Swiss approve prescription heroin
- 11-30-2008, 03:02 PM
Swiss approve prescription heroin
Swiss voters have backed a change in health policy that would provide prescription heroin to addicts.
Final results from the national referendum showed 68% of voters supported the plan.
BBC NEWS | Europe | Swiss approve prescription heroin
- 11-30-2008, 05:50 PM
Methadone is just as addictive as heroin, and the withdrawals are worse. Yet they pass that **** out to addicts here in the US
It just seems a bit odd to treat a heroin addiction with heroin. Doesn't this make them drug dealers?
- 11-30-2008, 06:33 PM
It might not help the health of the individual in the long term, but it's supposed to take care of the social problem of heroin addicts living on the streets, beating up old ladies to pay for their next hit.
Might even work for all I know.
11-30-2008, 07:06 PM
The US government deals more drugs a year than all the drugs dealers in the US combined, doesn't that make them....drug dealers?
People have the right to deal drugs just as much as the government does.
11-30-2008, 11:43 PM
12-01-2008, 01:22 AM
When I say right I mean natural right, not man made law given right.
If you dealt, consumed or purchased alcohol during prohibition, you were a criminal, now, you just work for Budweiser.
Before they decriminalized Marijuana in some places, you'd be a criminal if you ingested it, now you just like getting high after work.
You can buy pain killers from a pharmacy but you can't buy them from someone not "licensed"....that's like cutting down a tree, splitting it into firewood and saying only certain licensed people can sell firewood.
The only reason laws are passed is because they serve agendas or make money.
If "John" wanted to sell X drug, why can't he? what is the argument against that?
"Law is mind without reason" Aristotle.
12-01-2008, 01:37 PM
12-26-2008, 06:09 AM
01-25-2009, 02:59 AM
Making heroin readily available via prescription to drug addicts is just plain stupid, period.
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
01-25-2009, 05:42 PM
01-25-2009, 08:59 PM
The funny thing about any of this is that there are things that people use today to get high nowadays that are much more deadly than heroin and are probably under your sink or next to your computer. And if I'm not mistaken heroin was developed to combat morphine abuse, It's all death in the long run but as someone noted, people are going to get high and in 40 years the so called "War Against Drugs" in this country hasn't put much of a dent in demand or supply, remember "Just say No"? Somehow I think problem must be the same there. I would think the prescription angle is to give the Swiss government some control over that problem .
01-25-2009, 09:29 PM
I agree with you frank, for the love of god, "Just say, NO!" This country will NEVER win the war on drugs, but we can win any individual battle ourselves by just saying, NO!
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
01-26-2009, 08:56 AM
01-27-2009, 09:10 AM
http://www.naomistudy.ca/Heroin prescription 'cuts costs'
There are strong reasons to support the practice of prescribing heroin to drug misusers, researchers claim.
A University of Amsterdam team says the treatment is cost-effective, even though it is expensive.
The British Medical Journal study found the cost to health services was offset by savings linked to crime reduction.
03-16-2009, 04:20 AM
03-16-2009, 04:35 AM
U.S. needs to just hurry up and legalize it all and start taxing it. Its not like the goverments ever gonna stop drug use anyway. We'd make so much tax money, not to mention all the money saved in the jails by not having to waste the space and three squares a day on some fool with a petty drug beat.
03-16-2009, 06:20 AM
03-16-2009, 08:47 AM
Legalizing drugs now is just asking for a **** ton of trouble. Our society isn't as small as the Swiss and other smaller countries where this can work. people get what they want regardless of the laws and making it legal just means more people will be using since the only thing that stops a lot of people from doing so in the first place is the legality of it.
I'm for de-criminalization over making it legal. It would be opening the flood gates that could never be closed again. You saw how well alcohol was able to be taken away from the people once it was part of their society. People were less active over worse issues but take away their high and all hell breaks loose.
03-16-2009, 09:02 AM
03-17-2009, 03:14 AM
The vast majority of drug users are just like the vast majority of alcohol users...regular people, looking for a buzz. The legalization of drugs is an eventuallity. The goverment simply won't have resources to try and incarcerate offenders anymore.I'm for de-criminalization over making it legal. It would be opening the flood gates that could never be closed again. You saw how well alcohol was able to be taken away from the people once it was part of their society. People were less active over worse issues but take away their high and all hell breaks loose.
And contrary to what some of you might think, drug users actually want drugs to stay illegal. When the open market gets hold of drugs, they'll regulate them to the point where drugs will be expensive and lacking potency. Right now, drugs are strong, cheap, and widely available. Where I lived in the US liquor stores are closed on Sunday, but I bet I could find a dime bag in an hour.
People that are going to use drugs are going to use them anyway.
03-17-2009, 09:50 AM
What they should do is establish a mandatory death sentence for anyone convicted assault, any crimes against persons, or any felony while under the influence of drugs. It may not stop people from using drugs, but it will stop them from assaulting others to get their fix more than once.
03-17-2009, 09:57 PM
Many religious people use a similar argument when justifying morality. ie You need religion to be a moral person. I maintain, and have always maintained, and hopefully will always maintain, that we need nothing more for our existence than what the universe has already provided.
I said " they'll regulate them to the point where drugs will be expensive and lacking potency. Right now, drugs are strong, cheap, and widely available."So legal alchohol is more expensive or less potent than illegal alchohol? are you seriously that dense? don't you know what the markup is in the chain of drug dealing? there isn't that high of a markup from raw materials to end user in any other product.
Is that hard for you to understand?
Last edited by lutherblsstt; 03-17-2009 at 09:57 PM. Reason: add
03-17-2009, 10:06 PM
Your argument holds no water. Yes, with laws lifted people would commit more of the actions that were previously illegal. Including murder. People being afraid of consequence is what keeps them from commiting a certain action. You can easily see that in how parents teach and keep their children in line.
Equally as wrong is your notion that drug users want drugs illegal because they would get their drugs cheaper and more potent without gov't regulation. People getting drugs illegally would still do the same if the new legal drugs were too expensive or weak. I'm going to bet medicinal grade pot is more potent than vyour average street dealer.
03-17-2009, 11:02 PM
written by this guy:
YouTube - Michael Shermer on The Science of Good and Evil
What would you do if there were no Law? Would you commit robbery, rape, and murder,etc. or would you continue to be a good and moral person?
If the answer is that you would soon turn to robbery, rape, or murder, then this is a moral indictment of your character, indicating that you are not to be trusted.
If the answer is that you would continue being good and moral, then apparently you can be good without Laws. This applies to anyone.
Cocaine cheaper than lager and wine as drug price falls by halfEqually as wrong is your notion that drug users want drugs illegal because they would get their drugs cheaper and more potent without gov't regulation.
03-18-2009, 01:30 AM
03-18-2009, 04:02 AM
Because a lot of criminals commit crimes and the crimes are so widespread, we should give in and legalize. Great logistics there guys.
"This is hard! We should give up."
The last thing the American public needs is legal drugs.
03-18-2009, 04:40 AM
great points in this piece:
"The war on drugs has become a war on families, a war on public health and a war on our constitutional rights.
Many of the problems the drug war purports to resolve are in fact caused by the drug war itself. So-called “drug-related” crime is a direct result of drug prohibition's distortion of immutable laws of supply and demand.
Public health problems like HIV and Hepatitis C are all exacerbated by zero tolerance laws that restrict access to clean needles. The drug war is not the promoter of family values that some would have us believe. Children of inmates are at risk of educational failure, joblessness, addiction and delinquency. Drug abuse is bad, but the drug war is worse.
The United States is now the world's largest jailer, imprisoning nearly half a million people for drug offenses alone. That's more people than Western Europe, with a bigger population, incarcerates for all offenses.
Roughly 1.5 million people are arrested each year for drug law violations - 40% of them just for marijuana possession. People suffering from cancer and other debilitating illnesses are regularly denied access to their medicine or even arrested and prosecuted for using medical marijuana. "
03-18-2009, 05:50 AM
Gotta hand it to luther....Dude is under fire and keeps pumping out intelligent points. I dont know what the solution is personally, but this dude is holding his own against a few people. Gotta give it to him
03-18-2009, 08:28 AM
By his logic, we should stop bothering to try and find a cure for any cancer (or even treat cancer) as its rarely successful that we save someone, and so we should just keep them pumped on morphine till they die.
03-18-2009, 02:13 PM
You provided a part of a book that states that if you are good you won't do these things and if you are bad then you will... Sort of states the obvious.
When you lock your doors you're just keeping the honest man, honest. If someone wants your stuff they're going to take it regardless of what's in front of them. The point is to keep from adding to those people that are trying to take it. It's against the law to murder someone and you better believe if it became legal that there would be a lot more murder and each person would justify to themselves why it was a legit killing. Society would start moving in the direction the lack of a law allows.
In every law that has been eased or lifted you will find those trying their best to push those limits even further. If you lifted murder as a crime it would be outragious to commit even though it would be legal until people were used to seeing it happen and it was no longer a shock.
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