Israeli jets target Gaza tunnels
- 01-04-2009, 05:29 PM
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01-04-2009, 07:41 PM
Kind of a segway with the talk of the US dollar bubble about to burst, have you folks seen Zeitgeist? Part 3 of that movie seems to be well on it's way to coming true.
"I am legally blind and if I can Squat,deadlift and over all get myself to the gym then anyone can get their a$$ in gear and get strong!!" - malleus25
01-04-2009, 08:48 PM
01-04-2009, 09:08 PM
01-04-2009, 09:25 PM
This is a 30 minute version of I.O.U.S.A.. David Walker, the former US comptroller created it, so its from an extremely reputable source. Basically its predicting an economic collapse if serious steps aren't taken in the opposite direction as we as a country have been moving.
01-04-2009, 09:29 PM
01-05-2009, 02:03 AM
Rehovot, Rishon may be in rocket range
By YAAKOV KATZ AND YAAKOV LAPPIN
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Fearing that Hamas may have missiles with a range over 40 kilometers, the IDF Home Front Command has instructed the Rishon Lezion and Rehovot municipalities to prepare their bomb shelters, The Jerusalem Post has learned.
Damage to a Beersheba...
Damage to a Beersheba classroom hit by a Grad rocket on Wednesday morning.
The two cities have a combined population of approximately 333,700.
Defense officials said Sunday that the air force had destroyed a significant percentage of Hamas's long-range Kassams and Grad-model Katyusha rockets, but that it was likely the group still had "several thousand" left.
My sister lives in Rechovot, with her two daughters and a bun in the oven. Go IDF!
01-05-2009, 08:17 PM
I'm in.The Three-State Option
By John R. Bolton
Monday, January 5, 2009; A11
War in the Gaza Strip demonstrates yet again that the current governance paradigm for the Palestinian people has failed. Terrorists financed and supplied by Iran control Gaza; the Palestinian Authority is broken, probably irretrievably; and economic development is stalled in Gaza and the West Bank. Palestinians are suffering the consequences of regional power struggles played out through them as surrogates.
Israel isn't a happy place, either. It endures opprobrium from the world's High-Minded for defending itself from terrorism yet still finds itself subjected to terrorist attacks from Hamas and terrorists based in Syria and Lebanon. Israel's domestic politics are increasingly muddled, and its way forward obscure.
Neighboring countries also suffer. Egypt has walled off its boundary with Gaza; Lebanon remains under threat of a Hezbollah coup enabled by Iran; Syria slides further under Iranian hegemony; and Jordan is trapped in the general gridlock. Other Arab countries search for solutions, but their attention is increasingly diverted by the growing threat from Iran and the downturn in global oil prices.
Given this landscape, we should ask why we still advocate the "two-state solution," with Israel and "Palestine" living side by side in peace, as the mantra goes. We are obviously not progressing, and are probably going backward. We continue poring over the Middle East "road map" because that is all we have, faute de mieux, as they say in Foggy Bottom.
The logic to this position is long past its expiration date. Unfortunately, it is hard to imagine a new approach that the key players would receive enthusiastically. If the way out were obvious, after all, it would already have been suggested. So consider the following, unpopular and difficult to implement though it may be:
Let's start by recognizing that trying to create a Palestinian Authority from the old PLO has failed and that any two-state solution based on the PA is stillborn. Hamas has killed the idea, and even the Holy Land is good for only one resurrection. Instead, we should look to a "three-state" approach, where Gaza is returned to Egyptian control and the West Bank in some configuration reverts to Jordanian sovereignty. Among many anomalies, today's conflict lies within the boundaries of three states nominally at peace. Having the two Arab states re-extend their prior political authority is an authentic way to extend the zone of peace and, more important, build on governments that are providing peace and stability in their own countries. "International observers" or the like cannot come close to what is necessary; we need real states with real security forces.
This idea would be decidedly unpopular in Egypt and Jordan, which have long sought to wash their hands of the Palestinian problem. Accordingly, they should not have to reassume this responsibility alone. They should receive financial and political support from the Arab League and the West, as they both have for years from the United States. Israel should accept political and administrative roles by Jordan and Egypt, unless it intends to perform such roles itself (which it manifestly does not).
Egypt no more wants responsibility for dealing with Hamas than Israel does. Cairo fears that Hamas extremism, and its affinity for the Muslim Brotherhood, will increase the risk of extremism in Egypt. Strong ties exist between Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and extremism in Egypt is growing, so already the real issue is finding the best way to control the threat simultaneously in Egypt and Gaza. Keeping Gaza politically separate from Egypt may be optically satisfying to some, but doing so simply increases threats to Egyptian stability, the loss of which would be catastrophic for the broader region. Just ask the mullahs in Tehran.
Without a larger Egyptian role, Gaza will not, and perhaps cannot, achieve the minimal stability necessary for economic development. Moreover, connecting Gaza to a real economy, rather than a fictional "Palestinian economy," is the quickest concrete way to improve the lives of Gaza's ordinary citizens. The West Bank link to Jordan, for now at least, is less urgent; the matter cannot be put aside indefinitely, partly because, ironically, long-term Israeli security concerns there are more complex than in Gaza.
For Palestinians, admitting the obvious failure of the PA, and the consequences of their selection of Hamas, means accepting reality, however unpleasant. But it is precisely Palestinians who would most benefit from stability. The PA -- weakened, corrupt and discredited -- is not a state by any realistic assessment, nor will it become one accepted by Israel as long as Hamas or terrorism generally remains a major political force among Palestinians.
Objections to this idea will be manifold, and implementation difficult. One place to avoid problems is dispensing with intricate discussions over the exact legal status of Gaza and the West Bank. These territories contain more legal theories than land. "Retrocession" to Egypt and Jordan may or may not become permanent, but one need not advocate that to get started in the interim.
The Palestinian and Israeli peoples deserve a little glasnost and perestroika from the outside world. Either we do better, conceptually and operationally, or Iran will be happy to fill the vacuum.
The writer, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, was U.S. ambassador to the United Nations from August 2005 to December 2006.
01-05-2009, 08:27 PM
01-06-2009, 10:52 AM
Back to two posts ago, here ya go. Sounds awesome! 1) put the Gazan's under someone else's control and away from the Jews they hate so much, 2) take all respect and power from Hamas.US, Egypt, Jordan, Germany and Israel are working together on Gaza ceasefire package
DEBKAfile Exclusive Reprot
January 6, 2009, 2:46 PM (GMT+02:00)
Israeli mobile artillery in Gaza
Israeli mobile artillery in Gaza
DEBKAfile's Washington sources disclose that Washington, Cairo, Amman and Jerusalem are hammering out the lines of a ceasefire deal that will be contingent on the state of combat in the Gaza Strip. Jerusalem accepts the proposition that the ceasefire lines will follow the lines of combat reached in the Gaza Strip in the fighting between Israel and Hamas. Egyptian and Jordanian forces will then enter the Gaza Strip.
Prime minister Ehud Olmert told visiting European Union ministers Monday, Jan. 5, that diplomacy is in progress to find an "international blanket for damping down the blaze in Gaza." He did not elaborate, but, according to our sources in Washington, he was referring to Egypt as the prime mover in a ceasefire solution – not the US.
Alongside the overt diplomatic drive for a ceasefire, Washington is quietly moving ahead on a package in conjunction with Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt – which is managing the Hamas track – and German chancellor Angela Merkel. Israel will hold the lines established on the day the ceasefire went into effect for a two-three month trial period. Egyptian and Jordanian units will remain in the enclave until a pre-set date. An international mechanism will prevent Hamas from rearming.
Egyptian intelligence minister Gen. Omar Suleiman outlined this deal for the Hamas delegation, headed by operations chief, Imad Al Alami, which arrived in Cairo Monday night, after finally agreeing to discuss a truce. It was clear to both sides that he was dictating honorable terms for a Hamas capitulation, as Israeli forces entered the third and most dangerous phase of their Gaza offensive, the entry into Gaza's densely built-up areas.
Tuesday saw heavy Israeli-Hamas street battles in Gaza City after a night of heavy Israeli aerial and naval bombardment. Israel forces engaged Hamas in Khan Younis in the south and hit the southern arms smuggling tunnels of the Philadelphi route and Rafah by air and land.
Hamas attacked the Israeli troops holding the Netzarim belt cutting Gaza City off from the south at Deir al Balakh.
This phase of Israel's Operation Cast Lead follows Phase 1, the heavy aerial bombardment of Hamas military and government infrastructure, and Phase 2, the ground, tank and artillery incursion on Jan. 1, which split the 360-sq km Gaza Strip into three segments.
The outcome of the toughest challenge of the ongoing Phase 3 for flushing out Hamas operatives mingling with urban populations and reducing their rocket-firing capabilities will determine the ceasefire lines for ending the conflict. Meanwhile Hamas was still able to keep up its constant rocket and missile fire by Tuesday afternoon, Jan. 6.
Our diplomatic sources report that the German chancellor's involvement in the US initiative has left French president Nicolas Sarkozy and his 48-hour humanitarian ceasefire proposal more or less standing. In any case, it was rejected by Israel except for his proposal to open a corridor for wounded Palestinians to leave the Gaza Strip for treatment.
The next UN Security Council meeting on the Gaza crisis is also likely to break up for a second time without accord on a ceasefire resolution.
Sarkozy continues his whirlwind Middle East tour in Damascus and Beirut Tuesday.
How so? They're being manhandled right now, suffering quite a large blow with only 1 IDF combat casualty; and if this deal is real, it's pretty much being forced on them through IDF action on one side, and pressure from Egypt on the other; essentially they're being treated with disrespect and told to sit down, shut up, and how it's going to be, like the redheaded IQ challenged stepchildren that they are.
01-06-2009, 06:22 PM
01-06-2009, 06:24 PM
01-06-2009, 06:30 PM
01-06-2009, 06:32 PM
Bwaahaaaha, this is awesome! Hamas is showing their true colors (for those apologists who didn't get the memo that Hamas = evil):
You morons voted Hamas in, 80% of y'all, and now IT ****ING SUCKS, HUH???Report: Hamas stealing aid supplies to sell to residents
Grim picture of Gazans' lives painted by reports emerging from Strip, claiming gunmen hiding in civilian homes, using residents as human shields, and hijacking trucks of humanitarian aid
Published: 01.06.09, 22:32 / Israel News
A government or a gang? As the Israeli operation in Gaza wears on it appears Hamas has relinquished any visage of a socio-political party, abandoning its claim to govern the residents of Gaza in favor of engaging in open war at their expense.
Case In Point
IDF: Mortars fired from bombed school / Hanan Greenberg
While UN spokesman reports at least 30 casualties from attack near UNRWA school in Jabalya, army claims strike targeted terrorists firing mortar shells from structure moments earlier
A number of reports from the Strip paint a picture of very difficult humanitarian conditions, not least because of Hamas itself. The suspicion is that the group's operatives have seized control of any supplies passing through the crossings – including those sent by Israel and international organizations.
Reports say Hamas takes a cut out of all aid that arrives, including flour and medicine. Supplies intended to be distributed without gain among the population is seized by the group and sold to the residents, at a profit to the Hamas government.
One such incident was recorded Monday, when a convoy of trucks carrying supplies through the Kerem Shalom crossing was opened fire upon and seized by Hamas gunmen. Similar incidents occurred with trucks carrying fuel.
Forced to flee. Residents of Gaza (Photo: AP)
In other cases, civilians are simply used as cannon fodder or human shields. Reports out of Gaza say residents who attempted to flee their homes in the northern area of the Strip were forced to go back at gunpoint, by Hamas men.
The organization is presumably interested in increasing civilian casualties in order to give rise to international pressure against Israel. Arab media reported that in an IDF strike on a UN school 30 civilians were killed, but there is no legitimate way to prove gunmen were among those killed as Hamas tends to bury these bodies quickly, thus eliminating evidence in Israel's favor.
Other civilian complaints state that Hamas gunmen pull children along with them "by the ears" from place to place, fearing that if they don't have a child with them they will be fair game to the IDF. Others hide in civilian homes and stairwells, UNRWA ambulances, and mosques.
In other reported cases Hamas gunmen hold civilians hostage in alleyways in order to provide themselves with a living barricade to ward off IDF forces. Reports somewhat more difficult to verify say the group's men shot Fatah operatives in the feet to make sure the latter would not attempt a coup.
No one to turn to
These reports lead to the assumption that Hamas is attempting to exacerbate the atmosphere of a humanitarian crisis in the Strip, as this may promote an international ceasefire initiative. In any case the reports clearly show that the residents of Gaza have fallen prey to Hamas as well as the IDF.
Reports of alarming shortages are also forthcoming, as residents appear to lack water, flour, electricity, and any sign of a capable government. Chaos reigns as no one appears to know when electricity will be available, how to obtain water or food, or whom to address in order to evacuate the injured.
The "emergency numbers" given to residents have ceased to function, and citizens in need of assistance have only international organizations, the Red Crescent, and the hospitals themselves to turn to.
The Hamas leaders, aside from two addresses, have not been heard from. Their speeches were broadcast a number of times, but in any case many in the Strip can no longer access televisions, radios, or internet without electricity.
Despite this, no authoritative anti-Hamas sentiments have been heard from the Gazans. However Palestinian sources claim that grievances against the group are voiced in secret. The animosity towards Israel has not disappeared, say the sources, but it is now accompanied by bitterness towards the organization many are dubbing Iranian in its extremism.
This is really good; Hamas is being fully delegitimized, both by Israel, world politics, and their behavior toward their own constituents. This will be tough to recover from, for them, especially as things calm down, sink in, and horror stories come out.
God bless those truly innocent caught in the crossfire.
01-06-2009, 07:34 PM
01-06-2009, 07:47 PM
i mean it for palestinian consumption only. most weaterners understand hams' role in this; israel needs mustafa from gaza to understand this: hamas is evil, supporters of hamas will suffer andlose legitimacy, and it does not pay to **** with israel. whatever your greivance, choose a different path.
and i think it's on its way to that goal.
01-06-2009, 07:56 PM
01-07-2009, 11:06 AM
Looks like the US could be in the cross-hairs now. Zawahiri is pissed, making threats and blaming Obama for double-crossing al Qaeda. This whole situation is starting to look really ****ed up@!!@!
01-08-2009, 01:27 AM
01-08-2009, 01:51 AM
01-08-2009, 02:19 AM
I used to support israel. Now I say **** them.
If anyone has a clue about Zionism and the US. US has been Israel's little bitch for some time. We give them so much money for no reason and it makes pretty good sense that they do run all our banks.
So I say ****'em. I wish America was free and the world would open their eyes.
**** hamas too for being idiots and not pursuing peace in any other way.
01-08-2009, 08:32 AM
01-08-2009, 10:32 AM
my sincere opinion is that Israel wants mass extermination of palestinians. They attacked and kill those innocents children in UN school based on the dictum: it would be better in the future without 43 suicide bombers!
01-08-2009, 10:51 AM
Go back to your book.
01-08-2009, 10:54 AM
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Israel shells near UN school, killing at least 30
The Associated Press
January 7, 2009
GAZA CITY, Gaza - Israeli mortar shells exploded yesterday near a UN school in Gaza that was sheltering hundreds of people displaced by Israel's onslaught against Hamas militants, killing at least 30 Palestinians.
Israel's military said its shelling, the deadliest single episode since Israeli ground forces invaded Gaza on Saturday, was a response to mortar fire from within the school and said militants were using civilians as cover.
Two residents of the area who spoke by telephone said they saw a small group of militants firing mortar rounds from a street near the school, where 350 people had gathered to get away from the shelling. They spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal.
Majed Hamdan, an AP photographer, rushed to the scene shortly after the attacks. At the hospital, he said, many children were among the dead.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmXXUOs27lI&feature=ch annel_page"]YouTube - Mortar Bombs Shot from UN School in Gaza 29 Oct. 2007[/ame]
Do you really believe that the Palestinian would only have lost 600 in 11 days if Israel really wanted to kill them all? That troops would be on the ground, carefully going from house to house, instead of carpet-bombing the whole place? If that were the case, Israel could finish Gaza in a day flat, with 0 Israeli casualties. ( very much like the US could've done in Iraq, if it weren't for the fact we weren't there to 'kill em all').
01-08-2009, 10:55 AM
01-08-2009, 12:52 PM
The IDF does not want to engage Hamas in the Urban area to fight them man-to-man, because that will result in HUGE Israeli losses, instead they have chosen for a new tactic. They bomb the UN trucks that bring food to the people of Gaza, so they will starve to death.UN suspends aid deliveries to Gaza after truck driver killed
By AP, ELANA KIRSH AND JPOST.COM STAFF
Meanwhile, the United Nations on Thursday announced that it was halting all aid deliveries to the Strip, citing a series of Israeli attacks on UN staff and installations.
"The UN is suspending its aid operations in Gaza until we can get safety and security guarantees for our staff," spokesman Chris Gunness said. "We've been coordinating with them [Israeli forces] and yet our staff continue to be hit and killed."
The UN provides food aid to around 750,000 Gaza residents and runs dozens of schools and clinics throughout the territory. They have some 9,000 locally employed staffers inside Gaza, and a small team of international staffers who work there.
No propaganda, no lies, these are the facts.
What a bunch of criminals.
01-08-2009, 01:29 PM
The fact is that UN trucks got attacked and the driver was killed. That's the only verifiable fact. Try reading the story before you post it.
According foreign correspondents, the IDF attacked the truck.
According to a medic in the truck itself, it had come under Hamas sniper fire.
Your assertion brazenly ignore the FACT that Hamas has commandeered Humanitarian Aid packages and sold them to Palestinian civilians.
You assertion brazenly ignore the FACT that Israel has helped engineer humanitarian escort teams for the UN.
How can you call defending your country a crime? Moron.What a bunch of criminals.
01-08-2009, 01:37 PM
In 1967 and 1973 they were defending their country, but now they are bombing innocent civilians on a large scale. That's not defending your country, they are committing war crimes, they are bloodthirsty and they have no regard for the life of a non-jew whatsoever. But keep watching Fox News Channel, because you're clearly an expert on this matter.
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