[Newb017]

i'll say 100% he didnt do pct, his parents just told him to stop taking them outta nowhere, and shrinking muscle mass isn't a reason people go into depression and commit suicide after steroids bro, it's a hormonal issue

[SilentScream27]

Originally Posted by Newb017

i'll say 100% he didnt do pct, his parents just told him to stop taking them outta nowhere, and shrinking muscle mass isn't a reason people go into depression and commit suicide after steroids bro, it's a hormonal issue

it doesn't help. i'd be pretty depressed if pound after pound of muscle catabolized day by day, wasting my frame away...

[Matthew D]

guys... I really don't think that there can be any "real" proof of his use causing him to commit suicide. He was already screwing things up by starting AAS when he was pumping some much test NATURALLY And the hormone angle I don't think would fly either.. way too many unknowns in this equation to make it work out correctly

[brogers]

With 10 minutes of research on the internet his parents could have learned a great deal about how he should have come off steroids. I wonder how they would feel if they knew that.

Bottom line though, it was the kid's fault, you have to take responsibility for your decisions. No one made him juice, and he didn't care enough to do some research on how to do it right.

[CDB]

Originally Posted by Foster

lifted, I said what I expected. Your kids should know if the **** hits the fan, you're there for them and you'll help them. Why do you think kids are so freaken stupid to do crap like that? Poor parenting. If you raise your kids to be responsible, they'll most likely be responsible. I even think a more likely reason the kid probably commited suicide would be the way the parents talked to him when they caught him.

I don't know about that, but I do find the dialogue in the article next to hilarious. "Mark Maguire does them"? You've got to be kidding me. That's what I meant by parents seeing their kids as they want them to be, not as they are. For all we know he was showing his parents the AM or some other website with realistic info on steroids and how they're not that dangerous if used properly, and all they heard was what they quoted in the article. That aside, if at 19 he was such an adult why did he give up the steroids to his mother and father? As an adult he could have told them to go to hell, which indicates to me he's a hell of a lot less mature than people gave him credit for, and his parents had a lot more control over him than some would credit them with. Which is why I'm not too sympathetic to them. They could have used that control to save his life, they didn't.

[CEDeoudes59]

Originally Posted by houseman

What a ****ing joke.

Once again, blame is placed on something when personal responsibility has zero blame.

19 and using gear. Condonening its' use by saying Barry Bonds does it. If this kid didn't whack himself I'm sure something about have got to him later on.

My thoughts exactly.
The New York Times should do an article on the 26,000,000 steroid users that haven't committed suicide. I mean that would be fair right? I'll keep an eye out for that article

[CEDeoudes59]

Originally Posted by CDB

I don't know about that, but I do find the dialogue in the article next to hilarious. "Mark Maguire does them"? You've got to be kidding me. That's what I meant by parents seeing their kids as they want them to be, not as they are.

I'll admit I laughed too. This 'kid' was 19 years old, and you'd expect a 6 year old to say something like that.

[phasar]

this article sucks. so many unknowns.

[The Experiment]

At my High School, nobody juiced. Yet there were about a dozen or so kids throughout my school that have committed suicide, at least that I knew of. I can't believe the writers are so oblivious to the fact that teenagers occasionally commit suicide. If someone were to get huge just so he can look better to girls, chances are, the kid has self esteem issues to begin with.

[Magickk]

Originally Posted by houseman

compassion for what?

He's dead and that's ashame but he's dead because of his own ignorance. I'm not trying to be a **** but if we'd start teaching personal responsibility then these things might not happen.

If he had of been using coke, would the same reaction/attention be given? Would we try to have compassion or says "That's too bad but it's his own stupid fault"?

I dunno. Maybe I'm just tired of seeing the blame placed on things where blame doesn't belong in my opinion.

I agree 110%

[Magickk]

Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

What happened to the good 'ol days when they just blamed Marily Manson? lolol...People are ****ing stupid.

AHHAHAHAAHA I just busted my liver.... Or wait, maybe that was the 3 g of dianabol / test mix I just injected into my stomach b/c "BARRY BONDS DOES IT"...

[Magickk]

Originally Posted by lifted

CDB, this wasn't a kid....he was 19 years old. He can make whatever decision he wants. So why do you think its the parents job to learn how to 1) use the internet if it was an issue. 2) speak to HIS doctor, or 3) pamper and baby this guy till he was blue in the face? YOu're reasoning is a moot point. Did your parents watch over you when you were 19 yrs. old? Did they speak to your doctor and ask him to release YOUR private medical records? Did they move in to your dorm when you were at college? C'mon man, that's so out of this world...this was so out of his parents hands.

And I do believe that AAS COULD have infact caused this young man to commit suicide. Yes, it was his own fault, but that doesn't mean that you have to cast him out as such. IF a history of depression is evident, low test levels will only contribute to this even moreso. This is actual scientific data. Are you arguing with science?

***I can understand you're points if they were in relation to some other AAS teen suicide stories that have depicted AAS as evil amongst us. I've read way too many of them and like you, get disgusted. But I fail to see any logic here in regards to the detailed report that was posted. In all fairness towards this young man and his family, they DO have a legitimate concern here. They could've/should've done this or that, yes....but the reality is they didn't. And one should not bash another human being for being misinformed. It was out of their hands and it IMHO could not have been avoided by their offerings. I'm done...

I understand what you're saying, but the thing here is, if you're saying "well his parents couldn't do this, they couldn't wipe his ass they couldn't lick his balls they couldn't feed him his moms tits" etc, then HOW THE **** could they have MADE HIM stop cold turkey? I know when I was 19, in college, and on drugs, when my dad told me to stop, I told him to **** off... Why didn't the guy just stop, and run his PCT? Oh wait, my guess is we aren't getting the whole story here. This is a MEDIA ARTICE, NOT ONE WRITTEN BY THE PARENTS... It's out to put a negative spin on steroids. So here's what probably really happened... They kid took juice, confessed, his parent's WHIGGED OUT because "WE GO TO CHURCH, WE GIVE YOU EVERYTHING, AND YOU COME INTO OUR HOUSE AND USE STEROIDS?!!!" Then they flip out, and make him feel like ****, and throw everything away, including PCT... So here sits a kid in his room, grounded for 2 weeks, w/out PCT feeling like a lardass... Yes, he's too young to be using so hormonal issues were more than likely prevelant also, but it's everything tied into one man, imagine being that kid, put yourself in his shoes, and understand the last days of his life and what they were probably like...

So in conclusion, it's the kids fault for using so young, parents fault for over-reacting and not being educated, and probably not listening to their kid. But in the great U S of A, it's going to get blamed on STEROIDS, or the latest bad guy of the media and / or congress scapegoat... this article makes me think of SouthPark: The Movie

[littleJ]

I do feel sorry for the kids parents, but they were responsible in the fact that they did not teach their son. I am not saying that steroids are one of the many tools of the devil or anything, but they should of researched the topic a little. My parents think that they are know it alls, but at least I have researched the crap out of steroids (every aspect of them). My parents haven't done anything but bring up old issues and bad stories like this one. Oh yeah it's a shame that all the people who used in the sixties and seventies are dead and so we cant talk to them about their usage.
I HATE IGNORANCE
alive

[captain chet]

Blaming the parents? I cant believe you all blame the parents for not raising their son right? Come on. Im sure there are MANY on this board under 21, who live at home with their parents and take steroids.

Now does that mean that EVERYONE who does this was poorly raised? Hell no.

I personally think i was raised by the most caring parents in the world.

Did that stop me from doing wrongs when i was a teenager? No.

Do i blame them for what i used to do? No.

I used to sneak out of my window to go smoke pot or drink on weekdays. Do drugs on the weekend and lie to them saying i was at the movies or some other bullshit response.

Do i blame THEM for me being a scumbag and doing those things? **** no.

I used to think "damn my parents would be so pissed if they knew.." but that didnt stop me. We gotta get off the blame game, if anything blame the parents for being ignorant to the facts. Had they researched before making the "cold turkey" decision they may have been able to prevent the depression with proper protocol. Plus, the kid was on for 6 months or longer. At 18-19 years old thats just asking for disaster. Apparently he didnt know what the **** he was doing if he had "12 pills and a bottle of liquid d-bols." How can you blame steroids for his ignorance on the topic. Had he read ANYTHING on this topic he might have know what to do and do it right.

The ****ed up thing is that if some stupid **** had a headache and took 40 advil because it hurt "real bad" then the parents would probably try and sue the makers of advil instead of realizing that they didnt follow directions and they got ****ed.

Would you sue the traffic commision if you ran a red light and plowed into a car saying "oh i blame that light for the accident?" **** NO. YOU ****ed up and YOU didnt follow directions and YOU pay the penalities.

Its a shame that kid had to die, for himself, family and friends, as well as the whole steroid scandal issue going on but take some responsibility. Now its quarter of 11 on friday and im all worked up and pissed off. ****. Thats the end of my rant.

[jomi822]

I think its safe to say this kid had other issues going on that led to his suicide that didnt make their way into the article. The article doesnt tell all of the story, im confident about that. As for the parents i dont see what they have to do with it. It was the kids choice he made it. Im going to have to say i feel a little under the weather coming off a ph cycle but nothing that would make me contemplate suicide. This is another case of the blame game. It sickens me. The next article is going to be about how milk causes suicide, aids, and leprosy. Stay away from that milk...itll getcha. o wait, they already banned whole milk in new jersey publice schools.

[BMW]

dont u guys find it kinda funny every time a teens suicide is blamed on steroids theyr always blame the one steroid even most of us have a hard time getting a hold of and that is injectible dbol. i find it hard to belive just your average anybody can obtain injectible dbol that easy.

[kwyckemynd00]

Originally Posted by BMW

dont u guys find it kinda funny every time a teens suicide is blamed on steroids theyr always blame the one steroid even most of us have a hard time getting a hold of and that is injectible dbol. i find it hard to belive just your average anybody can obtain injectible dbol that easy.

I still don't understand why people even use injectable Dbol

[NuggzTheNinja]

Originally Posted by SWOLE93

dude, have some compassion. Someone's kid is dead.

Point taken, but this kid's death is going to seriously f-ck a BUNCH of responsible people.

I'd rather save the living at the expense of the dead, than save the dead's reputation at the expense of the living...