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    FDA..... scapegoating


    I may have read this elsewhere but here it is FDA to Destroy $1.3 Million in Supplements

    FDA to Destroy $1.3 Million in Supplements | SupplementGenius.com

    FDA to Destroy $1.3 Million in Dietary Supplements Containing Unapproved Ingredients — Attorney At Law

    FDA to Destroy $1.3 Million in Dietary Supplements Containing Unapproved Ingredients

    The Food and Drug Administration will destroy more than 23,000 bottles of dietary supplements which were found to contain one or more unapproved additives that could be dangerous to consumers.

    The supplements were sold under the brand names Methyl 1-D, Methyl 1-D XL and Formadrol Extreme XL and sold over the Internet and across the country at fitness retail stores and other locations, the FDA said. The supplements were distributed by LG Sciences LLC of Brighton, Mich. and marketed to body builders as muscle-building compounds.

    U.S. Marshals recently seized thousands of bottles of the dietary supplement products as part of an ongoing FDA investigation. Laboratory tests found the supplements contained one or more unapproved food additives and new dietary ingredients, which the FDA could not be sure was safe, the agency said.

    The products contained 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione, also known as “ATD” or 1,4,6-etioallocholan-dione. The condemned Formadrol Extreme XL contained ATD and 3,6,17-androstenetrione (also known as “6-OXO”). Both of these substances are steroids that inhibit the activity of the enzyme aromatase and may be found in dietary supplements promoted to boost testosterone levels, according to the FDA.

    The FDA requested and received court approval from the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan, Southern Division to destroy the forfeited supplements, which were valued at $1.3 million, the FDA said.

    Consumers who have the condemned dietary supplements in their possession are advised to consult their health care professionals and report if they have experienced any adverse events that they suspect are related to the products’ use.

    The FDA action follows the recent recall of all Hydroxycut dietary supplements, which were linked to at least one death and scores of cases of liver damage.
    But approved prescription medication with proven sides is safe for long term use.
    What a crock.

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    The FDA is worse for your health than these substances.
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    LOL! I love the semantics used. You would think they were talking about the capture of some evil tyrant. "The FDA condemned", as if they were divine in their judgment.. What a sad state of affairs.
    On a side note as Custom pointed out, they dont mind pushing their dope on you though..
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    Eh, don't get me wrong, the whole Prohormone stink isn't particularly logical (their real concern is that kids are getting it- in which case, they should make them 21+, NOT banned). But there is a WORLD of safety difference between a drug that has gone through the FDA's three phases of grueling clinical trials over the course of 8-10 years and an equally powerful chemical that has only gone through minimal testing from drive-by companies that often sprout up and vanish again within a few short years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDLMaj View Post
    Eh, don't get me wrong, the whole Prohormone stink isn't particularly logical (their real concern is that kids are getting it- in which case, they should make them 21+, NOT banned). But there is a WORLD of safety difference between a drug that has gone through the FDA's three phases of grueling clinical trials over the course of 8-10 years and an equally powerful chemical that has only gone through minimal testing from drive-by companies that often sprout up and vanish again within a few short years.

    You bring up an important point which I have highlighted. The motive in my eyes is clear from companies producing such powerful items, and this by no means is making pharmaceutical companies any less responsible, BUT if company ABC makes a powerful supplement knowing full well that easily over 60% of the clients cannot get SERMS for whatever reason, shouldnt company ABC invest a little more money in producing a product that compliments its powerful supplement to be on par with the effectiveness of Rx only SERMS?

    This would go a long way in establishing credibility, and creating a solid client base. Of course it would take money and time to do this.
    Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyverX View Post
    But approved prescription medication with proven sides is safe for long term use.
    What a crock.
    Pharaceuticals with proven side effects are NOT safe to take long term. You chose to take them with the known health risk. Big difference between you chosing to risk your health with known health risk medications than you taking something without any knowledge of the health risks short or long term.

    Quit blaming the government for the irresponsible and abusive business practices of companies that operate under the guise of the dietary supplement industry.

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    Can you sticky this quote, and maybe place in it Zero V's SIG so he will always see it?

    I agree 100%, Brian. By the way, go Yankees!
    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    Pharaceuticals with proven side effects are NOT safe to take long term. You chose to take them with the known health risk. Big difference between you chosing to risk your health with known health risk medications than you taking something without any knowledge of the health risks short or long term.

    Quit blaming the government for the irresponsible and abusive business practices of companies that operate under the guise of the dietary supplement industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    Pharaceuticals with proven side effects are NOT safe to take long term. You chose to take them with the known health risk. Big difference between you chosing to risk your health with known health risk medications than you taking something without any knowledge of the health risks short or long term.

    Quit blaming the government for the irresponsible and abusive business practices of companies that operate under the guise of the dietary supplement industry.

    Fight For Your Rights!
    Not blaming the government.
    Just pointing out their hypocrisy.
    Yes there are disreputable supplement companies out there who push products with side effects.
    If the FDA wants to be fair why don't they ban the pharmaceutical products until the pharma companies come up with prescription medications that have no side effects.
    Because the people taking blood pressure, heart medication, and antidepressants are prescribed to stay on them for several years at least.
    PH's and similar are directed to be cycled for a few weeks.

    Dangerous is dangerous.
    Fix the whole problem, not just the ones who may not be giving you enough financial kickbacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDLMaj
    ...there is a WORLD of safety difference between a drug that has gone through the FDA's three phases of grueling clinical trials over the course of 8-10 years and an equally powerful chemical that has only gone through minimal testing...

    I think you make a great point. Supplement companies are designing and producing products with the sole intent of making a profit, and they might intentionally mis-inform the consumers, or not perform enough testing on some of their so-called msucle building compounds.

    The argument that Big Pharma is giving the FDA the reach around is a good one. Pharmaceutical companies have a vastly larger budget then the smaller supplement and vitamin companies, and therefore have a lot more science and testing backing up their products, therefor setting a precedent.

    ...Laboratory tests found the supplements contained one or more unapproved food additives and new dietary ingredients, which the FDA could not be sure was safe...
    could not be sure was safe...? meaning they could possibly be safe? maybe if more testing was done?


    So when you have a commodity... lets say Ephedrine for example, that doesnt have as much science behind it, all Big Pharma has to do, is stroke a little faster, and before you know it, the FDA bans it. Nowhere in the FDA's report of why they were banning ephedra did they mention that the majority of people who suffered serious consequences from it, had pre-existing health conditions, and who shouldnt have been taking it in the first place.

    But i dont think the FDA or Big Pharma are to blame. They are doing whats in their best interests. For the FDA, letting people know that they do (sometimes) earn their paycheques. And for Big Pharma: increasing market share.

    I blame the consumer. many many people dont read directions, dont remember the directions given to them by doctors or maybe they choose to ignore them. Even reading the warning label right on the side of the bottle seems to be too difficult for some people. But yes, some people do have acute reactions that cannot be forseen or prevented.

    Ignorance is causing liver failure and ultimately death. not ephedra, and not ATD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyverX View Post
    Not blaming the government.
    Just pointing out their hypocrisy.
    Yes there are disreputable supplement companies out there who push products with side effects.
    If the FDA wants to be fair why don't they ban the pharmaceutical products until the pharma companies come up with prescription medications that have no side effects.
    Because the people taking blood pressure, heart medication, and antidepressants are prescribed to stay on them for several years at least.
    PH's and similar are directed to be cycled for a few weeks.

    Dangerous is dangerous.
    Fix the whole problem, not just the ones who may not be giving you enough financial kickbacks.
    You keep missing the point - no one is making you take the pharmaceuticals. You are free to die without them or risk the side effects that are associated with keeping yourself alive on them.

    No one is making you take dietary supplements. You are free to live without them OR take them AND take unknown health risks by doing so.

    No one, including the governement or pharamceutical companies are making you take something without known side effects and health risks EXCEPT the dietary supplemnt companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    No one, including the governement or pharamceutical companies are making you take something without known side effects and health risks EXCEPT the dietary supplemnt companies.

    Thats because the supp industry isnt regulated, which we, the consumers can blame on the government.

    Im just speculating here, but I believe the reason the supp industry isnt being regulated is because that would force the government to fully recognize them as a full fledged industry, instead of just an alternative to pharmaceuticals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B5150 View Post
    You keep missing the point - no one is making you take the pharmaceuticals. You are free to die without them or risk the side effects that are associated with keeping yourself alive on them.

    No one is making you take dietary supplements. You are free to live without them OR take them AND take unknown health risks by doing so.

    No one, including the government or pharmaceutical companies are making you take something without known side effects and health risks EXCEPT the dietary supplement companies.

    The FDA bans more supplements than pharmaceuticals.
    Which means certain supplements that I may want to try are restricted from my use unless I find a black market source. Which may be money tossed away into nowhere.
    The consumer's health regarding supplements should be in their own hands.
    If they are too lazy or choose not to read labels and research information in this day and age, then so be it.
    We have too many methods of information and communication for people not to be informed.
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    The great thing about the legal oral Designer Roids gettin' killed is that the "bro' advice" crowd that has evolved with them will prolly die with them, too.
    And maybe less 16 years old guys whose bench has hit a plateau at 160 lbs and now decide it's time for a cycle, and sadly even get (or got) advice in boards like this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyverX View Post
    The FDA bans more supplements than pharmaceuticals.
    Which means certain supplements that I may want to try are restricted from my use unless I find a black market source. Which may be money tossed away into nowhere.
    The consumer's health regarding supplements should be in their own hands.
    If they are too lazy or choose not to read labels and research information in this day and age, then so be it.
    We have too many methods of information and communication for people not to be informed.
    You are misinformed. There are hundreds of phamaceuticals that never reach the market because they either fail to or the designer cannot support the resources required to pass the stringent trials.

    The pharmacueticals on the market have proven benefits with know risks. The consumer is well aware of the risk to benefit in taking such.

    Your desire to consume products that make it to market by "material suppliers" who will sell anything you want without regard to quality, trials of efficacy or side effects is rather ignorant. You lack the resources to confirm or deny the efficacy or detrimental risk to benefit you are taking.

    You as an individual are free to source this stuff from wherever you would like but to place these products on retail shelves is irresponsible and reckless and places unnecessary risk on innocent indiviulas who assume because it if sold OTC it must be safe.

    The industry cannot be self regulated and they have proven it time and time again because time and time again this same industry come up with some concocted synthesis of a steroid or hormone to slip through loop holes without any regard whatsoever to its efficacy or health risks.

    If they cannot and will not regulate themselves with integrity then I support the governemnt shutting them down.
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    hah medications that cause thoughts of suicide... oh that's fine for them wtf
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