[Grunt76]

Originally Posted by msclbldrguy

Agreed that CT himself is the only one who knows for sure. But the girl was found in the trunk of his burning car....then they headed for Boston. told everyone where they were going and consulted "an associate" in Boston to help them liquidate their assets. Then they planned to leave the country. According to the link Natedogg posted authorities think they were a little threesome and that was the motive.

I'm no police officer or lawyer but all that sounds pretty incriminating to me. It will be real interesting to see how this plays out.

I figure somehow or other the media will link this to aas. Saddest part of all is the destryoed life of the woman who was murdered...can't imagine what her family is going thru right now.

And if someone really, really hates CT and his assistant, isn't that a perfect way to set him up? Like, for example, a guy who got turned down repeatedly by the assistant, jealous of CT... I've heard of crazier things happening in Vegas...

[msclbldrguy]

Originally Posted by Grunt76

And if someone really, really hates CT and his assistant, isn't that a perfect way to set him up? Like, for example, a guy who got turned down repeatedly by the assistant, jealous of CT... I've heard of crazier things happening in Vegas...

That's a possibility but so far no evidence has surfaced suggesting that. Plus why were they wanting to leave the country after liquidating their assets?

Maybe they were scared...One thing's for sure we don't know all the evidence yet...jus sayin that what they have so far looks pretty suspicious.

Another thing to consider is that the news media likes to sensationalize everything....

[Nabeshin]

No, he's not guilty at all. I mean, yeah, the strangled body of his live-in personal assistant --- a woman he has confessed to having an affair with --- was found in the trunk of his burning car --- which he neglected to report as missing, in fact, telling authorities when questioned that James had stolen the car.

Granted, y'know, Ryan told Polk that she found James dead in their house of a drug overdose --- which conflicts with the coroners proclamation of asphyxiation, and makes one wonder how she could have stolen a car, or why should would be in the house she was just evicted from, and supposedly displaced to a convenience store --- and sure, obscene quantities of lighter fluid were purchased with Ryan's credit card at 0330 on Dec 14, which happens to be the day the burning car was found, which also happens to be one day after James was evicted.

And while it's true that Ryan and Titus gave conflicting testimony regarding which car was used to drive James to the convenience store on the day of her eviction, and that there was an unidentified second party when James called her mom from a KFC --- which, I submit, is not a convenience store --- and phone records indicate Titus called Gross to help him in some mysterious way which involved Gross --- per his confession --- meeting Titus in his Jaguar --- the one that was stolen, per Titus' account --- at the very location it would be burned, with a canister of gasoline.

And, I mean, Titus and Kelly did flee the state, and change their appearance, and confide in witnesses that they would attempt to liquidate their assets and flee the country, and a young woman is now strangled and dead, and regardless of guilt, these monsters did nothing to bring solace to an assuredly grieving mothers heart --- because her daughter won't be coming home for christmas --- nor did anything to facilitate bringing justice, or at least closure, to her demise.

Sure. All that stuff is true. But to suspect that Ryan and Titus are guilty of foul play --- well, that's pushing it.

Free Tookie. Titus! I meant Titus. Free Titus.

[anabolicrhino]

Originally Posted by Nabeshin

No, he's not guilty at all. I mean, yeah, the strangled body of his live-in personal assistant --- a woman he has confessed to having an affair with --- was found in the trunk of his burning car --- which he neglected to report as missing, in fact, telling authorities when questioned that James had stolen the car.

Granted, y'know, Ryan told Polk that she found James dead in their house of a drug overdose --- which conflicts with the coroners proclamation of asphyxiation, and makes one wonder how she could have stolen a car, or why should would be in the house she was just evicted from, and supposedly displaced to a convenience store --- and sure, obscene quantities of lighter fluid were purchased with Ryan's credit card at 0330 on Dec 14, which happens to be the day the burning car was found, which also happens to be one day after James was evicted.

And while it's true that Ryan and Titus gave conflicting testimony regarding which car was used to drive James to the convenience store on the day of her eviction, and that there was an unidentified second party when James called her mom from a KFC --- which, I submit, is not a convenience store --- and phone records indicate Titus called Gross to help him in some mysterious way which involved Gross --- per his confession --- meeting Titus in his Jaguar --- the one that was stolen, per Titus' account --- at the very location it would be burned, with a canister of gasoline.

And, I mean, Titus and Kelly did flee the state, and change their appearance, and confide in witnesses that they would attempt to liquidate their assets and flee the country, and a young woman is now strangled and dead, and regardless of guilt, these monsters did nothing to bring solace to an assuredly grieving mothers heart --- because her daughter won't be coming home for christmas --- nor did anything to facilitate bringing justice, or at least closure, to her demise.

Sure. All that stuff is true. But to suspect that Ryan and Titus are guilty of foul play --- well, that's pushing it.

Free Tookie. Titus! I meant Titus. Free Titus.

Wow! right from Court TV straight to THe "movie of the week" must see tv!

[SJA]

I can't wait to see the Forensic Files episode on this case

[anabolicrhino]

Originally Posted by SJA

I can't wait to see the Forensic Files episode on this case

This reads like "what not to do if you want to get away with murder"-Why not just leave his wallet and ID at the crime scene? How about a suicide note?

[LCSULLA]

Originally Posted by bigBOZ

We had Craig and Kelly out for one of the shows we sponsored and they BOTH were great. Down to Earth, friendly and everyone loved them. Just because you hear something about someone, do not be so quick to judge until you meet them for yourself!!! Every time I see them at the USA's or Olympia, they are great to me. Just my experience....

And wait to see what the facts are first before throwing out allegations. You, nor any of us, know the whole story yet...then make your judgements!

Regardless of what you feel you know about them, it is a sad situation and unfortunate for our sport!!

I guess thats me then. **** em. Pricks!

[rocckky]

As sad and pathetic anything like this is the 'sport' of bodybuilding is equally as sad and pathetic since it is merely a contest of drug ingestion producing deformed bodies...then misleading generations of young dopes into similar lifestyles or lying to them that supplements are remotely accountable for their success.
No I'm not jealous....I'm a former national caliber athlete coach and weightlifting/fitness lover to this day.
Bodybuilding as a sport is a joke,unhealthy as hell, and a scam.
I have no problem with this incidents association with it.

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by rocckky

As sad and pathetic anything like this is the 'sport' of bodybuilding is equally as sad and pathetic since it is merely a contest of drug ingestion producing deformed bodies...then misleading generations of young dopes into similar lifestyles or lying to them that supplements are remotely accountable for their success.
No I'm not jealous....I'm a former national caliber athlete coach and weightlifting/fitness lover to this day.
Bodybuilding as a sport is a joke,unhealthy as hell, and a scam.
I have no problem with this incidents association with it.

Well you see, this was not "associated" with bodybuilding. A bodybuilder just happened to do something horrible. Something that is quite a bit more common amongst football players.

Being a former national caliber athletic coach, you must be very proud of the football players who are alwasy getting arrested, and the baseball players with their coke-problems.

I imagine 320lb fatass linemen on coke are more healthy than bodybuilders on a little bit of Test?

you're off topic and on the wrong board.

[ryano]

Originally Posted by LCSULLA

I guess thats me then. **** em. Pricks!

Ted Bundy was a birthday clown!

Not comparing them to CT and KR..Just wanted to mention that even the most personable and seemingly normal people are capable of horrible things.

[ryano]

Here found this site

http://www.freecraigtitus.com/

Kind of cheesy I think the site might be trying to profit off of all this BS
but there is alot of info in on place.

[anabolicrhino]

Originally Posted by rocckky

As sad and pathetic anything like this is the 'sport' of bodybuilding is equally as sad and pathetic since it is merely a contest of drug ingestion producing deformed bodies...then misleading generations of young dopes into similar lifestyles or lying to them that supplements are remotely accountable for their success.
No I'm not jealous....I'm a former national caliber athlete coach and weightlifting/fitness lover to this day.
Bodybuilding as a sport is a joke,unhealthy as hell, and a scam.
I have no problem with this incidents association with it.

Try thinking of bodybuilding as a synonym for fitness conscious people from all walks of life.Take a deep breath. Now imagine that a "bodybuilding show" is just like a dog show..with out the best of breed catagory...Now imagine the diffence between two guys having a catch in their parents back yard as compared to Pitching in the World Series...Alot of things happen to a person along the way many sacrifices and committments as well as corruptions face a man during his quest for power,but I would still like to "throw the ball around "without being condemned as being complicit with murders.So in this case don't hate the game hate the players.

[Matthew D]

No need for the name calling Kwychemyd00 the man was just expressing an opinion..

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Well you see Mr. Dildo, this was not "associated" with bodybuilding. A bodybuilder just happened to do something horrible. Something that is quite a bit more common amongst football players.

Being a former national caliber athletic coach, you must be very proud of the football players who are alwasy getting arrested, and the baseball players with their coke-problems.

I imagine 320lb fatass linemen on coke are more healthy than bodybuilders on a little bit of Test?

you're a joke, an idiot, and not to mention you're off topic and on the wrong board.

[Rocky82]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Well you see Mr. Dildo, this was not "associated" with bodybuilding. A bodybuilder just happened to do something horrible. Something that is quite a bit more common amongst football players.

Being a former national caliber athletic coach, you must be very proud of the football players who are alwasy getting arrested, and the baseball players with their coke-problems.

I imagine 320lb fatass linemen on coke are more healthy than bodybuilders on a little bit of Test?

you're a joke, an idiot, and not to mention you're off topic and on the wrong board.

I agree with you bud but dont put yourself at risk of being banned coming back at a comment like that. You're a valualbe part of this board and i think we all know the truth behind the statements of a frustrated 51 y.o. ex "national caliber athlete" aka some powerlifting fatass that was maybe as strong as the bodybuilders he was jealous of but looked like a pile of ****.

[kwyckemynd00]

Sorry, my bad...I was a bit frustrated at the time...my apologies.

[SJA]

Feel the love in here
I think that RyanO hit it on the head. There are birthday clowns in all walks of life....could be a doctor, homeless person, Priest or a bodybuilder. You can spin it anyway that you like....society just also happens to have people who spin it for public viewing and what sells is controversy....and so it begins

[jarhead]

Originally Posted by rocckky

As sad and pathetic anything like this is the 'sport' of bodybuilding is equally as sad and pathetic since it is merely a contest of drug ingestion producing deformed bodies...then misleading generations of young dopes into similar lifestyles or lying to them that supplements are remotely accountable for their success.
No I'm not jealous....I'm a former national caliber athlete coach and weightlifting/fitness lover to this day.
Bodybuilding as a sport is a joke,unhealthy as hell, and a scam.
I have no problem with this incidents association with it.

Wow SOMEBODY got sand kicked in their face and DIDN't call Charles Atlas. Sorry, I gotta stick up for bodybuilding here....
the supplement comment- Yes, bodybuilders endorse supplements. But you know what- I've owned a number of pairs of Air Jordans, yet I'll never dunk a basketball. In fact I suck at it. Do I blame Jordan for endorsing the shoes? The same can be apllied to any sporting equipment or apparrel endorsed by any "national caliber athelete."
The bodybuilding lifestyle and competing are 2 different things. The lifestyle is intended to be healthy. Competing...not so much. But I played football for years(a " national caliber sport"), damn sure wasn't a healthy lifestyle by any means.
the merely drug ingestion produced deformed bodies comment- How many 260 pound linebackers running sub 4.5 40's would we have without roids? And btw if you knew anything about bodybuilding, you would know it's NOT just merely taking drugs, or else I'd look like ronnie coleman, dorian,.. yadda yadda yadda...
The misleading generations of kids comment- bodybuilding is a niche sport with a tiny following compared to a mainstream sport like football. I doubt entire generations of kids are influenced by it. On the flipside, how many kids are duped into dedicating their lives to football, bball, baseball, etc., without ever being told that only a small percentage will ever make pro? And those atheletes have a Huge influence on kids. Guys like Kobe, Cansucco, Artest, O.J.(ok that one's not fair), ....you get my point.

Lastly- the fact that these murders are associated with ANYTHING other than the scumbag who did it, is a shame, and typical of the media.

Hate bodybuilding if you want to, you're entitled to your opinion, but at least get your facts straight and don't act like other sports aren't guilty of the same **** you say about bodybuilding.