Buyer frenzy before prohormone is banned
01-20-2005 03:01 PM
01-20-2005 03:07 PM
Nope. They were just regulated as "prescription only" until 1990, the same way that nolva and letro are regulated today.
Originally Posted by SpecialK117
01-20-2005 08:52 PM
Ya know man, you dont really have any basis for saying that about Mike. Mike is a good guy, and yeah you think hes gonna sit there and say "aw well, i wont stand for this, this is outrageous." No, he's smart. Bitching about it and whining wont get him anywhere. Also, it DOES give off a negative image. Most Americans dont know the difference between prohormones and steroids; they think they are the same thing. Steroids have a huge stigma for being dangerous and life threatening. People associate the same things with prohormones because they dont know any better. If Mike wants to say that he wants to be respected, im all for it. And ya know what? He's makin some damn good money off it I bet too. AND even if you DO think hes a hypocrite, you cant deny that he gives great service to his customers. I for one will always be one of them, just because he treats me with respect and handles any problems i might have with any aspect of my transactions. To me it just sounds like you have a stick up your ass.
Originally Posted by houseman
01-21-2005 12:06 AM
I have to agree. Mike was just being smart. When dealing with the press, it is best to keep a low profile. Anybody who remembers Bill Llewelyn's infamous interview with ESPN and the damage it did knows that what Mike said was the best thing he could have said under the circumstances. The press is out to sensationalize everything they can, like they have with the MLB "scandal." Best not to give them any ammunition.
Originally Posted by SoccerGuy07
01-21-2005 02:12 AM
No, he's right. You want the media focus off of this stuff. It's what brought about the ban in the first place. Nothing good will come out of it. I remember reading this horrible article on Ephedera in Newsweek a few years ago...the cover had a pill bottle with little skulls all over it. How do you win against that garbage?
In a lot of ways, I'm convinced the media is our biggest enemy in Iraq, too. You never hear about US soldiers storming an enemy compound, making advances. It's eerily resemblant of Vietnam--the way the press focuses on the negatives and ignores the positives/overall picture.
In short, I'm glad to see the industry has begun to lay low. It's not going to get a fair cut.
01-21-2005 08:18 AM
What I have a problem with is someone making that statement but having no problems selling the very product he is "concerned" about.
IF he had problems with these compounds he couldn't have been selling it. If you don't believe in the products then you shouldn't be selling them.
It's called ethics. And it's not these compunds that "give the suppelment industry a black mark". It's businessmen like McCandles who sells products and then turns around and say he's relieved some controversial supplements are being blacklisted.
If McCandles were John Kerry you'd call him a flip flopper
And for the record, I never said Mike didn't have great service. I have ordered from him in the past and always received amazing service too. It's his complete flip flop I have a problem with.
01-21-2005 09:44 AM
"And, if they do finally remove steroids from the olympics, it will just be in the USA. Most of the other countries aint gonna try to stop it. They will laugh thier asses off at America because we cant win a medal anymore."
Steroids are already banned from the Olympics. And even if you are from a country where steroids are legal. To compete in the Olympics you are still subject to the Olympic guidelines which means you can't use steroids while competing in the Olympic games. Period. Also remember the Olympics store your urine from drug testing. So if a new undetectable steroid comes out and they start testing for it now they can go back and retest to see if the competitor was using the new steroid. And the competitor can have his medal stripped away.
01-21-2005 09:57 AM
To say that McCandless is a hypocrite is still inaccurate in my opinion..I think that he does believe in the products he was selling, but since they have a bad rep, he didnt want to be associated with supporting them wholeheartedly because of the bad rep. And NO, the bad rep of the supplement industry is NOT from businessmen like Mike, it is from the media and the spin they put on everything! It would just be naive to think otherwise.
01-21-2005 10:09 AM
The Media spin?
I won't disagree they put a bad spin on things but lets look at Mike's statement as a media person might.
Here's a businessman who WAS selling these products and then because of the ban can no longer sell them.
Next, he makes a statement saying he is glad some of them (didn't indicate which but we can take a good guess as to what he's referring to) are going to be off the market.
As a media person what would YOU conclude? Hmmm Selling a product that he is glad are now banned so he can't sell them. obviously he agrees that the products he was selling shouldn't be on the market.
Mike JUST told the media what they and government have been touting for months and months now. Only problem is, now they have a credible source in Mike to back up their claims. "Hey! Here's a guy who was selling the products we are banning and agreeing with us by saying they are bad".
Mike would have been better to keep his mouth shut. Or, perhaps, put a positive spin on it by relating it to other substances currently legal (alcohol/tobacco) that do fart worse damage to the health of Americans, etc.
I can only hope that Mike's comment were taken out of context and I'll only believe that if the transcripts of the conversation were released.
Edit for typos. **** it's cold in here. lol
01-21-2005 11:05 AM
...but not arrested, ever. They get special treatment and the double-standard is ridiculous.
And the competitor can have his medal stripped away.
01-21-2005 12:25 PM
Appearently Soccerguy, You know very little about Mike. Im pretty sure that even some of his closest friends would refer to him as a hypocrite. You most likely werent around when M1T hit the market and he was up in arms about how he would never sell the stuff because of the high risk of dangers associated with its use. And even tried to pressure those who were selling it out of it by scare tactics. Bro, he's definitly an excellant businessman for a 25 year old, but he's still a hypocrite. "MOST" successful businessmen are. Just because he has good prices and good customer service (most of the time) doesnt make him the most angelic individual to walk the earth. And I dont need to hear about how he was only covering his ass with that statement, because he has posted many things on the boards that say the same thing about his character. "BUSINESSMAN BEFORE HYPOCRITE"!!
Id post some specific references but I dont want to rehash any old fires if theyve already been put out.
Besides I still like mike. Its just like how I have friends that I consider *******s and fools, But there still my friends. Its a label, you earn it. Im an ******* too. Ask around, youll find many that would agree. Do I take it to heart? No, cause its the truth and I cant hide from it, so I run with it.
01-21-2005 03:02 PM
Excellent post, bro.
Originally Posted by db682
01-21-2005 04:47 PM
well, i didnt know that about mike. I was just defending someone I thought was true to his word, from what i knew. I apologize if I was wrong in anything...I was just going off of what I knew.
01-21-2005 04:48 PM
The government will ban anything that they feel can harm people............. unless they make money off it.
If they really cared about our health tabacoo would have been banned years ago. I bet more people die every day from cigarettes than the total amount of people that die yearly that can be even remotely linked to steroids or ph's, But the government makes billions of dollars off tabaco.
01-21-2005 04:54 PM
Not to mention that second hand smoke is also a leading cause of cancer and death which means that people who don't even smoke and are around people alot that smoke are also at risk.
At least if your taking aas or ph's your only hurting yourself, unless you kill somebody on a "roid rage" !! LOL
but seriously the government claims where free, but where only free to do what makes them money. If they don't make money off it they will find a loop hole to make it illegal.
01-21-2005 05:07 PM
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01-21-2005 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by drei
I didn't say ban, I said get rid of. You don't honestly think that NONE of them are juicin do you? It's like the 20/20 interview a few weeks ago with the guy involved in the Balco deal. He said if a competitor tests hot, his coach is an idiot because it's easy to test clean when your not. He also said that when a competitor uses enhancing substances, he's just leveling the playing field cause they're all doing it. I tend to believe the guy because he's saying he was the one giving the stuff to several recent olympians and pro players basically incriminating himself. Why would he make that up?
02-02-2005 03:59 PM
It's kind of like illicit drug use. You can only go to jail for possession or distribution not for using it.
Originally Posted by rrgg
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