Afgan Christian Faces Death Penalty:
- 03-27-2006, 04:48 PM
- 03-27-2006, 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by custom
Don`t read Deism to mean Theism.
03-27-2006, 11:29 PM
03-28-2006, 12:22 AM
I really can give a rats ass about a christian nation, I don't have any conviction of the sort.
However, I think its ridiculous of non-christians to think that there wasn't significant influence on the constitution by christianity. God, as the christians know him, is definitely "a part of" (not in writing per se) the constitution and the foundation of America as is christianity...it is our foundation and its ridiculous to think otherwise.
03-28-2006, 12:46 AM
Originally Posted by TheCrownedOne
T.J.,B.F., Paine and GW off the top of my head where Deist not Exclusive Monotheists... how many do you think knew GOD as the GAOTU?
The creator mentioned in the Dec. of Ind. was a Deist input not a theists
03-28-2006, 01:00 AM
03-28-2006, 03:44 PM
I don't see this supposed 'problem' with christians taking over. I'm no christian and I see the reverse happening. I see christianity, once a foundation of our nation, being removed. People don't like change.Originally Posted by EEmain
Christians in the modern west, IMO,have become VERY TOLERANT of other religions. Yes, according to them we may all be going to hell, but we're not being persecuted. They only wish for the same respect.
03-28-2006, 03:58 PM
A deist in a christian world. That means he probably just didnt' take the bible literally. Does't mean a whole lot, otherwise.Originally Posted by EEmain
Plus, the argument is the mention of God in founding documents and our founding fathers belief in a god. He may have been a diest, but his diest beliefs were probably largely influenced by Christianity. Highly doubtful that he believed in more than one entity.
Not that it should matter anyway...is a non-christian diest better than a christian? Will they make better decisiosn?
I really don't see what the argument is here.
If you want God separate from our founding fathers and documents, it should be any and all god(s), not just the christian God.
03-28-2006, 04:44 PM
Then you won`t mind a return to the Middleages then? Maybe the Spanish Inquisition would be to your liking.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
03-28-2006, 04:47 PM
God brings moral values to humanity. Theology brings Dogmatic rules and regulations and eventualy PERSECUTION!Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
03-28-2006, 04:58 PM
"For the Lord's sake accept the authority of every human institution, whether of the emperor as supreme, or of governors, as sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to praise those who do right." 1 Peter 2:13
"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resist authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."
Follow these and there wouldn`t be an "American Revolution"
03-28-2006, 05:03 PM
The founding fathers were students of the "European Enlightenment" and as such saw the persecution of the Puritans and the Quakers ect... by the church of England. Who b y the way broke away from the Roman church due to... you guessed it PERSECUTION!Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
03-28-2006, 05:20 PM
You're making no sense. You cannot relate the Christian of today to the christian of hundreds of years ago.Originally Posted by EEmain
I'm "here" and "now". Defining a group based of of ancestral decisions is quite unfair.
Trust me, i get irritated by the constant badgering, but I'd hardly say they persecute anybody--at least not as a whole.
03-28-2006, 05:24 PM
Man brought moral values to humanity. Man also brought theology to humanity. Its not a religion problem, or a god problem, its a people problem. Different religions will be different because of what people did/said/do/say, etc.Originally Posted by EEmain
03-28-2006, 05:28 PM
I'm not trying to justify the bible.Originally Posted by EEmain
And, if you're trying to demonize it, that quote is very 'weak' compared to other verses from other religious text.
i don't care to debate religious text, philosophy, etc.
I'm in there "here" and "now" of the actiosn of certain groups. Actions speak louder than words, and definitely much louder than a religious text does for an entire group.
03-28-2006, 05:29 PM
Yes...everybody knows that the roman catholic church has a horrendous "history". What does taht mean "today"? Not much...I still disagree wtih the church, but you cannot compare it to what is going on NOW.Originally Posted by EEmain
03-28-2006, 05:30 PM
03-28-2006, 05:31 PM
Research consipiracy theory and you've got my perspective.Originally Posted by EEmain
I understand that large institutions have shady dealings...they all do. And yes, I'm sure the RC church would love to dominate the world again. but, what does that mean about the "people" who define christianity? nothing. their actiosn define them. so far, they're very tolerant here iand NOW.
03-28-2006, 05:35 PM
03-28-2006, 05:42 PM
The Church of England was modeled after the Roman Catholic Church. It was only formed because of royal disagreement with the church (the whore king wanted a divorce). They were almost the same person in a different suit.
03-28-2006, 06:06 PM
There were 2 breaks not just 1. And the 1st may have started about the divorce but ended with the pillage of the Church.Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
03-28-2006, 06:07 PM
03-28-2006, 10:42 PM
Just to clarify my position so those that I care about here that consider themselves Christians don`t feel insulted.
I do not Demonize Christianity or Christians or the Bible. I couldn`t. Because although I walk a Buddhist path the teachings of Jesus are near and dear to me. There are leaps of faith that I am unwilling at this time to take to be called simply Christian.
However there has been a movement that started a long time ago to reclaim the USA as the "Dominion of Christ"*.
Call me crazy or a nut, it`s been done before, but I do see too many things that are more than coincidence. And after reading many of the writings of the leaders of these movements I sincerly hope to be proved a wacko along with a lot of other extremely knowledgeable folks.
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