Ergopharm AMP

darius · 05-08-2006, 07:24 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...050700913.html

"An Illinois chemist awaiting sentencing for his role in the biggest steroid scandal in U.S. history has for months been involved in marketing a dietary supplement containing a little-known amphetamine-like substance that would be undetectable in current sports drug tests, according to an analysis of the product for The Post."

methusaleh · 05-08-2006, 07:54 AM

Just greeeeeeeeat! Even before "that substance" in AMP is widely available, the cat's out of the bag...

xtraflossy · 05-08-2006, 08:32 AM

I dont know about the rest of you, but this is REALLY starting to piss me off!

I mean,.. look. (last words of the artical)
"The 1944 patent states that methylhexaneamine has fewer side effects than amphetamines and ephedrine, but the FDA has not evaluated it.

"This stuff ought not be out there," Catlin said. "It's dangerous material."
So- they mention many times that ephedrine was banned- never stating that the bann on ephedra was lifted.
Not only can I purchas ephedrine HCL at many gas stations, bnut the is is SUPOSED TO BE SAFER!!

So- LETS bring it down!!

Also- I freakn HATE how that media almakes makes it seem like these companies are tring to pull a fast one on "The industry",... saying that it is undetectable. So what!! Most of us DONT COMPETE in any professional sport.
Now, I know that many athelets use these chems, but I also know many athletes also use Known illegal substances as well. I think the Testing folks need to get off their lazy ass and figure out (do some reasearch as oppesed to letting the media do it for them, and put the negative swing on things) to test for themselves!

IF you took away the use in competitive sports, you would not have a story.
Its just another addition to the wave of paranoia caused by the focous of the media on the negative-
You dont hear the public protesting that the news companies only broadcast voilence, as entertainment, and sex as obsinity!
I quit watching the news because I dont need to hear this guy was shot, this one murdered, this girl kidnapped, this stuff will kill ya....
It's like watching the same soap opera over and over.

Sorry to go on and on,.. but its Monday, and it's raining here in VA. Makes me a little moody

Jameson · 05-08-2006, 08:53 AM

Man, the Post, and Amy Shipley in particular, do seem to be on a self-appointed crusade don't they? Of course, their quest is hopeless. Locking up BK and PA and whoever else does nothing to change the fact that athletes will always be looking for competitive advantages and as long as there is a demand someone somewhere will find a way to create a supply. Simple economics and human nature...

**raider1** · 05-08-2006, 09:41 AM

I remember about a month and half ago some a--hole came on another board and started harping to PA about what he found out what was in AMP ..And PA went off on him and most of everyone else on the board told him to shut up ..He kept harping on about how proud he was to find out what was in AMP and how he let the cat out of the bag.. What a tool...

**Iron Warrior** · 05-08-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jameson

Man, the Post, and Amy Shipley in particular, do seem to be on a self-appointed crusade don't they? Of course, their quest is hopeless. Locking up BK and PA and whoever else does nothing to change the fact that athletes will always be looking for competitive advantages and as long as there is a demand someone somewhere will find a way to create a supply. Simple economics and human nature...

these people seem to forget that these substances will never go away as long as we want to improve our performance and physique. It's not like we will forget about them if they get banned.

**jmh80** · 05-08-2006, 01:27 PM

Damnit. This stuff is really starting to piss me off.

Now - I'm gonna have to go buy a case load of Amp because I love it so much.

*******s!

Sam - you wanna make a deal for a case of Amp?

Achilles13 · 05-08-2006, 03:23 PM

It's really raining **** on PA right now. I'm with you JMH, i'll probably have to buy a case before they ban the stuff.

NiteHawk · 05-08-2006, 03:35 PM

This is aggravating. The stuff works. Isnt that why we buy a supplement because it works?? No one is going to buy it if it doesnt work. I dont get the reasoning behind these people.

I hope they leave it alone. There are a lot worse things to be focusing on then a pre-workout supplement.

**raider1** · 05-08-2006, 03:47 PM

I am with you NightHawk.... AMP works for me the best out all the stuff out there right now.. it's so frustrating to see this crap ...

Achilles13 · 05-08-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by NiteHawk

This is aggravating. The stuff works. Isnt that why we buy a supplement because it works?? No one is going to buy it if it doesnt work. I dont get the reasoning behind these people.

I hope they leave it alone. There are a lot worse things to be focusing on then a pre-workout supplement.

True that. You never hear about them saying anything is harmful in MuscleTech products and I know they have more advertising than any supp out there. Now why is that?

**jmh80** · 05-08-2006, 04:56 PM

Good one Achillies.

Let those Wash. Post bastards go test LEUKIC or GAKIC and tell us that it doesn't work!

Or how about all that Myo-Zap crap???
I was out $80 because some retard at GNC told me that crap worked. All it did was lighten my wallet.

Why don't they go and "expose" supplement companies that sell sh*tty products that don't work?

methusaleh · 05-08-2006, 06:13 PM

QUOTE: "True that. You never hear about them saying anything is harmful in MuscleTech products and I know they have more advertising than any supp out there. Now why is that?"

Achilles, my friend, you may have just stumbled upon something that's never even occurred to me. What if the supplement industry is just as corrupt as mainstream medicine? I mean, in my opinion, there is no way that "big pharma" gets some of their drugs approved for release without paying off someone, somewhere. I don't know if it's the FDA being in bed with the AMA (again, I am not giving facts, just stating my suspicions), the companies themselves slipping money to the FDA to look the other way, or what.

What if Muscletech is so wealthy that they can afford to keep controversy about their products quiet? Or what if they are being controlled/assisted by one of the "big pharma" companies behind the scenes? Folks, we may laugh at their ads, but they have got to be making lots of dough from someone, how else could they afford multiple-page, full-color ads, in several different mags every month? Not to mention the occasional Hydroxycut TV commercial.

But...sometimes the bigger they are, the harder they fall. How many of you remember when Weider and Cybergenics were HUGE? When I was first into BB I was seeing the end of the era of those companies, but still their stuff was everywhere. What about EAS? I think their glory days are over, but go back 7 years or so and they were pushing their overpriced (in my opinion) stuff down everyone's throats with marketing. I don't see half as much consumer interest in EAS products anymore.

OK I'll stop before I write a book...y'all get my point, I'm sure...

leroy · 05-08-2006, 10:48 PM

which has made you mad or did mucletech help

thesinner · 05-08-2006, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jmh80

Why don't they go and "expose" supplement companies that sell sh*tty products that don't work?

True that. Seems like the feds want us to buy garbage that doesn't work.

DazzlinJack · 05-10-2006, 01:03 PM

What're the chances the FDA will actually ban AMP? It took them a great while to get at ephedra and now the hcl is okay to use. Maybe there should be a geranamine HCL!

rugger48 · 05-12-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by methusaleh

QUOTE: "True that. You never hear about them saying anything is harmful in MuscleTech products and I know they have more advertising than any supp out there. Now why is that?"

Achilles, my friend, you may have just stumbled upon something that's never even occurred to me. What if the supplement industry is just as corrupt as mainstream medicine? I mean, in my opinion, there is no way that "big pharma" gets some of their drugs approved for release without paying off someone, somewhere. I don't know if it's the FDA being in bed with the AMA (again, I am not giving facts, just stating my suspicions), the companies themselves slipping money to the FDA to look the other way, or what.

What if Muscletech is so wealthy that they can afford to keep controversy about their products quiet? Or what if they are being controlled/assisted by one of the "big pharma" companies behind the scenes? Folks, we may laugh at their ads, but they have got to be making lots of dough from someone, how else could they afford multiple-page, full-color ads, in several different mags every month? Not to mention the occasional Hydroxycut TV commercial.

But...sometimes the bigger they are, the harder they fall. How many of you remember when Weider and Cybergenics were HUGE? When I was first into BB I was seeing the end of the era of those companies, but still their stuff was everywhere. What about EAS? I think their glory days are over, but go back 7 years or so and they were pushing their overpriced (in my opinion) stuff down everyone's throats with marketing. I don't see half as much consumer interest in EAS products anymore.

OK I'll stop before I write a book...y'all get my point, I'm sure...

Thats almost exactly what it is. When the politicians are not getting their cut, what happens? Basically if their not getting theirs, than they decide we have to give the crying masses something.