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  1. We've got alot of young guys on here that are pretty knowledgable and know exactly what we are doing to their bodies. I consider myself one of them. Unfortunately the ratio for stupid/not stupid is very much offset. And in a place where the majority rule, we are all poured into the same cup whether we would like to be or not.[/QUOTE]





    Kind of the same topic...

    Most kids my age are lazy also. Not to many push themselves to the limit. When they are not pleased with there results, some of them take say 40g (yes, a kid at my school did this once) of creatine, and a few start roids. Supplements dont lead you down the road to steroid use as a kid, lack of work ethic does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darius
    We've got alot of young guys on here that are pretty knowledgable and know exactly what we are doing to their bodies. I consider myself one of them. Unfortunately the ratio for stupid/not stupid is very much offset. And in a place where the majority rule, we are all poured into the same cup whether we would like to be or not.





    Kind of the same topic...

    Most kids my age are lazy also. Not to many push themselves to the limit. When they are not pleased with there results, some of them take say 40g (yes, a kid at my school did this once) of creatine, and a few start roids. Supplements dont lead you down the road to steroid use as a kid, lack of work ethic does.
    We all want the easy way out. 98% of us would take the "easy way" if there were no difference at all between the two (no health problems, etc), except one was faster. However, thats not how it is with steroids/bodybuilding cause the body doesn't like the "easy way" compared to the natural way. We all know steroids can be pretty safe when used correctly and moderately, but nothing is safer than being natural. It's a balance, like anything, but most of us here are knowledgable enough to make wise choices concerning the use of steroids and our able to control ourselves based on what we know. We see that fine line, and unfortunately the uneducated do not. That is when problems occur.

    Being a teenager not too long ago, I know first hand how hard it is with all these choices. Every year is getting more and more worse, and it almost seems tragic to bring kids into this horrible place. I think in the near future, most parents who care will struggle with this decision, whether or not to bring children into a perpetually worsening society/world because it will get to the point to where discipline and good parenting will no longer be stronger than societies parenting. Whether children were misraised, undisciplined, or whichever combination of everything from media to society, there is no turning back to better times. It's all downhill from now on. Now for middle schoolers and high schoolers its do the steroids, or be socially invisible, be friendless and never get laid. "Lets see.. do I want to be socially invisible, friendless, without a girl, or do some steroids that I dunno what they will do to me in the long run, but who cares about that cause everyone else seems to be fine and getting *****". You gotta buy the trendy clothes, or be the loser that nobody would be caught dead standing next to. Do the drugs, or be left out forever. We know its not like that at all being older and wiser, but that is what they believe at their young, confused point of existence. All these choices, all these demands, all this stress. All the amounting stress and hormones, its a recipe for disaster and more often now, depression. We are Generation Rx for a reason.

    Then after high school it changes a little bit, but the society/media effect never leaves. Ever since middle school we are brain washed that you have to go to college to be successful or you will not make it in this world. So now you are getting a degree in something that you don't even enjoy so that you can buy things that you don't need and eventually won't keep you happy. There is nothing wrong with college, but for God's sake do what makes you happy. I think people lose sense of time and forget that they will be dead one day, and on that very day, it will be a little too late to change things. While this can all seem morbid and dark, it really isn't. I just hate how society/media grips us and makes us live certain ways. We become robots that go to work doing something we hate, and getting enough side money to be able to jack off comfortably, and then when the time comes, we are retired for younger newer models. What kind of life and existence is that? People think about these things and then if they don't have faith in a higher power, whats in it for them? They don't know why they are even existing and they go threw life depressed whenever their temporary pleasures run out, so go ahead, take another shot of alcohol, whatever gets you by right?

    We have the 34 year old woman who is unmarried and not in the best shape. She's got 3 cats. She is very self-conscious about her image and because of if it she is on several anti-depressents to get her thru the day. Despite the meds, she is nowhere near happy. She would like to get married and have a family, but she thinks she's so damn ugly and just one of the "unfortunate" ones that society won't accept unless she fits into their slim standards. She watches Oprah and sees how much attention she is getting now cause she lost all her weight. She buys a bottle of ephedra. She reads the long intimidating warning label and right then and there, she makes the decision to put her health on the back burner for a chance, a slight chance and she probably knows it, to be able to "fit in". She takes some, jumps on the treadmill and runs and runs and runs. She is fueled by the sweet desire to fit in and the rage of being a "loser" all this time, because maybe, just maybe, she will be able to have what she wants if she fits into societies mean standards by dropping 40 lbs. The ephedra is not working as fast at burning fat as her mind is racing fast with so many mixed emotions that make her cry herself to sleep each night. She decides to try the ephedra one more time, this time, she is deep in a hole of unimaginable sorrow. She takes triple the dose even though she probably knows it won't triple the fat loss, but she is desperate and this is her last chance. She runs her heart out and becomes a statistic.

    Who do we blame? Do we blame her?
    "Yes, blame her, she was stupid and deserved it, and now because of her ephedra is banned. That bitch." Do we blame society and the media for giving her such impossible standards to be able to have a "good life"? Nobody blames the media. Nobody blames society. I think it's time we start blaming them.

    Bottom line, If people truly did what they enjoyed and really made effort to be themselves and tried really hard to escape the jaws of society and the fear from the media, I think they would be way more happier and it is the only way, the only way the world can start moving up in the right direction again.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    Woah now there.. don't condem them all.. there are some damn good teachers in this country but just like any other field, we has some real dumbasses in it also... and these are on the dumbass caliber of some of the ones I have met in other fields... and the coolness factor really doesn't play into teaching, just like it doesn't play in being the boss most of the time.... you have things that you have to do(teach) want to or not.. and MOST teachers do understand the fact that they don't know everything.. that is one of the reasons that they have to head back to school almost every summer or take continuing ED classes...
    Teachable teachers are cool. I don't like how some never wanted to get to know my generation or what we went through. Like they were perfect back in their day. They are punishing kids for using Protein Powder? I think we need to all meet down in the auditorium to talk some issues over.


    I was branded a drug dealer/druggie in my school. My vice principal (who was cool) told me they had me on a Black list. I think I must of caught some of them off guard when I won Leagues, Districts and got 21st in the State of PA for X-country my first year out(Senior Year). Counselers were, In my experience, the worst of all. These people are supposed to be helping kids. My friend since 3rd grade was told by a counseler, and a couple teachers that he would never amount to anything. I'm not making this up.He just got hired by Lockheed Martin in their Multimedia dept a month ago. We both make more than the same people who didn't believe we could do it.

    Still, there are some Damn good teachers in this country, I'm living proof of that. Thanks for believing in me.
    Last edited by Mach .78; 08-04-2005 at 12:13 PM.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by darius
    We all want the easy way out. 98% of us would take the "easy way" if there were no difference at all between the two (no health problems, etc), except one was faster. However, thats not how it is with steroids/bodybuilding cause the body doesn't like the "easy way" compared to the natural way. We all know steroids can be pretty safe when used correctly and moderately, but nothing is safer than being natural. It's a balance, like anything, but most of us here are knowledgable enough to make wise choices concerning the use of steroids and our able to control ourselves based on what we know. We see that fine line, and unfortunately the uneducated do not. That is when problems occur.



    We have the 34 year old woman who is unmarried and not in the best shape. She's got 3 cats. She is very self-conscious about her image and because of if it she is on several anti-depressents to get her thru the day. Despite the meds, she is nowhere near happy. She would like to get married and have a family, but she thinks she's so damn ugly and just one of the "unfortunate" ones that society won't except unless she fits into their slim standards. She watches Oprah and sees how much attention she is getting now cause she lost all her weight. She buys a bottle of ephedra. She reads the long intimidating warning label and right then and there, she makes the decision to put her health on the back burner for a chance, a slight chance and she probably knows it, to be able to "fit in". She takes some, jumps on the treadmill and runs and runs and runs. She is fueled by the sweet desire to fit in and the rage of being a "loser" all this time, because maybe, just maybe, she will be able to have what she wants if she fits into societies mean standards by dropping 40 lbs. The ephedra is not working as fast at burning fat as her mind is racing fast with so many mixed emotions that make her cry herself to sleep each night. She decides to try the ephedra one more time, this time, she is deep in a hole of unimaginable sorrow. She takes triple the dose even though she probably knows it won't triple the fat loss, but she is desperate and this is her last chance. She runs her heart out and becomes a statistic.

    Who do we blame? Do we blame her?
    "Yes, blame her, she was stupid and deserved it, and now because of her ephedra is banned. That bitch." Do we blame society and the media for giving her such impossible standards to be able to have a "good life"? Nobody blames the media. Nobody blames society. I think it's time we start blaming them.

    Bottom line, If people truly did what they enjoyed and really made effort to be themselves and tried really hard to escape the jaws of society and the fear from the media, I think they would be way more happier and it is the only way, the only way the world can start moving up in the right direction again.
    Darius your the man. You should write a book, I would buy it for sure.

  5. Nice Darius Nice..

    loved that..

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  6. Quote Originally Posted by darius
    It's not a matter if your young or old, its a matter if your stupid or not stupid. It just so happens that many young people are stupid. For any stupid person, creatine could be a "gateway" drug to gh, steroids, rec drugs, etc in the sense that they were afraid to try it out because the media and everyone said creatine was bad, but when they got the balls to try it, "eh its not bad at all, actually kinda nice". Now they apply that same logic to everything and you can see what happens. So do we blame the person for being stupid or do we blame the media as the precurser to the entire sequence? In the Bible, Eve was stupid, but she was setup. Both were punished (satan worse imo lol, even tho ours was not so fun either), however today, the media isn't punished. We all know how many problems the media causes and we all know how much we all hate them. What does the media say? They have a whole list of stupid excuses like "we can't report all the 'good' stuff that is going on, its just not possible" well bitches, at least try to put it into perspective so your not trying to inflict so much fear into people so they **** their pants. Ever notice that in tragic times and events, its almost like a competiton between the media to get the highest death toll numbers, and when they get the new death toll numbers do you notice how excited and almost happy they are to report it? The media is truly f*cking up this country. I believe the media is even more to blame than the government. The governemnt almost has no realistic choice but to play along and "fix" whatever the media purpetrates as "wrong" or there will be alot of angry soccer moms / stupid majority. Just like in the Bible how Pilate "had to" sentence Jesus to death, even though He did nothing wrong, and Pilate didn't even want to.. it was just cause the stupid majority wanted it..

    We've got alot of young guys on here that are pretty knowledgable and know exactly what we are doing to their bodies. I consider myself one of them. Unfortunately the ratio for stupid/not stupid is very much offset. And in a place where the majority rule, we are all poured into the same cup whether we would like to be or not.
    YES

  7. Damn i must have taken alot of roids according to this dumbass article sense i have took AMino acid's. creatine . protein... least my coach is not a dick and lets me bring my protein shake to the gym so i do know creatine is banned tho and i get called roids sense i used creatine wtf just wait see what they say once i run a superdrol cycle JK

  8. An old thread but a good one. I missed it the first time around, so...I have been popping pills for all kinds of thrills since I was 16. I started with( and still take ) Phosphatydal Choline on the advice of my biology teacher!. That was 1983..the more things change the more they stay the same...The portion of the original article where the writer groups STEROIDS with vitamins , protien mixes and amino acids, is an old journalism technique. The plan is to make a rather boring article more interesting by linking it with a hotter(but non-existant issue) teens and steroids angle. They used to do this with celebrity drug busts. They would write "***was caught with .5 grams of marijuana and some unlabled container which may have contained oxicotin..."
    It may have contained advil, but then who would care? It is sensationalism and it works. Personally I love the look on peoples faces when, I pause to pop a few pills through out the day!..Rock the Boat!

  9. Pooring out protein powder? That's ****in retarded, I'd never let a teacher do that, it's protein for god's sake! When i was in highschool (not long ago), i had TONS of supps in my locker, creatine, glutamine, protein, multi's, and i never got in trouble, many teachers saw all my supps. But then again I live in Canada. And Canada is a little more lax about steroids then America, like if you ever got caught with a couple bottles of test it would most likely be a slap on the wrist. But if we are talkin 50,000 d-bol, lol different story. And i'd move to Mexico, Thailand or Egypt if you want LEGAL steroids. I'd move to Mexico .

  10. A lot of rules are stupid, but as somebody else pointed out, there are even more stupid people. For that matter, I don't care if teens use supps or steriods. I wouldn't recommend steriods to a teen, but I'll be damned if that's my problem. The 16 year old tennis girl on juice? Oh well!

  11. Just wondering how old are you? And with that attitude you might have found the wrong board my man

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Matthew D
    Woah now there.. don't condem them all.. there are some damn good teachers in this country but just like any other field, we has some real dumbasses in it also...
    I agree there are some good teachers, but to be honest one of the reasons I ditched a career teaching in public school is because the people in the education majors were by far the dimmest bulbs I'd ever met in my life.

    As far as Darius, he's got some good points. I'm liking his posts. But in the end I'd have to disagree with him. Who to blame? Personally, I blame myself. If the media makes you anxious, turn it off. Don't read the magazines, don't watch the shows or the music videos. The way I look at it if my life isn't good 99 times out of 100 it's my fault, with dumb bad luck and occasional maliscious attack from some other person making up the last 1 out of 100. This entire nation is married to the media, and the media has got everyone's balls in its purse. Nothing it stopping you from pulling yours out and using them though, as you could in any relationship. It's your choice though.

    Edit: Jesus Christ this is an old thread. I had no idea.

  13. Roids are looked down on worse then alcohol in terms of teen use because of this....


    5,000 plus kids die each year from alcohol related deaths (poisonings, car accidents, etc.)

    How many die of roids each year? Not too many

    the only reason people think steroids are a problem is because the news is more widespread. I live on the east coast and some kid died "of roids" in Cali. and we heard about it. I dont even hear about kids dieng of alcohol in my same state...

  14. I BELIVE THEY THINK THAT IF WE USE ANY SUPPLEMENT LIKE NO2 OR CREATINE THEN THAT WE WILL EVENTUALLY USE STEROIDS AND THAT THEY RATHER TAKE ALL THAT AWAY SO NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING

    THATS A BUNCH OF CRAP ITS UR DECISION AND UR DECISION ONLY IF U WANT TO TAKE SUPPS AND/OR STEROID

    IF A 15 YR OLD GIRL SOCCER PLAYER TAKES JUICE? NOT MY PROBLEM!

  15. Such ignorance reminds me of the water boy where the mother is like "Girls are the devil, Foosball is the devil..." Protein is steroids creatine is steroids. You get the point, how can people intrusted with educating the future of the nation be soo STUPID that they dont even know the difference. How about accusing your teacher of snorting cocaine when their fat asses eat powdered donuts.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by somewhatgifted
    Such ignorance reminds me of the water boy where the mother is like "Girls are the devil, Foosball is the devil..." Protein is steroids creatine is steroids. You get the point, how can people intrusted with educating the future of the nation be soo STUPID that they dont even know the difference. How about accusing your teacher of snorting cocaine when their fat asses eat powdered donuts.


    I second this

  17. Quote Originally Posted by SuPPLementJuNkY
    I BELIVE THEY THINK THAT IF WE USE ANY SUPPLEMENT LIKE NO2 OR CREATINE THEN THAT WE WILL EVENTUALLY USE STEROIDS AND THAT THEY RATHER TAKE ALL THAT AWAY SO NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING

    THATS A BUNCH OF CRAP ITS UR DECISION AND UR DECISION ONLY IF U WANT TO TAKE SUPPS AND/OR STEROID

    IF A 15 YR OLD GIRL SOCCER PLAYER TAKES JUICE? NOT MY PROBLEM!

    Good words fellow 17er, good words. I'm tired of the government protecting us from supplements when they cant protect us from cancer or other REAL problems.

  18. most if not all HS in the united states are following the same list that the NCAA uses for "drugs" that cannot be used during the season....



    amiphenazole
    methylenedioxymethamphetamine
    amphetamine
    (MDMA, ecstasy)
    bemigride
    methylphenidate
    benzphetamine
    nikethamide
    bromantan
    pemoline
    caffeine
    guarana)
    pentetrazol
    chlorphentermine
    phendimetrazine
    cocaine
    phenmetrazine
    cropropamide
    phentermine
    crothetamide
    diethylpropion
    phenylpropanolamine (ppa)
    dimethylamphetamine picrotoxine
    doxapram
    pipradol
    ephedrine
    prolintane
    (ephedra, ma huang) strychnine
    ethamivan
    synephrine
    ethylamphetamine
    (citrus aurantium, zhi shi, bitter
    fencamfamine
    orange)
    meclofenoxate
    and related compounds
    methamphetamine
    (b) Anabolic Agents:
    anabolic steroids
    androstenediol
    methyltestosterone
    androstenedione
    nandrolone
    boldenone
    norandrostenediol
    clostebol
    norandrostenedione
    dehydrochlormethyl-
    norethandrolone
    testosterone
    oxandrolone
    dehydroepiandro-
    oxymesterone
    sterone (DHEA)
    oxymetholone
    dihydrotestosterone
    stanozolol
    (DHT)
    testosterone
    [/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]2
    dromostanolone
    tetrahydrogestrinone (THG)
    epitrenbolone
    trenbolone
    fluoxymesterone
    and related compounds
    gestrinone
    mesterolone
    methandienone
    other anabolic agents
    methenolone
    clenbuterol
    (c) Substances Banned for Specific Sports:
    Rifle:
    alcohol
    pindolol
    atenolol
    propranolol
    metoprolol
    timolol
    nadolol
    and related compounds
    (d) Diuretics:
    acetazolamide
    hydrochlorothiazide
    bendroflumethiazide
    hydroflumethiazide
    benzhiazide
    methyclothiazide
    bumetanide
    metolazone
    chlorothiazide
    polythiazide
    chlorthalidone
    quinethazone
    ethacrynic acid
    spironolactone
    flumethiazide
    triamterene
    furosemide
    trichlormethiazide
    and related compounds
    (e) Street Drugs:
    heroin
    tetrahydrocannabinol
    marijuana
    3
    (THC)
    3
    (f) Peptide Hormones and Analogues:
    corticotrophin (ACTH)
    human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG)
    leutenizing hormone (LH)
    growth hormone(HGH, somatotrophin)
    insulin like growth hormone (IGF-1)
    All the respective releasing factors of the above-mentioned
    substances also are banned:
    erythropoietin (EPO) sermorelin
    darbypoetin
    (g) Definitions of positive depends on the following:
    1
    for caffeine—if the concentration in urine exceeds 15
    micrograms/ml.
    2
    [FONT=Times][SIZE=3][FONT=Times]for testosterone—if the administration of testosterone or use
    of any other manipulation has the result of increasing the ratio
    of the total concentration of testosterone to that of
    epitestosterone in the urine to greater than 6:1, unless there is
    evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or
    pathological condition. for marijuana and THC—if the concentration in the urine of
    THC metabolite exceeds 15 nanograms/ml.

  19. Bah, this is nothing.

    I was working out at the base gym while I was in the air force and overheard a conversation about how this sailors captain "banned" creatine outright from his command because "it caused shoulder problems".

    I could not contain myself and started laughing and the guy asked me why I was laughing and I basically told him "if you have a shoulder problem, it isn't from the creatine, it's from people lifting wrong"

    He didn't say much, but I could tell by the way that he furiously worked the pec deck that my assessment was correct.

    Guy looked like an epileptic chicken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by somewhatgifted
    Such ignorance reminds me of the water boy where the mother is like "Girls are the devil, Foosball is the devil..." Protein is steroids creatine is steroids. You get the point, how can people intrusted with educating the future of the nation be soo STUPID that they dont even know the difference. How about accusing your teacher of snorting cocaine when their fat asses eat powdered donuts.

    I couldnt agree more. There are certain things in this world that can be definatively objectively quantified. Helium is not oxygen, nitrogen is not carbon dioxide. And creatine and protien are not four ring structures comprised of carbon atoms. When it comes to objective criteria that can be quantified and proven through scientific method there are only two groups of theories. 1) reality. and 2) non-reality. Creatine is no more a steroid than a coca cola is an opiate. Again......................... .... reality...........and non-reality. Some things really are that simple.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by UnicronSpawn
    I couldnt agree more. There are certain things in this world that can be definatively objectively quantified. Helium is not oxygen, nitrogen is not carbon dioxide. And creatine and protien are not four ring structures comprised of carbon atoms. When it comes to objective criteria that can be quantified and proven through scientific method there are only two groups of theories. 1) reality. and 2) non-reality. Creatine is no more a steroid than a coca cola is an opiate. Again......................... .... reality...........and non-reality. Some things really are that simple.
    Given the choice, I would prefer the steroids and the opiates. I think chocolate has its time and place ,but creatine messes up my electrolites. I will not allow the government to compromise my cell permeability.

    " come get it you fat load "-Napolean Dynomite

  22. "I will not allow the government to compromise my cell permeability."


    can someone please make that a bumper sticker and sell that on anabolic minds!

  23. To slightly expand on Darius's point (good post, by the way), the media is sensationalist. Thats what happens when the media is ran by private companies. To get the dollars, you need to have the best news. Negative, shocking news always works best. So people are more likely to pick up the newspaper that tells us about the dangers of amino acids than tell us that life kicks ass and should be enjoyed. They want people scared...and reading their newspaper. Its just that simple.

  24. They want people scared...and reading their newspaper. Its just that simple.

    YAY!!! the first time i actually agree with The Experiment!!!! I always knew i would one day find something in common with him... now.. let me try to let him understand the main stream lib. bias in news papers ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaynardMeek
    They want people scared...and reading their newspaper. Its just that simple.

    YAY!!! the first time i actually agree with The Experiment!!!! I always knew i would one day find something in common with him... now.. let me try to let him understand the main stream lib. bias in news papers ;-)
    Scared people are easier to fool. The standard strategy is to shock the reader with some horrible news, then reassure them with some bogus facts. This affirms the news source as the voice of reason and purveyor of truth. Then it is easier to convince the reader that anything you promote will be worth your while. It is a good thing that supplement companies do not use these techniques to sell their products!!! ( hahahahaha )

  26. If you noticed MaynardMeek, I threw in a liberal remark in that post It doesn't matter to me if the news is liberal or conservative. I just want to know the truth.

    Anyway, this is how they operate. You can tell because whenever they make an article about weblog news, they attack like starving pitbulls on a squirrel. Lets not forget that weblog news cracked the CBS "Memogate." Naturally, what happened is that the media began to attack weblog news.

    Not to deviate much from the topic but I think blogging is the future of news. Never underestimate nerds who have nothing better to do than comb through articles to find incorrect information. Its what the media should be doing but sadly, they are not.

  27. Hmm. Boy you know something's jacked up if it spurs me out of lurk mode.

    I know I'm preaching to the choir on this board, but it really has to be reiterated. Protein a Class I steroid? So how the hell would they schedule a good T-bone? They're coming down on athletes for taking aminos (oh, HORROR!!) when I knew for a fact guys on the sports teams at my high school were a walking pharmacopia of illicit, and not very performance-enhancing substances.

    Gah, too much stupidity this early in the morning. At least no one I've dealt with in my Army career has been idiotic about supplement usage. Hell, there's a GNC at almost every good-sized PX...not that I shop there... I'd rather (and do) frequent the folks who advertise here.

    End of rant. Oh, and hello!

    Ryan
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