Rick Collins speaks to US Sentencing Commission

**Strateg0s** · 04-15-2005, 02:25 PM

Public Hearing Agenda

United States Sentencing Commission

Commissioners Conference Room
Washington, D.C.

April 12, 2005

LINK

Rick Collins' statement (PDF)

sweet-physique · 04-15-2005, 02:47 PM

Wow! Way to go Rick. thanks strat.

T-Bone · 04-15-2005, 02:55 PM

Good reading.

tcilmo · 04-15-2005, 03:01 PM

excellent

lozgod · 04-15-2005, 03:29 PM

I cant read it for some reason. Maybe my adobe is messing up.

ShadowJack · 04-15-2005, 03:34 PM

Strat, thanks for the link.

Very well written statement by Rick Collins. And extremely well said.

**Strateg0s** · 04-15-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lozgod

I cant read it for some reason. Maybe my adobe is messing up.

Here Loz, go check this out

lozgod · 04-15-2005, 04:25 PM

ok, I d'loaded Adobe Reader 7. Great read for sure. I am curious to what the other side has to say.

**Strateg0s** · 04-15-2005, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lozgod

ok, I d'loaded Adobe Reader 7. Great read for sure. I am curious to what the other side has to say.

Go to the link I just posted and it's there.

lozgod · 04-15-2005, 04:32 PM

You dont mind if I pass this along to the other boards do you?

**Strateg0s** · 04-15-2005, 04:40 PM

Heh. No, it's not mine anyways. This is good info, spread it around. Too bad it will probably amount to nothing. McCAMPBELL's side will no doubt win the day, and steroid penalties will be increased, and measured by the half mL and single pills.

lozgod · 04-15-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Strateg0s

Too bad it will probably amount to nothing. McCAMPBELL's side will no doubt win the day, and steroid penalties will be increased, and measured by the half mL and single pills.

I was thinking the same thing. Collins was on the money though.

**Strateg0s** · 04-15-2005, 04:50 PM

He only has mountains of evidence and infallible logic on his side. He won't get far.

**bioman** · 04-15-2005, 06:44 PM

Yeah, reason went out the window quite a while ago. It totally makes sense that people should be put in prison with murderers and rapists for owning a vial of human hormones.

MarcusG · 04-15-2005, 07:57 PM

Much respect to Collins. The information he is presenting may seem trite and banal to us, but to normal layfolk which includes his audience of lawmakers its all new and surprising.

A small extract of his speech which will offend many users:
"..... A number of them use steroids in willful and unethical violation of the rules of fair play and may even deserve our scorn...."

**RobInKuwait** · 04-15-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcusG

Much respect to Collins. The information he is presenting may seem trite and banal to us, but to normal layfolk which includes his audience of lawmakers its all new and surprising.

A small extract of his speech which will offend many users:
"..... A number of them use steroids in willful and unethical violation of the rules of fair play and may even deserve our scorn...."

I don't see how thats offensive. He's talking about professional and olympic athletes who knowingly cheat the rules of their sport by using. Ricks is more concerned about protecting the common, responsible gym rat, who use the steroids for acstetic reasons.

Y2Jversion1 · 04-15-2005, 09:07 PM

Way to go Rick, n thanks for posting Strat!

I printed it off and read it on the train on the way home from work..at the end of every paragraph I felt like sayin "yea!" out loud

Only if they printed this in all the newspapers for the everyday ignoramuses who think users are evil incarnates.

As for the 'offensive' part, like Rob said - that statement was in regards to professional athletes, not gymrats like us..

Put a smile on my face today.

**not_big_enuf** · 04-15-2005, 09:43 PM

I wanted to stand up and cheer after I read that.

My only problem was that in comparing breast implants to steroids... breast implants don't quite have the possible negative effect that steroids do. So when I use that analogy and somebody says, "yeah but, a break implant will give you back problems and steroids will....."

jarhead · 04-15-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by not_big_enuf

I wanted to stand up and cheer after I read that.

My only problem was that in comparing breast implants to steroids... breast implants don't quite have the possible negative effect that steroids do. So when I use that analogy and somebody says, "yeah but, a break implant will give you back problems and steroids will....."

I personally loved that statement. The motives for using roids and getting implants are the same for the average user. Breast augmentation is a major surgery. Far more people have had serious complications from breast implants than roid usage. For the most part, most side effects from roids are temporary and/or reversible. That is not the case with many of the complications that can result from having implants.

Even done right, a boob job can lead to major problems down the road, not to mention they are only expected to last 5-10 years before they have to be redone.. On the other hand SMART roid usage has little to no side effects. If you screw yourself up with roids, 9 times out of ten you were'nt being safe(bloodwork, reasonable dosages, pct, etc.)