective report of sexual desire was because of effect on mood or serum testosterone levels. Men aged 21-56 years received Maca in one of two doses: 1,500 mg or 3,000 mg or placebo. Self-perception on sexual desire, score for Hamilton test for depression, and Hamilton test for anxiety were measured at 4, 8 and 12 weeks of treatment. An improvement in sexual desire was observed with Maca since 8 weeks of treatment. Serum testosterone and oestradiol levels were not different in men treated with Maca and in those treated with placebo (P:NS). Logistic regression analysis showed that Maca has an independent effect on sexual desire at 8 and 12 weeks of treatment, and this effect is not because of changes in either Hamilton scores for depression or anxiety or serum testosterone and oestradiol levels. In conclusion, treatment with Maca improved sexual desire.

PMID: 12472620 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

juggernaut333 · 08-02-2006, 08:32 PM

well of course regardless of it having any test boosting props
trib,longjack,maca all do seem to have a very real effect on libido and performance so thats what counts.

boing!